Theory Crafting Thread

[Bluedude 2]

So did anyone else notice that Madame X kind of knows Amber? In the bad future when amber gets angry and leaves the room Madame X says something like on how she haven’t changed a bit.

[iiiiitamar 1]

On 5/12/2020 at 8:11 PM, Gronzak said:

So.. i was replaying the game and i'm at Blacksteepe castle when something strikes me down
first of all, yeah, MC "mom" (Nancy) is in fact an android, as she herself tells she "wasn't made the same way like the others"
second, Nastassia may trust madame X blindly because madame X may be related to Maria
Madame X wants to destroy Yvetal (that we can asume, is Indriad or closely related), and Chaos Energy might be the key to do so. "Madame X" body is like Ren's body, it's artificial (as we saw in amethist cave that a machine is producing the bodies)
And at last, what if team Xen's name is from Xerneas, as they are opposed to Yveltal?

I am replaying the game as well. Right now I'm in Aquamarine cave and Saki says that a girl with red hair was helping her find the way out and than they get to Aquamarine chamber, she tells saki to remember the name Freya and she leaves her there. This has to give a hint to Saki's new appearens.

[Display name 58]

More of a question is it possible for the Interceptor to use Garufan magic 

[iiiiitamar 1]

7 hours ago, Display name said:

More of a question is it possible for the Interceptor to use Garufan magic 

Probably. We never get the chance to try (I think), but there is a possibility that we can.

 

20 hours ago, Bluedude said:

So did anyone else notice that Madame X kind of knows Amber? In the bad future when amber gets angry and leaves the room Madame X says something like on how she haven’t changed a bit.

My theory is that Tesla is Madame X because you never see them in the same place at the same time (not including the alternative timeline), and Tesla says that she grew without parents like Madame X.

[Gronzak 3]

so, as always, replaying the game i came up with a little something. We saw Huey and Rune in Teila resort.
But, a while before that (in the cave where we found her) Saki tells us that a red haired girl guided she there, and that after a change of outfit she tells her to remember the name "Freya" (she didn't remember the exact name, but we all know it was that). So.. may be add Rune to the list of or "freya suspects" and supose that, Rune dissaparition and Freya appearing in GDC entrace and in the pyramid are related? I don't remember if huey have faced freya as to have a chance to recognize her if she was Rune, but we can remember that Freya wears almost a mask

[Karl Rickhurst 0]

On 5/14/2020 at 7:00 PM, iiiiitamar said:

Probably. We never get the chance to try (I think), but there is a possibility that we can.

 

My theory is that Tesla is Madame X because you never see them in the same place at the same time (not including the alternative timeline), and Tesla says that she grew without parents like Madame X.

Another point that suggests this is Tesla knowing that the SS Oceania was attacked almost immediately

[Tikkit 31]

I don't think that's a good point. It's like, we also never see Anabel in the same room as Madame X, but they're not the same person.

[Delta3416 5]

Thought of two random-ish things:

(1) what if Erick is connected to the Timesurfers in some manner?

 

His hair sort of looks like Freya’s hair. Also, we know that he became the leader after both Saki and Volta gave up their positions, and that Saki’s disappearance is connected to Freya. There’s not much, but it could relate to something. The way he talks is also similar to Kieran.

 

Specifically, we could be dealing with part of the plan stated by Robot Amanda. After all that scene took place in West Gearen where Erick is currently leader.

 

(2) I think the title of Chapter 14 is HIGHLY significant. ‘Death of One, Birth of Another’. This has been explained in part by the devs. Death of one refers to the fall of Bladestar. So it strongly implies there will be another evil team.

I think it is likely Madame X may not be our #1 opposing force... I think the name Celine is relevant still to that fact.

[iiiiitamar 1]

6 hours ago, Tikkit said:

I don't think that's a good point. It's like, we also never see Anabel in the same room as Madame X, but they're not the same person.

But there are other reasons why, such as: both of them growing up without parents, madame X knowing that Madalis kidnapped Amber...

[Crystalrage 74]

1 hour ago, iiiiitamar said:

But there are other reasons why, such as: both of them growing up without parents, madame X knowing that Madalis kidnapped Amber...

Madame X was also furious when mandelis kidnapped amber.

But I want to keep this theory out of my mind. Tesla's like a mother like figure to the MC and crew

[Display name 58]

2 hours ago, iiiiitamar said:

But there are other reasons why, such as: both of them growing up without parents, madame X knowing that Madalis kidnapped Amber...

No Madame X states that her mother sacrificed herself so that Madame X could live. Tesla says that she never knew her parents at all

[Mindlack 121]

9 hours ago, Crystalrage said:

Madame X was also furious when mandelis kidnapped amber.

But I want to keep this theory out of my mind. Tesla's like a mother like figure to the MC and crew

Unconditional support for the second line. The first line is a bit less clear to me: she was, but it was because it was a dumb plan executed idiotically that, moreover, endangered the main plan (Geara and Zetta trading Nim for Melia atop Valor Mountain). 

 

11 hours ago, Delta3416 said:

Thought of two random-ish things:

(1) what if Erick is connected to the Timesurfers in some manner?

 

His hair sort of looks like Freya’s hair. Also, we know that he became the leader after both Saki and Volta gave up their positions, and that Saki’s disappearance is connected to Freya. There’s not much, but it could relate to something. The way he talks is also similar to Kieran.

 

Specifically, we could be dealing with part of the plan stated by Robot Amanda. After all that scene took place in West Gearen where Erick is currently leader.

 

(2) I think the title of Chapter 14 is HIGHLY significant. ‘Death of One, Birth of Another’. This has been explained in part by the devs. Death of one refers to the fall of Bladestar. So it strongly implies there will be another evil team.

I think it is likely Madame X may not be our #1 opposing force... I think the name Celine is relevant still to that fact.

(1) I don't know, you're only paranoid if you're wrong. I'm not too sure about talking styles, and Erick is still a third choice for a Leader so I don't think he holds too much sway over West Gearen (it's supposed to be Blakeory territory iirc). 

 

(2) Perhaps. And we already have a new (or perhaps not, who knows) evil group coming to light (Robot Amanda), and two incoming threats: Isha's "baby" rising, and the Xenpurgis. Also, we do know a few things about Celine -- spoilers for a sidequest

Spoiler

Celine was a leading figure of the Sashila group, weakened after some fight on a mountain and then gone after the attack on Alamissa. Alexandra, Ryland, Damien, Adam, Karen and her parents... she's talked to them all, and (Karen observes) they changed radically and trained to fight, because else "everything may fall to pieces" and "this world may be lost forever". And apparently she couldn't write what it was all about (but she understood everything, she said). 

 

[Michael_ 162]

15 hours ago, Delta3416 said:

Thought of two random-ish things:

(1) what if Erick is connected to the Timesurfers in some manner?

 

His hair sort of looks like Freya’s hair. Also, we know that he became the leader after both Saki and Volta gave up their positions, and that Saki’s disappearance is connected to Freya. There’s not much, but it could relate to something. The way he talks is also similar to Kieran.

 

Specifically, we could be dealing with part of the plan stated by Robot Amanda. After all that scene took place in West Gearen where Erick is currently leader.

 

(2) I think the title of Chapter 14 is HIGHLY significant. ‘Death of One, Birth of Another’. This has been explained in part by the devs. Death of one refers to the fall of Bladestar. So it strongly implies there will be another evil team.

I think it is likely Madame X may not be our #1 opposing force... I think the name Celine is relevant still to that fact.

I always just thought Erick's hair was a reference to Sonic. Who knows though.

 

On 5/10/2020 at 12:38 PM, iiiiitamar said:

I was replaying the game and saw that keran lives in a place called Alvavors ruins. I wonder what will happen there, where it is.

 

Does someone know how "the zorua, the pangoro and the golden apple" story is realated to the story?

Going back to this, there are Zorua, Pangoro and a Golden Apple statue in the Garufan Ruins underneath Carotos mountain. So it seems to be related to them in some way.

[Crystalrage 74]

8 hours ago, Michael_ said:

I always just thought Erick's hair was a reference to Sonic. Who knows though.

 

Going back to this, there are Zorua, Pangoro and a Golden Apple statue in the Garufan Ruins underneath Carotos mountain. So it seems to be related to them in some way.

That Zorua and Pangoro story could be related the MC and crew

[Wolf5002 2]

I don't if this fits in the thread, but I thought this was an interesting thing I found.

I wonder who is the girl, who is quoted to be very stylish, with Irvin?

Edit: Nevermind, it's probably Cresent. I think.

Edited May 19 by Wolf5002

[Wolf5002 2]

Actually, now that think about the picture I sent, I thought of a question. What if Crescent was recruited by Spacia and Tiempa when she was a child?

[Wolf5002 2]

This is from Kanon's diary. I wonder who is the ''lady in the red'' ?

[vivaCH 2]

It's clearly Madame X, as it is stated just a few lines before that she is wearing a full suit of armor.

[Crystalrage 74]

3 hours ago, Wolf5002 said:

This is from Kanon's diary. I wonder who is the ''lady in the red'' ?

Did anyone notice that book on the top left side?

[Mindlack 121]

Just a random fact that I don't think anyone has pointed out in this thread yet (but I can't be the only one to wonder).

Remember, we have rather solid evidence that Comet, Cosmia and Nim, under Crescent's orders, are conspiring to turn people to stone. The note that lured Talon to his (?) doom was in a red envelope.

Yet, another streak of red envelopes appears in the lore: (spoilers WLL)

Spoiler

"A formal man" sends them to Kenneth in order to blackmail him into killing the Maiden of Rejuvenation.

Indriad is a likely suspect, although I think that someone gives a description for the Wispy Tower pyromaniac that fits Crescent.

 

So it suggests at least a circumstance alliance.

This is somewhat confirmed by the two phenomena that seem to turn people to stone: Nim and the calamity, which we know is a watered-down version of "Indriad's gift". Remember also that the calamity is heralded by brutal (and apparently random) weather changes, which is what happens to Nim when she loses control of her emotions. This hints as a deeper similarity between the events, and a closer bond between Crescent and Indriad. Or perhaps she intends to destroy him with his own weapons?

This raises several issues:

Crescent does not really act as an antagonist -- her most hostile action is her going out of her way to withhold information from us. And she wants us to smile, which is, well... not really villanous. Or she could be a smart Big Bad capable at least to feign some form of empathy, which is at least a useful way to deter questions.

She imprisons Jenner and Zetta once, without bothering to go after them when they break out until we die. She may still be working for the Stormchasers at that point, and so she works towards Jenner's planned elimination. But the keystone of that plot is clearly Geara, and he doesn't interact at all with Crescent until Mt. Valor, so that's dubious. So perhaps instead Crescent is trying to derail that plan, as she's becoming rogue?

 

 

[Display name 58]

This is just me trying to see all possible canidates are for being madame x 

 

So is Cosmia a possibility

Edited May 20 by Display name

[Dausk 5]

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Did anyone notice that book on the top left side?

@Crystalrage Just checked in RPG Maker, the book has nothing in it. Perhaps they forgot to remove it or maybe it will be used for something later (or they just needed to something to add to the room).

Edited May 20 by Dausk

[Node15 33]

52 minutes ago, Display name said:

This is just me trying to see all possible canidates are for being madame x 

 

So is Cosmia a possibility

Honestly as for the identity of Madame X the biggest problem I see Cosmia is that Comet (her brother) just doesn't fit into this to well and it feels weird that she'd be with her brother at this moment but if she was Madame X we'd expect Comet to tag along in some way. Also when Cosmia spots you in the theater her reaction is just shock but nothing else which is a reaction I'd feel that Madame X just wouldn't have.  Although Madame X's identity is still pretty up for debate although my theory is that she might be related to Lord Xenadin the original leader of Team Xen in some way maybe being a daughter it might also explain why Freya seems to be with Madame X considering that Freya and Lord Xenadin helped set off the nuclear meltdown so Freya might be obliged to help Madame X due to her connections to Lord Xenadin and I guess if you want this gives us a reason Kieran also is with Madame X cause he could be one of the other eight people who caused the meltdown..

[enderowl 39]

12 hours ago, Wolf5002 said:

I don't if this fits in the thread, but I thought this was an interesting thing I found.

I wonder who is the girl, who is quoted to be very stylish, with Irvin?

Edit: Nevermind, it's probably Cresent. I think.

Actually, I think that girl is his daughter in the picture. Because there is an NPC outside of the house saying that Irvin had a daughter who was from Kalos.

[Wolf5002 2]

12 hours ago, Crystalrage said:

Did anyone notice that book on the top left side?

I always noticed it, but I think it was placed there to troll us.