Theory Crafting Thread

[Wolf5002 2]

4 hours ago, enderowl said:

Actually, I think that girl is his daughter in the picture. Because there is an NPC outside of the house saying that Irvin had a daughter who was from Kalos.

[Wolf5002 2]

4 hours ago, enderowl said:

Actually, I think that girl is his daughter in the picture. Because there is an NPC outside of the house saying that Irvin had a daughter who was from Kalos.

Looks like Team Xen killed her used her designs to make the Xen uniforms. If this is the first Team Xen when Lord Xenadin was alive or the new one lead by Madame X, why would they kill her for just some clothes? It also begs the question, which Team Xen was it? It can't the first one, because they all died back in the Mierra region, it can be the new one, but how old was Madame X when the power plant back in the Mierra region exploded and how old was she before Storm-9 happened? Did Team Xen attack the girl, because Irvin was part of the Storm Chasers? 

[Edo 153]

9 minutes ago, Wolf5002 said:

Looks like Team Xen killed her used her designs to make the Xen uniforms. If this is the first Team Xen when Lord Xenadin was alive or the new one lead by Madame X, why would they kill her for just some clothes? It also begs the question, which Team Xen was it? It can't the first one, because they all died back in the Mierra region, it can be the new one, but how old was Madame X when the power plant back in the Mierra region exploded and how old was she before Storm-9 happened? Did Team Xen attack the girl, because Irvin was part of the Storm Chasers? 

Lol you misunderstood the sentence in such a funny way.   They didn't kill her for clothes. The NPC just says that Team Xen puts a 'X' as decoration on their Team's uniforms.

As for which Team Xen killed her, as long as we don't get more specific infos we can't really tell. Irvin is pretty old already, so both are possible. And since Madame X can time travel her age might not be relevant.

[Magus543 121]

V13 has Madam X being sued for copyright infringement.

 

 

[TheHellHamster 9]

1 hour ago, Wolf5002 said:

Looks like Team Xen killed her used her designs to make the Xen uniforms. If this is the first Team Xen when Lord Xenadin was alive or the new one lead by Madame X, why would they kill her for just some clothes? It also begs the question, which Team Xen was it? It can't the first one, because they all died back in the Mierra region, it can be the new one, but how old was Madame X when the power plant back in the Mierra region exploded and how old was she before Storm-9 happened? Did Team Xen attack the girl, because Irvin was part of the Storm Chasers? 

Correct me if I'm wrong but deosn't Madelis say during WLL that new Xen was formed a few months before Kenneth joined? Also considering how people in the past know about Miera, the way the stormchasers recruit people and how old Irvin seems to be it deosn't seem implausible to think that Irvin's daughter died in Miera before he evacuated and/or was recruited. Maybe they used his daughter's death as his motive to get him to join?

[Wolf5002 2]

22 hours ago, Magus543 said:

V13 has Madam X being sued for copyright infringement.

 

 

I just had a funny thought, that when we have the final showdown with Madame X in the final game, the fashion police show up and arrest Madame X for killing a person for some clothes.

[Magus543 121]

The fashion police should really do something about Madam X's outfit. 

[Mindlack 121]

2 hours ago, Magus543 said:

The fashion police should really do something about Madam X's outfit. 

I'd suggest marketing it as a revolution in protective gear -- both stylish (for some definition of "style" at least) and inconspicuous (there's no way anyone saw the character art and thought "oh, she's wearing armor").

[Magus543 121]

Her dialogue implies her armor limits her somehow like Darth Vader if she's defeated on top of the Pyramid.

 

Like it's part of my personal guess that Madam X is a brainwashed Nymiera, is on life support, and is a patsy for Indriad.

[Crystalrage 74]

6 hours ago, Magus543 said:

Her dialogue implies her armor limits her somehow like Darth Vader if she's defeated on top of the Pyramid.

 

Like it's part of my personal guess that Madam X is a brainwashed Nymiera, is on life support, and is a patsy for Indriad.

I guess her character was inspired from Vader. I mean with that sword and coldness

[Magus543 121]

9 minutes ago, Crystalrage said:

I guess her character was inspired from Vader. I mean with that sword and coldness

Vader has inspired a lot of villains, and he himself was inspired from many sources like Dr. Doom from Marvel. 

 

The more i look at Madam X's character, the more i get the feeling of a pawn, like she's actually defeated a lot, she's outwitted by Melia and electrocuted, she's forced to save us at Kugearen, the Surfers are clearly playing her like a cheap fiddle, and she's outsmarted by a child with a trap door. Not to mention, she apologizes to a " father " if she's defeated in Blacksteeple. Vader was ultimately the attack dog of Palpatine, and with this in mind, it's easy to see Madam X despite her position of authority as a patsy for someone else. 

 

 

 

Another reason why i think she's Nymieria is because of her reaction to the painting, and that Nymiera mentioned we would meet again when the black obelisk rises, now of course that could refer to the structure that rose when we returned to the present, but the fact that we first meet Madam X in Blacksteeple is interesting. Sure a castle isn't an obelisk but it can be flexible from a certain point of view. 

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2 hours ago, Magus543 said:

Vader has inspired a lot of villains, and he himself was inspired from many sources like Dr. Doom from Marvel. 

 

The more i look at Madam X's character, the more i get the feeling of a pawn, like she's actually defeated a lot, she's outwitted by Melia and electrocuted, she's forced to save us at Kugearen, the Surfers are clearly playing her like a cheap fiddle, and she's outsmarted by a child with a trap door. Not to mention, she apologizes to a " father " if she's defeated in Blacksteeple. Vader was ultimately the attack dog of Palpatine, and with this in mind, it's easy to see Madam X despite her position of authority as a patsy for someone else. 

 

 

 

Another reason why i think she's Nymieria is because of her reaction to the painting, and that Nymiera mentioned we would meet again when the black obelisk rises, now of course that could refer to the structure that rose when we returned to the present, but the fact that we first meet Madam X in Blacksteeple is interesting. Sure a castle isn't an obelisk but it can be flexible from a certain point of view. 

This would explain why she paused when the Valerie in the twisted time line asks her who is stronger then her.

 

The Nymiera being madame X thing sounds like it could be correct, but Nymiera is said to be godlike so it wouldn't make sense if a god would be hypnotized.

 

I think that Nymiera is related to the Miera region because of her name.

[Magus543 121]

15 minutes ago, iiiiitamar said:

This would explain why she paused when the Valerie in the twisted time line asks her who is stronger then her.

 

The Nymiera being madame X thing sounds like it could be correct, but Nymiera is said to be godlike so it wouldn't make sense if a god would be hypnotized.

 

I think that Nymiera is related to the Miera region because of her name.

Aaah but you forget, Indriad is pretty powerful himself, i'm guessing he's behind Nymiera's potential corruption, as he was with Anju. 

 

 

 

I think Nymiera and Miera is just a coincidence though, like Geara has no relation to Gearen city for example. But who knows? 

[TheVentusX 23]

12 hours ago, iiiiitamar said:

This would explain why she paused when the Valerie in the twisted time line asks her who is stronger then her.

 

The Nymiera being madame X thing sounds like it could be correct, but Nymiera is said to be godlike so it wouldn't make sense if a god would be hypnotized.

 

I think that Nymiera is related to the Miera region because of her name.

One Question: When was Madame X hypnotized? Do you mean the events of Blacksteeple Castel? There she was paralyzed and it would be still plausible, even if she IS Nymiersa. If I remember correctly the lore: She was one of the two first humans and that she and Indriad had more power than ordenary humans. This would mean that she wasn´t/isn´t godlike so getting paralyzed through electroducing sounds plausible to me.

 

But there is something that stops me from believing that Nymeira is Madame X, too.

When we leave Nymeiras house in the past Hiyoshi City she kinda felt/knew that the MC holds the spirit (or is at least connected to his soul) of her son. So shouldn´t Madame X feel/know it too? And if she can, why are there no signs of that during our past encounters? She really wanted to kill our MC during the Blacksteeple arc. Okay maybe Nymeira was corrupted by Indriad during their battle in Hiyoshi City or her powers where reduced/drained (which would explain her swordmanplay to make up for the loss of her powers), but she should at least remember us from the past (sometimes this whole time travelling thingy confuses me really hard, so correct me, if i overlooked something)

 

Madame X seems to me like a person who suffered a lot in the past (or future), just like a girl who lost her whole family and had to survive in the wildness on her own, which made her swear revenge on the ones who hurt her and the ones behind it (wouldn´t surprise me when it turns out, that the bitch squad led by Spacea and Teimpa are the cause) even if she has to involve or kill innocents.

 

In comparison Nymeira, who was betrayed by her loved one and lost her son, acts like someone who would still try to befriend her enemies or at least gives them a chance for redemption and only wants to "end" them when she sees no change (she hoped that Indriad will change through his marriage).

 

So in the end, Nymeira (from my perspective) can only be the true identity of Madame X, if Indriad or someone else hardcore brainwashed her and Madame X doesn´t act like someone who acts on others orders or without her own mind at all, instead she acts like someone who rebels against a god or something like that

[vivaCH 2]

I can follow your thoughts on Madame X being Nymiera brainwashed by Indriad. But there's something that doesn't add up. If that's the case, why would she warn Maria in the prologue?

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2 hours ago, vivaCH said:

I can follow your thoughts on Madame X being Nymiera brainwashed by Indriad. But there's something that doesn't add up. If that's the case, why would she warn Maria in the prolouge?

Is it possible that madame X is maria but without the powers

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6 hours ago, Magus543 said:

Aaah but you forget, Indriad is pretty powerful himself, i'm guessing he's behind Nymiera's potential corruption, as he was with Anju. 

 

 

 

I think Nymiera and Miera is just a coincidence though, like Geara has no relation to Gearen city for example. But who knows? 

Well I suppose it would make sense for Indriad to use Nymiera and Anju for his own nefarious purposes if he managed to defeat them while they were fighting him but what benefit does he get from Madame X establishing Team Xen? And also why isn't Hazuki being used if she was with Nymiera and Anju since we just see her in the Tournament Arena and she looks perfectly fine. 

And Madame X even stops Indriad/Vitus's plan to blow up Blakeory Co. and as @vivaCH pointed out warn Maria.

Also if you encounter Anju at Chrysaslis Manor she talks as if Nymiera is dead and not being corrupted by Indriad but it could be that she's gone crazy with all the time in that chamber.

Trivia: Vitus means "Christian Saint" or French Bicycle Manufacturer (couldn't find any definition for Indriad though.) 

Edited May 22 by Node15

[Magus543 121]

As of the latest past event, Nymiera and the rest of the protectors go to confront Indriad in his lair while we go back to the future, with Indriad active at least as Sirius till he got burned down, it doesn't bode well for the protectors. Like Anju was held captive in the basement with Indriad being okay and Nymiera nowhere to be seen. And it's implied Hiyoshi city was destroyed at this point. 

 

 

Given that Hazuki is now married to the Blakeory family, one suspects something has gone wrong with her, but we have to wait for V13. 

 

Indriad's benefits from turning Nymiera into Madam X are numerous, he turns his hated enemy into a slave, he has a glorified body double taking away all the attention from him while he works in the shadows, and he has a powerful pawn now.  Though the question is, how much is his control over her? The files do indicate that Madam X may be plotting against him somehow. 

[TheVentusX 23]

10 hours ago, vivaCH said:

I can follow your thoughts on Madame X being Nymiera brainwashed by Indriad. But there's something that doesn't add up. If that's the case, why would she warn Maria in the prologue?

Thats part of the reason why I said that she doesn´t act brainwashed at all. Warning Maria seems to me as part of her rebellion against the gods.

 

8 hours ago, Display name said:

Is it possible that madame X is maria but without the powers

Would be possible, if losing her powers means her hair turned from blonde/gold to black (regarding the pyramid event), but so far it seems like Melia is the reincarnation of Maria so it kinda doesn´t add up. On the other hand it would explain why Nastasia joined Team Xen, because Maria was/is her friend and she even went to rescue her in Hiyoshi City. And we also don´t know what really happend with Maria after the end of the underground villa event. Plus some events in the past and clues found in the present implie that there could be kinda two timelines, which maybe became one. For example when we first time travelled to Kugearen City, we witnessed the whole "Indriad goes mad again"-event happening in the villa that we know from the "third badge"-event and that would later become the Chrysola Hotel, but in the prolouge these events happened in a different house and we can even find this house in the desert. If my "two timelines became one"-theory is correct, there exists a possibility that Madame X could be Maria/Marianette from the other timeline.

 

 

[Edo 153]

10 hours ago, Display name said:

Is it possible that madame X is maria but without the powers

 

1 hour ago, TheVentusX said:

Would be possible, if losing her powers means her hair turned from blonde/gold to black (regarding the pyramid event), but so far it seems like Melia is the reincarnation of Maria so it kinda doesn´t add up. On the other hand it would explain why Nastasia joined Team Xen, because Maria was/is her friend and she even went to rescue her in Hiyoshi City. And we also don´t know what really happend with Maria after the end of the underground villa event. Plus some events in the past and clues found in the present implie that there could be kinda two timelines, which maybe became one. For example when we first time travelled to Kugearen City, we witnessed the whole "Indriad goes mad again"-event happening in the villa that we know from the "third badge"-event and that would later become the Chrysola Hotel, but in the prolouge these events happened in a different house and we can even find this house in the desert. If my "two timelines became one"-theory is correct, there exists a possibility that Madame X could be Maria/Marianette from the other timeline.

 

That's what I also thought, Madame X being Maria/Marianette/Melia, assuming those three are somehow connected due to parallel timelines, maybe even the same person through reincarnation. Since Madame X tries to hide her face from everyone at the pyramid when her mask gets broken, and because Cosmia stops the quiz guy from telling us her name, we can probably already deduce her real identity.

Now, in the apocalyptic future at the end, Madame X mentions her mother sacrificed herself to save her, but talks really coldly about her, calling her weak. The only mothers that died in the story so far were Nancy and Anathea (excluding Taelia, since Nora's dead and Aelita wasn't even alive to be protected). Seeing how the MC can have different looks or genders, it doesn't make sense for them to be her, so the only one left would be Maria/Marianette.

 

Also, Indriad seems to have a connection to Yveltal, since his cult outfit's design is based on Yveltal (as we could see in Zumi's artwork), and the fact that the man and woman from Nymiera's story definitely are her and Indriad: We know that Nymiera has a Xerneas statue in her castle on Blacksteeple, even in her home in Hiyoshi city, so it's likely she has Xerneas, consequently Indriad having Yveltal makes sense. But we know that currently, Madame X has Yveltal, and mentions a 'Father' when defeated, which likely refers to Indriad. Also the secret Xen lab's diary, in which Yveltal is mentioned, mentions that "He" knows and sees through Yveltal, probably also referring to Indriad. If this all fits, then Lord Xenadin would actually be Indriad too (seeing how there's Team Xen banners everywhere in the underground lab in Wispy tower, which was built secretly by Indriad/Sirius and sealed off since the fire and only recently opened by Geara to get Giratina, so Team Xen couldn't have put those up as they arrived there only moments before the MC).

 

What's weird though is that in the bad future, Madame X seemed clearly suprised by this world, but knew about Melanie being Melia's parallel self even before meeting her, like she could "feel a connection to her", or was already there once. Since the only ones beside Madame X who remember this world are the MC and Melia, this could imply that she knew beforehand because she remembered being there as Melia. Also, in this future, the one who has Yveltal is Melanie, the one who is actually Melia, yet another connection between them.

 

Another point would be, in the prologue, why was Madame X in Maria's house in the first place, if not because of a connection to Maria and Indriad? Why is she pitying Maria when she asks when will they stop to put her through all this, when she usually is so cold to everyone else, calling everyone weak so it's their own fault if they can't protect themselves and suffer?

 

Edited May 22 by Edo

[Magus543 121]

1 hour ago, Edo said:

 

 

That's what I also thought, Madame X being Maria/Marianette/Melia, assuming those three are somehow connected due to parallel timelines, maybe even the same person through reincarnation. Since Madame X tries to hide her face from everyone at the pyramid when her mask gets broken, and because Cosmia stops the quiz guy from telling us her name, we can probably already deduce her real identity.

Now, in the apocalyptic future at the end, Madame X mentions her mother sacrificed herself to save her, but talks really coldly about her, calling her weak. The only mothers that died in the story so far were Nancy and Anathea (excluding Taelia, since Nora's dead and Aelita wasn't even alive to be protected). Seeing how the MC can have different looks or genders, it doesn't make sense for them to be her, so the only one left would be Maria/Marianette.

 

Also, Indriad seems to have a connection to Yveltal, since his cult outfit's design is based on Yveltal (as we could see in Zumi's artwork), and the fact that the man and woman from Nymiera's story definitely are her and Indriad: We know that Nymiera has a Xerneas statue in her castle on Blacksteeple, even in her home in Hiyoshi city, so it's likely she has Xerneas, consequently Indriad having Yveltal makes sense. But we know that currently, Madame X has Yveltal, and mentions a 'Father' when defeated, which likely refers to Indriad. Also the secret Xen lab's diary, in which Yveltal is mentioned, mentions that "He" knows and sees through Yveltal, probably also referring to Indriad. If this all fits, then Lord Xenadin would actually be Indriad too (seeing how there's Team Xen banners everywhere in the underground lab in Wispy tower, which was built secretly by Indriad/Sirius and sealed off since the fire and only recently opened by Geara to get Giratina, so Team Xen couldn't have put those up as they arrived there only moments before the MC).

 

What's weird though is that in the bad future, Madame X seemed clearly suprised by this world, but knew about Melanie being Melia's parallel self even before meeting her, like she could "feel a connection to her", or was already there once. Since the only ones beside Madame X who remember this world are the MC and Melia, this could imply that she knew beforehand because she remembered being there as Melia. Also, in this future, the one who has Yveltal is Melanie, the one who is actually Melia, yet another connection between them.

 

Another point would be, in the prologue, why was Madame X in Maria's house in the first place, if not because of a connection to Maria and Indriad? Why is she pitying Maria when she asks when will they stop to put her through all this, when she usually is so cold to everyone else, calling everyone weak so it's their own fault if they can't protect themselves and suffer?

 

Clearly Madam X knows more about Melia and her powers than Melia knows herself. So it's not unlikely that Madam X could somehow sense that Melanie is the same person. 

[Edo 153]

3 minutes ago, Magus543 said:

Clearly Madam X knows more about Melia and her powers than Melia knows herself. So it's not unlikely that Madam X could somehow sense that Melanie is the same person. 

Yep she definitely knows, though what bothers me is that Madame X clearly doesn't have those powers, since she tries to get her hands on Melia's powers, so how would she even sense them? So the sensing/feeling thing might not make much sense, unless she still has small fragments of the power left. Then it would still be possible for Madame X to be Maria, cause this has been bothering me a lot, since Maria shouldn't know about Melanie, but Melia does. I only included Melia because of this, my original thought was actually just Maria to be Madame X, so the sensing part due to a little power left might explain it.

 

Also, how did Madame X even find out about Melia having those powers from when she was still a baby? (Baby because Jenner adopted her as a toddler, since she says she named Hapi when she could barely speak)
Her powers only awakened much later in the bad future, so Madame X might know about her powers since it's herself, but on the other hand, it might be something else we're still missing, and Madame X being after her own past self's powers just seems contradictory. Because why didn't she just take Maria's powers when they met in the prologue if that's all she needs? I think it's because that might cause a time paradox, but not with Melia since they're not the same.

 

So while Melia still might be possible, I kinda tend more to Madame X being Maria/Marianette. Especially because of the Father/Indriad stuff, Melia wouldn't say that, but Maria would.

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2 hours ago, Edo said:

Yep she definitely knows, though what bothers me is that Madame X clearly doesn't have those powers, since she tries to get her hands on Melia's powers, so how would she even sense them? So the sensing/feeling thing might not make much sense, unless she still has small fragments of the power left. Then it would still be possible for Madame X to be Maria, cause this has been bothering me a lot, since Maria shouldn't know about Melanie, but Melia does. I only included Melia because of this, my original thought was actually just Maria to be Madame X, so the sensing part due to a little power left might explain it.

 

Also, how did Madame X even find out about Melia having those powers from when she was still a baby? (Baby because Jenner adopted her as a toddler, since she says she named Hapi when she could barely speak)
Her powers only awakened much later in the bad future, so Madame X might know about her powers since it's herself, but on the other hand, it might be something else we're still missing, and Madame X being after her own past self's powers just seems contradictory. Because why didn't she just take Maria's powers when they met in the prologue if that's all she needs? I think it's because that might cause a time paradox, but not with Melia since they're not the same.

 

So while Melia still might be possible, I kinda tend more to Madame X being Maria/Marianette. Especially because of the Father/Indriad stuff, Melia wouldn't say that, but Maria would.

Maybe madame x lost her powers and the reason she wants Melia's powers is so she can keep them safe.

 

5 hours ago, TheVentusX said:

Thats part of the reason why I said that she doesn´t act brainwashed at all. Warning Maria seems to me as part of her rebellion against the gods.

 

Would be possible, if losing her powers means her hair turned from blonde/gold to black (regarding the pyramid event), but so far it seems like Melia is the reincarnation of Maria so it kinda doesn´t add up. On the other hand it would explain why Nastasia joined Team Xen, because Maria was/is her friend and she even went to rescue her in Hiyoshi City. And we also don´t know what really happend with Maria after the end of the underground villa event. Plus some events in the past and clues found in the present implie that there could be kinda two timelines, which maybe became one. For example when we first time travelled to Kugearen City, we witnessed the whole "Indriad goes mad again"-event happening in the villa that we know from the "third badge"-event and that would later become the Chrysola Hotel, but in the prolouge these events happened in a different house and we can even find this house in the desert. If my "two timelines became one"-theory is correct, there exists a possibility that Madame X could be Maria/Marianette from the other timeline.

 

 

This would also explain why we see Kanon in the past twice even though he was in the present for the second time.

[TheVentusX 23]

35 minutes ago, iiiiitamar said:

This would also explain why we see Kanon in the past twice even though he was in the present for the second time.

The reason we saw Kanon twice was, that after Hiyoshi City was destroyed in the aftermath of the Indriad vs Nymeira battle, Kanon was rescued by Spacea and Teimpa and brought to the Kugearen Coty past where we met him for the first time. I just don't quiete remember if the cause for his loss of memories was the hiyoshi incident, the doing of the spacea and time sisters or through Nymeiras orders. So we met Kanons past self during The Hiyoshi arc.

[TheVentusX 23]

3 hours ago, Edo said:

Yep she definitely knows, though what bothers me is that Madame X clearly doesn't have those powers, since she tries to get her hands on Melia's powers, so how would she even sense them? So the sensing/feeling thing might not make much sense, unless she still has small fragments of the power left. Then it would still be possible for Madame X to be Maria, cause this has been bothering me a lot, since Maria shouldn't know about Melanie, but Melia does. I only included Melia because of this, my original thought was actually just Maria to be Madame X, so the sensing part due to a little power left might explain it.

 

Also, how did Madame X even find out about Melia having those powers from when she was still a baby? (Baby because Jenner adopted her as a toddler, since she says she named Hapi when she could barely speak)
Her powers only awakened much later in the bad future, so Madame X might know about her powers since it's herself, but on the other hand, it might be something else we're still missing, and Madame X being after her own past self's powers just seems contradictory. Because why didn't she just take Maria's powers when they met in the prologue if that's all she needs? I think it's because that might cause a time paradox, but not with Melia since they're not the same.

 

So while Melia still might be possible, I kinda tend more to Madame X being Maria/Marianette. Especially because of the Father/Indriad stuff, Melia wouldn't say that, but Maria would.

Maybe when Maria/Marianette was "sacrificed" by Indriad in the prologue, Maria/Marianette lost her powers which were somehow transferred to a newborn Melia (and maybe her three siblings too). That would explain the connection between Melia and Maria. Maria/Marianette somehow survived and swore revenge against Indriad, stole Yvetal from him, trained to wield a sword and tries to use Melia, who wields her powers, as a weapon for her revenge. 

 

Regarding my combined timeline theory there is another similar scenario: Prologue-Maria/Marianette survived in exchange for her powers and Melia is the reincarnation of the "underground villa"-Maria/Marianette and helds her power. The rest is same as my theory above.