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    hello, it's me
    i've come to bring the answer to the age-old question and probably hit the save post button too early for like the third time in a row
    the question that has plagued scientists for generations
    what are relationship points good for, anyway?

     

    ...well like look, maybe this is self-imposed pressure, but i feel like for the focus some of the community puts on relationship points, nothing i can practically do will live up to expectations. i mean, i'm probably just overthinking it, but then, you're probably just overthinking it. these are entirely invisible points that have existed for five years now and done not-a-goddamn-thing in the current version except alter like two lines of dialogue where i remembered to use them. i said explicitly when i added them, i didnt even know if i would use them, but i just kind of put them there for the option later
    ah, but knowing they're there, knowing they could be used...
    this gives you anxiety, doesn't it?
    yes, that's okay. i'm the same way.
    well, it's finally time to alleviate that anxiety so you can properly evaluate how much you care.

     

    previously, we've announced that relationship points will be used for available partners in the Nightclub's Mix and Match. however, i know that 100% of my readers on this dev blog absolutely have both read every previous post we've made, and also memorized each detail of them perfectly, so i will not insult your flawless memory by recapping the details of that. i know, even linking the post for your supposed convenience borders on a slight against your character, and i do hope you would forgive my poor manners.

     

    but that is, how you say, an aside, to the main thing relationship points will be used for

    that is,

     

    Character Epilogues

     

    almost every surviving character with relationship points has their own special scene with the player during the ending sequence to generally wrap up their character arc, offer some extra backstory, or just, like, bro out with the player. 

    these are already finished in game btw

     

    okay, so let's get some caveats out of the way:

    • they're just single few-minute cutscenes, i hope people will find them cute. sometimes areas change a little based on endings, but that's it, don't expect too much.
    • due to Reasons ™️ , they will not play during the ending sequence of the main game-- it's during the ending sequence of postgame specifically. i realize, that's a lot more playtime to work around and see who's endings you'll get, but that's the way the cookie crumbles. i think it'll be worth playing postgame anyway though.
    • they are not explicitly romantic. please do not expect them to be romantic. if you expect them to be romantic you will be disappointed in them and i will be disappointed in you. you're entitled to your headcanons but those are your business, not the game's. 

     

    now some other details to pre-empt questions:

    • the thresholds vary from character to character. it might take a +6 on one person and +8 on another. i'm making these numbers up btw don't panic. 
    • thresholds for character epilogues will generally be higher than for mix and match. so if you don't get them in mix and match, you definitely won't get their ending.
    • also, just saying, characters are not relative to each other. so like, +4 on fern and -2 on shelly (god forbid) doesn't mean that fern likes you more than shelly does; it means that fern likes you four points more than he otherwise would, and shelly likes you two points less than she otherwise could... but like let's be real, shelly still likes you more than he does.
    • a fair number of points have been added in e19. i plan to use a switch to soften the thresholds for older save files, but that's probably going to make old files somewhat wonky compared to new ones. whatever happens happens.
    • if your file predates e16 when points were added (iirc?) then you're up a creek without a paddle i'm sorry there is no saving you, at least as far as character epilogues go
    • no characters' epilogues are designed to be exclusive with each other. however, idk if, because of where points are in the game and which ones require trade-off choices etc, that makes it impossible to get every combination at once. personally i would rather that not be possible, otherwise there's an optimal way to play, and we don't like that. but again, que sera sera.

     

    i can take other questions and maybe edit this if there's common ones, but i won't be answering questions about specific thresholds or which characters have endings. 

     

    ok i think that's all for now. 
    development is still on track for our previous estimation. i think. 

    stay cool, kids
    we made it through another year-- both in terms of waiting for release, and waiting out our respective global crises.
    been a warm winter here so far. haven't seen a speck of snow yet...
    speaking of, since we're all just waiting around anyway, maybe consider dropping by our annual winter party?
    idk i just think it would be neat if you did.
    even if you just lurk, maybe you could try not lurking on that day! it's a great day for it. 
    ok bye

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    they are not explicitly romantic.

    RIP all the Cain shippers lol

    Awesome to see how the points are gonna affect the game. Ever since I found out about them I've tried to maximize them as much as I can, even though they didn't do all that much.

     

    Also, you mention the previous estimate, what would that be again? (I know, "a slight against my character" but I can't quite recall if there was a more concrete estimate or just like "eventually-ish")

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    and probably hit the save post button too early for like the third time in a row

    also ame as someone who can see when this happens have you considered like, writing in a word doc and then copy pasting it into the forum editor?

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    57 minutes ago, Yeshua_Kristos said:

    If Reborn was a written fanfiction, I would leave kudos here just for this announcement. As it stands, I must have left kudos here at least a hundred times. <3

    I mean, when you think about it, every Pokemon fangame is a form of playable fanfiction.

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    Honestly that would be a nice touch to my heart seeing these cute and nice cutscenes with characters you like. Makes me both excited and happy for E19, but bittersweet because I'll never get the chance with my boi Taka. Damm you Reshiram Route, but I had no other choice *sad Evi noises*. 

     

    Also rip for all Taka shippers, include me, but I respect your choice for that.

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    they are not explicitly romantic.

    I actually like this! It makes for a more 'real' scenario instead of forced romanticism (with characters you might not necessarily relate with).

     

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    personally i would rather [all epilogues able to be unlocked] not be possible, otherwise there's an optimal way to play, and we don't like that. but again, que sera sera.

    I get the idea behind this. The 'optimal' route might trigger players to make choices they would otherwise not make because then they'd not have a certain bonus dialogue at the end. However, I think (or rather, hope, ) that most players playing Reborn will make choices based on their true feelings. That's how I play at least, feels more immersive :)

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    And there go our hopes that a character having points means they won't die.

     

    Still, sounds great, though it will be funky to try to get people like Blake to like you to see their scene(or just use YT, thank you Dai Laughing).

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    11 hours ago, Dreamy said:

    also ame as someone who can see when this happens have you considered like, writing in a word doc and then copy pasting it into the forum editor?

     

    no

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    9 hours ago, SgtNoobly said:

    If we fail to get the points during the story will there be an option in the postgame? This would also help players with older save files too. 
     

     

    I don't think a workaround would be possible/would require too much effort. I already consider my longest, ''main'' save file (going back to E14 or E13 I think?) written off.

     

    Whatever, it is so long, I have 0 feelings towards that team and char and dont remember the choices anyway

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    13 hours ago, Rendolf said:

    RIP all the Cain shippers lol

    Awesome to see how the points are gonna affect the game. Ever since I found out about them I've tried to maximize them as much as I can, even though they didn't do all that much.

     

    Also, you mention the previous estimate, what would that be again? (I know, "a slight against my character" but I can't quite recall if there was a more concrete estimate or just like "eventually-ish")

     

    I KNOW RIIIIIGHT?! When I read that o thought: "Ah come on! No MC x Cain ship? Damn it!

     

    When I've seen the relationship points I knew they would be great at some point, and now you say there will be epilogues related to how we have them? Thats why this game is so amazing and has everything to be a masterpiece.

     

    I can't highlight how important this phrase is: ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN!

     

    PS: Another important thing: F*CK YOU FERN!

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    almost every surviving character with relationship points has their own special scene with the player

    Noooooo!! This specific wording...! 

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    I'll hold onto hope! I won't give up! Taka can still be brought back! (Right...?... Maybe...?... Does the player get a wish from Arceus...?... I'll also take ghost Taka if that's an option...! ) 

    If he stays dead, I'm gonna feel so broken.... he was such a good character... 

     

    But seriously, I'm looking forward to the small endings with all these characters. Especially Cain and Victoria, since you can get quite a number of points with them. 

    And postgame! It all sounds so amazing! *______________*

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    52 minutes ago, Vulnona said:

    Noooooo!! This specific wording...! 

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    I'll hold onto hope! I won't give up! Taka can still be brought back! (Right...?... Maybe...?... Does the player get a wish from Arceus...?... I'll also take ghost Taka if that's an option...! ) 

    If he stays dead, I'm gonna feel so broken.... he was such a good character... 

     

    But seriously, I'm looking forward to the small endings with all these characters. Especially Cain and Victoria, since you can get quite a number of points with them. 

    And postgame! It all sounds so amazing! *______________*

    I mean he has the points, what good is it gonna do if he's dead..unless shade possesses him which idk how to feel about lol..

     

    I'm so glad relationship points are finally being addressed, it basically confirmed everything I was thinking about them before so I'm glad it's how they're going to be used ~~now we wait for the relationship point guide after release 😈~~

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    no characters' epilogues are designed to be exclusive with each other. however, idk if, because of where points are in the game and which ones require trade-off choices etc, that makes it impossible to get every combination at once. personally i would rather that not be possible, otherwise there's an optimal way to play, and we don't like that. but again, que sera sera.

     

    As a min/maxer with every possible OCD that comes along, not having an optimal way to play scares me. I might spend 10 hours every time to still not be able to choose which character to favorise.

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    You really think i won't try to complete the game at 100%.
    Mouahaha, i already have 2 complete run so far (in terms of story), and i already plan a third run named 100% unbelievable complete perfect run... of Chaos 😈 so...
    JOKES ON YOU!!! MOUAHAHA!!! 
    (plz tell me i will be able to do it 😨)

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    >Character Epilogues

    >Almost every surviving character with relationship points has their own special scene with the player

    >Almost every surviving character

    >surviving character

    *Crying* SHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!
     

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    So like I have nothing funny or clever to comment

    But I wanted to say that the mood in these posts always put a grin on my face, as does Reborn

    (more so when you google-translated whatever happens happens to spanish for no discernible reason)

    Keep it up, champ

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    Question: will I be able to increase my relationship points with some characiare before whenever these cutscenes play on an already e18 completed save?

    I ask this because I last I checked I had quite low points with a few characters I liked and 7 with Fern(Arceus help me) 

    Sorry if it didn't make any sense jfhejfkskd

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    20 hours ago, GuillerXD said:

    >Character Epilogues

    >Almost every surviving character with relationship points has their own special scene with the player

    >Almost every surviving character

    >surviving character

    *Crying* SHE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!
     

     

    Yeah I hear you, man. I'm still angry at her for what she did to Kiki (my medicham is a tribute to her)

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    I can understand the lack of any romantic endings whatsoever, as I recall that Reborn was based on an old roleplay with the characters from it played by those involved/once involved with the game itself. For example, as much as I like Amaria and want her to be able to find some sort of happiness somehow, it feels icky and real-person-fic-ish to have anything beyond friendship with a character that once represented an RP player.

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    if your file predates e16 when points were added (iirc?) then you're up a creek without a paddle i'm sorry there is no saving you, at least as far as character epilogues go

     

    7 years of a savefile, 586hrs of playtime , all in the void with Luna

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    Looks at V12 file and sighs. Here we go again.

     

    Which I guess isn't a bad thing, it's been a while since I played the whole thing and could probably use a refresher on the early game plot, haha. Thanks for giving us a heads up, at least!

     

    On 12/6/2021 at 7:43 PM, ThiroSmash said:

    So like I have nothing funny or clever to comment

    But I wanted to say that the mood in these posts always put a grin on my face, as does Reborn

    (more so when you google-translated whatever happens happens to spanish for no discernible reason)

    Keep it up, champ

     

    > no discernable reason

     

    I mean, it's a common quote in English and has an entire ass song, so......

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    On 12/5/2021 at 5:32 AM, RoySolare said:

    That’s great. But when it’s about Reshiram route, any fans of Taka will feel bad for the outcome. I feel sorry for them.

    I mean, that assumes Taka survives on either route through postgame. If you're on the Zekrom route - there's still another chapter and a postgame Taka has to get through. I won't be shocked if Zekrom Route Taka survives, but I suspect that in the end, the death tolls will be balanced on both routes. (I could absolutely be wrong, and a "Taka Lives" ending would be great! I'm just speculating aimlessly.)

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    Guys, plz enlighten a noob such as myself: ive played the game all the way to ep 18 2019 i think and there are some few things i kinda forgot, one of them being the Taka routes.

     

    What are their differences anyway?

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    16 minutes ago, Krellian said:

    What are their differences anyway?

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    the split happens at the water plant when you decide whether to fight taka or not. fight him, zekrom route. don't, reshiram route. zekrom route taka doesn't come with the player to tourmaline, so he isn't killed (and iirc makes an appearance in agate in e18). reshiram route taka follows the player to tourmaline, and into the never after, where lin tricks titania into killing him. he also shows up briefly in the void in that route. not sure if he does in the zekrom route

     

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    16 hours ago, earthprisonpanopticon said:
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    the split happens at the water plant when you decide whether to fight taka or not. fight him, zekrom route. don't, reshiram route. zekrom route taka doesn't come with the player to tourmaline, so he isn't killed (and iirc makes an appearance in agate in e18). reshiram route taka follows the player to tourmaline, and into the never after, where lin tricks titania into killing him. he also shows up briefly in the void in that route. not sure if he does in the zekrom route

     

    ah, those

    i think ive taken Zekrom route (lol) but now im not sure anymore.
    Anyway, lets wait for ep 19 and will see it again

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