Theory Crafting Thread

[Edo 153]

1 hour ago, iiiiitamar said:

Maybe madame x lost her powers and the reason she wants Melia's powers is so she can keep them safe.

Team Xen's goal is to summon Storm-9 again by using Melia's powers, so Madame X as their leader should want that too. Indriad tried to summon it by sacrificing Maria, or at least it sounded like sacrificing her would cause it to happen, but Vivian's spell prevented the worst. I'm wondering if he succeeded the summon by actually sacrificing her and we're already too late to save her, or if he used another method. But since Anathea mentioned in Hiyoshi city that she feels Maria's presence, and by then Vivian was already dead and Storm-9 was already bound to happen, Maria is probably still alive.

 

Kinda weird is that they theoretically could've gone for Erin as well, since she's been out of the Unown dimension for a pretty long time. Maybe they had no way to enter the dimension, and no idea she was out again. Or her powers are too weak compared to Melia. That might also be the reason as for why Indriad sacrificed Anathea in the first place, because she also had the Archtype's powers, but hers were too weak and the ritual failed, so he tried to sacrifice Maria next.

 

13 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

Maybe when Maria/Marianette was "sacrificed" by Indriad in the prologue, Maria/Marianette lost her powers which were somehow transferred to a newborn Melia (and maybe her three siblings too). That would explain the connection between Melia and Maria. Maria/Marianette somehow survived and swore revenge against Indriad, stole Yvetal from him, trained to wield a sword and tries to use Melia, who wields her powers, as a weapon for her revenge. 

 

Regarding my combined timeline theory there is another similar scenario: Prologue-Maria/Marianette survived in exchange for her powers and Melia is the reincarnation of the "underground villa"-Maria/Marianette and helds her power. The rest is same as my theory above.

If she wanted revenge, she wouldn't lead Team Xen and plan to do the same thing as he did, and not regretfully say "I lost, Father" after losing on Blacksteeple. She's probably just acting as his pawn.

[TheVentusX 23]

1 hour ago, Edo said:

Team Xen's goal is to summon Storm-9 again by using Melia's powers, so Madame X as their leader should want that too. Indriad tried to summon it by sacrificing Maria, or at least it sounded like sacrificing her would cause it to happen, but Vivian's spell prevented the worst. I'm wondering if he succeeded the summon by actually sacrificing her and we're already too late to save her, or if he used another method. But since Anathea mentioned in Hiyoshi city that she feels Maria's presence, and by then Vivian was already dead and Storm-9 was already bound to happen, Maria is probably still alive.

 

Kinda weird is that they theoretically could've gone for Erin as well, since she's been out of the Unown dimension for a pretty long time. Maybe they had no way to enter the dimension, and no idea she was out again. Or her powers are too weak compared to Melia. That might also be the reason as for why Indriad sacrificed Anathea in the first place, because she also had the Archtype's powers, but hers were too weak and the ritual failed, so he tried to sacrifice Maria next.

 

If she wanted revenge, she wouldn't lead Team Xen and plan to do the same thing as he did, and not regretfully say "I lost, Father" after losing on Blacksteeple. She's probably just acting as his pawn.

We don't know if it is really their plan to conjure Storm-9, that is just what Melia concludes from the journey to the past and the apocalyptic future and from what the returners say (and I don't trust them one bit) Team Xen's, or at least Madame X's, true goal is still a mystery. And regarding the "I lost, father", we don't know if she really means Indriad, she could also mean Arceus, as her former powers come from him or after surviving the sacrifice she could have met someone who helped her and she regards him her father (maybe Xenadin, which could explain naming her organization team Xen, too)

 

Also maybe Madame X tries to deceive Indriad by "acting" as his pawn, to take her revenge in the right moment and the reason she says "I lost, father" is, that she is being watched by him through Yvetal (regarding the secret files) and she is speaking directly to him.

[iiiiitamar 1]

44 minutes ago, Edo said:

Kinda weird is that they theoretically could've gone for Erin as well, since she's been out of the Unown dimension for a pretty long time. Maybe they had no way to enter the dimension, and no idea she was out again. Or her powers are too weak compared to Melia. That might also be the reason as for why Indriad sacrificed Anathea in the first place, because she also had the Archtype's powers, but hers were too weak and the ritual failed, so he tried to sacrifice Maria next.

Talking about Erin, in the magnolia library, after you get the second badge, a blue haired Erin appears and her absol is the one that warned us from the team xen attack back in golden wood forest which makes me believe that that's not Erin. Maybe she is from a different time?

[Edo 153]

25 minutes ago, iiiiitamar said:

Talking about Erin, in the magnolia library, after you get the second badge, a blue haired Erin appears and her absol is the one that warned us from the team xen attack back in golden wood forest which makes me believe that that's not Erin. Maybe she is from a different time?

It's really the same Erin. That has already been confirmed by Jan who said that Erin is the type of person who likes to dye her hair.

 

52 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

We don't know if it is really their plan to conjure Storm-9, that is justwhat Melia concludes from the journey to the past and the apocalyotic future

Hmm yeah could be, I wasn't sure anymore if they revealed their goals themselves, but Melia seemed reeaaally convinced that she figured out their plan, so I just went with that.

Especially none of the Xen admins look like they want to destroy the whole region, except for Geara who revers Indriad so he'd definitely do it.

Edited May 22 by Edo

[TheVentusX 23]

38 minutes ago, Edo said:

Especially none of the Xen admins look like they want to destroy the whole region, except for Geara who revers Indriad so he'd definitely do it.

Geara is a topic which bothered me for a while...if we stay with my theory that Team Xen works against Indriad (which btw makes sense, since I just remembered that Sirius was seemingly killed by a red haired woman when she destroyed Whispy Tower. This could be Freya aka the nasty red haired bitch who killed Kennan's family, and after the whole pyramid event we know she works with Madame X and I don't think she would help an organization which is led by someone who works for someone she killed, or at least tried to kill) then how came Geara into Team Xen? He wouldn't work against his hero, so maybe he was sent on Indriad's orders to act as some kind of double agent...

[Edo 153]

1 hour ago, TheVentusX said:

Geara is a topic which bothered me for a while...if we stay with my theory that Team Xen works against Indriad (which btw makes sense, since I just remembered that Sirius was seemingly killed by a red haired woman when she destroyed Whispy Tower. This could be Freya aka the nasty red haired bitch who killed Kennan's family, and after the whole pyramid event we know she works with Madame X and I don't think she would help an organization which is led by someone who works for someone she killed, or at least tried to kill) then how came Geara into Team Xen? He wouldn't work against his hero, so maybe he was sent on Indriad's orders to act as some kind of double agent...

No the woman they saw had black hair, there's a NPC in Goldenleaf town (below Ren's home) who tells the story and how Narcissa saw a woman with black hair in a black dress smile at her. Also that fire wasn't started because of Indriad, as it is shown in WLL that they tried to kill Kenneth's daughter, whose class had a school trip there on that day.
We also know that Freya wasn't working together with whoever started those fires, because the blackmailer pressured Kenneth to kill Taelia himself (since they seemingly didn't know who the "Maiden of Resurrection" was), while Freya knew it's Taelia and planned on killing her herself.

 

About Geara: I'm not really sure about this, but I believe that he lost contact to Indriad after the fire. Especially since Indriad seems to have fused with Anju. And like I said, Team Xen banners and even their logos are all around the lab, which were definitely put up beforehand by Indriad or Geara, since Geara's last journal was written while they were trapped by the fire, and afterwards the lab was sealed off until we arrived so noone could've entered between then and the present time.

Edited May 22 by Edo

[Magus543 121]

As i recall, Freya wasn't behind the murder attempts, her goal was the creation of Aelita, the other killer wanted the reincarnations stopped.  Freya explicitly states that there was no cooperation with the other killer and that they didn't even know who was Vivian's reincarnation. 

 

 

So even more assholes to deal with. 

[Display name 58]

Honestly I didn't understand why anju doesn't leave the manor with you despite knowing who you are

[nhehvnukl 35]

1 hour ago, Display name said:

Honestly I didn't understand why anju doesn't leave the manor with you despite knowing who you are

Something about a thing she needs to do.

[Display name 58]

That thing is her getting possesed by indriad

[TheVentusX 23]

3 hours ago, Edo said:

No the woman they saw had black hair, there's a NPC in Goldenleaf town (below Ren's home) who tells the story and how Narcissa saw a woman with black hair in a black dress smile at her. Also that fire wasn't started because of Indriad, as it is shown in WLL that they tried to kill Kenneth's daughter, whose class had a school trip there on that day.
We also know that Freya wasn't working together with whoever started those fires, because the blackmailer pressured Kenneth to kill Taelia himself (since they seemingly didn't know who the "Maiden of Resurrection" was), while Freya knew it's Taelia and planned on killing her herself.

 

About Geara: I'm not really sure about this, but I believe that he lost contact to Indriad after the fire. Especially since Indriad seems to have fused with Anju. And like I said, Team Xen banners and even their logos are all around the lab, which were definitely put up beforehand by Indriad or Geara, since Geara's last journal was written while they were trapped by the fire, and afterwards the lab was sealed off until we arrived so noone could've entered between then and the present time.

Ups, it seems i have forgotten some things from WLL and regarding the team Xen banners: wouldn't that mean that Indriad was Xenadin or there is at least a big connection between them? (Phew, home many possible identities has this guy 0.0) Since the present Team Xen didn't exist at that time, if I recall that correctly. 

 

Hopefully we will learn more of the Miera Region and/or Xenadin&Freya in the next update, it would definitly bring some light to this puzzle (and another hundred questions )

[Edo 153]

17 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

Ups, it seems i have forgotten some things from WLL and regarding the team Xen banners: wouldn't that mean that Indriad was Xenadin or there is at least a big connection between them? (Phew, home many possible identities has this guy 0.0) Since the present Team Xen didn't exist at that time, if I recall that correctly. 

 

Hopefully we will learn more of the Miera Region and/or Xenadin&Freya in the next update, it would definitly bring some light to this puzzle (and another hundred questions )

Yes Indriad being Xenadin is what I think as well, at least if Madame X truly is Maria or Melia.

And I'm really interested in the connection between Maria and Marianette, and also with Melia if there is one. This seems to be the biggest piece of the puzzle we are still missing, since a connection was implied right at the beginning, yet we still don't have an answer.

[Magus543 121]

I'm going to assume that Sirius getting caught in the fire was not part of his plan, the journals in the radio state he was plotting to use the media to experiment with mind control or whatever, and he had Giratina in the basement. I'm inclined to believe the killer had no relation to Indriad, and accidentally got in the way of his plans. 

 

 

Here's a funny thought, what if Indriad was just buried alive by Narcissa and that's where he's been all this time? HA! 

[Nexen57 7]

So I was replaying the Eclypsia Pyramid part and I came with something with Alice and Allen:

We all think Cosmos and Cosmia(if I recall correctly their names) would be the Dark and Fairy leaders because the badges match and the Starlight field boosts both type.But there are also two characters with a Fairy type and a Dark type and are blood related.

They're Allen and Alice:

Allen has an Alolan-Ninetales and Alice has a Sableye.So Allen could be a Fairy specialist and Alice a Dark specialist.But what's even better is the battle between Alice and Aelita.If you look at the battlefield there are stars everywhere which recalls the Starlight arena where we should fight them.And we never actually fought them so that could fit.

Plus there could be a name for each of their signature moves: Light's Embrace for Allen and Unown Buster for Alice.

Light's Embrace could be a special Fairy move associated with light like with Dazzling Gleam and Unown Buster would be a physical Dark type move (with a bonus random typing based on the Hidden Power type of the pokemon to recall the Unowns?).These moves are two of the moves Allen uses vs the Bladestar Admin.

[TheHellHamster 9]

1 hour ago, Nexen57 said:

So I was replaying the Eclypsia Pyramid part and I came with something with Alice and Allen:

We all think Cosmos and Cosmia(if I recall correctly their names) would be the Dark and Fairy leaders because the badges match and the Starlight field boosts both type.But there are also two characters with a Fairy type and a Dark type and are blood related.

They're Allen and Alice:

Allen has an Alolan-Ninetales and Alice has a Sableye.So Allen could be a Fairy specialist and Alice a Dark specialist.But what's even better is the battle between Alice and Aelita.If you look at the battlefield there are stars everywhere which recalls the Starlight arena where we should fight them.And we never actually fought them so that could fit.

Plus there could be a name for each of their signature moves: Light's Embrace for Allen and Unown Buster for Alice.

Light's Embrace could be a special Fairy move associated with light like with Dazzling Gleam and Unown Buster would be a physical Dark type move (with a bonus random typing based on the Hidden Power type of the pokemon to recall the Unowns?).These moves are two of the moves Allen uses vs the Bladestar Admin.

I suppose the reason you would get badges from fighting them would be Alice just asking the Unown to make some which would make more sense than Comet and Cosmia having badges for whatever reason.

[TheVentusX 23]

3 hours ago, Nexen57 said:

So I was replaying the Eclypsia Pyramid part and I came with something with Alice and Allen:

We all think Cosmos and Cosmia(if I recall correctly their names) would be the Dark and Fairy leaders because the badges match and the Starlight field boosts both type.But there are also two characters with a Fairy type and a Dark type and are blood related.

They're Allen and Alice:

Allen has an Alolan-Ninetales and Alice has a Sableye.So Allen could be a Fairy specialist and Alice a Dark specialist.But what's even better is the battle between Alice and Aelita.If you look at the battlefield there are stars everywhere which recalls the Starlight arena where we should fight them.And we never actually fought them so that could fit.

Plus there could be a name for each of their signature moves: Light's Embrace for Allen and Unown Buster for Alice.

Light's Embrace could be a special Fairy move associated with light like with Dazzling Gleam and Unown Buster would be a physical Dark type move (with a bonus random typing based on the Hidden Power type of the pokemon to recall the Unowns?).These moves are two of the moves Allen uses vs the Bladestar Admin.

That would definitely make sense, even more since Comet is still stuck in the MC-form and it would be kinda weird to battle against someone who looks like us for a badge  (okay maybe he regains his true form till then, but still...) And I really want to battle against the crazy twins with my own team  

 

But I'm also really curious about Cosmia's and Comet's role in the story. Even though Cosmia kidnapped (I really hope it was just thatO.o) the quiz man before he could tell us the identity of Madame X, I don't think they are allies of Team Xen, instead I think they either work for Crescent or someone still unknown to us (maybe team Amanda?).

 

Also what do you all think, what they are gaining from imitating the MC and Nancy?

[Magus543 121]

The shape-shifting duo get fame and comfort from imitating us and Nancy.  Also victims for Nim to turn to stone. 

[TheVentusX 23]

5 hours ago, Magus543 said:

The shape-shifting duo get fame and comfort from imitating us and Nancy.  Also victims for Nim to turn to stone. 

Lol thats true, didn't remember that, the fame thing makes sense, since Nancy is an idol (if our 'mother' really was the real Nancy) that would mean that they are indeed allies of Crescent, 'cause she gave Nim/Lorna her orders. As for why Crescent wanted Nim/Lorna to turn the gym leaders to stone, I think she wanted to stop the MC from gaining badges and through that hindering us in our journey or in gaining entry to the top 8, which would imply that there is somehow more to them than just the connection to Amanda's mystery organization, maybe even a deep connection to Team Xen or Indriad. Wouldn't surprise me anymore

 

Another thing regarding Crescent: During our scene with her when we died on Valor Mountain, she implied that those we lost can be rescued. First I thought we can revive them with the soul stone, but during our first trip to the past we learned that the stone was empty and till now we only obtained Anathea's soul. And even if Nancy was a doll/android/former maid it is possible for her to have a soul and it is really impossible that Jenner had no soul...so did they really die and if the answer is no what could have happened to them and how can they be saved. Maybe Crescent didn't just save Nim but also Jenner and during the Blacksteeple arc Nancy (not her body but her soul) This means she only used their "deaths" to manipulate us. On the other side then why the hint that they can be rescued? Maybe in future updates (postgame?) we have the chance to travel to important points of our past adventures and rescue the souls of the persons who died for our sake or without reason

[iiiiitamar 1]

33 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

Lol thats true, didn't remember that, the fame thing makes sense, since Nancy is an idol (if our 'mother' really was the real Nancy) that would mean that they are indeed allies of Crescent, 'cause she gave Nim/Lorna her orders. As for why Crescent wanted Nim/Lorna to turn the gym leaders to stone, I think she wanted to stop the MC from gaining badges and through that hindering us in our journey or in gaining entry to the top 8, which would imply that there is somehow more to them than just the connection to Amanda's mystery organization, maybe even a deep connection to Team Xen or Indriad. Wouldn't surprise me anymore

 

Another thing regarding Crescent: During our scene with her when we died on Valor Mountain, she implied that those we lost can be rescued. First I thought we can revive them with the soul stone, but during our first trip to the past we learned that the stone was empty and till now we only obtained Anathea's soul. And even if Nancy was a doll/android/former maid it is possible for her to have a soul and it is really impossible that Jenner had no soul...so did they really die and if the answer is no what could have happened to them and how can they be saved. Maybe Crescent didn't just save Nim but also Jenner and during the Blacksteeple arc Nancy (not her body but her soul) This means she only used their "deaths" to manipulate us. On the other side then why the hint that they can be rescued? Maybe in future updates (postgame?) we have the chance to travel to important points of our past adventures and rescue the souls of the persons who died for our sake or without reason

Maybe we're going to get the time diamond and use that to revive them.

 

 I have two guesses regarding jenner's death:

1. He is a doll created by madame x.

2. Crescent did something with him.

Edited May 24 by iiiiitamar

[Edo 153]

10 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

Lol thats true, didn't remember that, the fame thing makes sense, since Nancy is an idol (if our 'mother' really was the real Nancy) that would mean that they are indeed allies of Crescent, 'cause she gave Nim/Lorna her orders. As for why Crescent wanted Nim/Lorna to turn the gym leaders to stone, I think she wanted to stop the MC from gaining badges and through that hindering us in our journey or in gaining entry to the top 8, which would imply that there is somehow more to them than just the connection to Amanda's mystery organization, maybe even a deep connection to Team Xen or Indriad. Wouldn't surprise me anymore

 

Another thing regarding Crescent: During our scene with her when we died on Valor Mountain, she implied that those we lost can be rescued. First I thought we can revive them with the soul stone, but during our first trip to the past we learned that the stone was empty and till now we only obtained Anathea's soul. And even if Nancy was a doll/android/former maid it is possible for her to have a soul and it is really impossible that Jenner had no soul...so did they really die and if the answer is no what could have happened to them and how can they be saved. Maybe Crescent didn't just save Nim but also Jenner and during the Blacksteeple arc Nancy (not her body but her soul) This means she only used their "deaths" to manipulate us. On the other side then why the hint that they can be rescued? Maybe in future updates (postgame?) we have the chance to travel to important points of our past adventures and rescue the souls of the persons who died for our sake or without reason

The thing about stopping us from getting badges is actually a pretty good idea about her motivation.

Also, since Amanda mentioned the league already being infiltrated, wouldn't that mean some of the gym leaders we met were already spies/agents/or whatever of the organization Amanda came from? Maybe someone will betray us in the future. Maybe Crescent was targeting those leaders she believes to be part of said organization by petrifying them in order to get in their way and protect the MC?

 

The implication of saving everyone might also be possible by going back in time, since the whole story seems to be a time loop, as mentioned by Madame X and Kieran several times, who comment on events happening differently from what they know. Would be the easiest way at least. Also, the Last Ditch Project in Amethyst Grotto might have something to do with it, although I don't remember exactly if that was implied.

[TheVentusX 23]

1 hour ago, Edo said:

The thing about stopping us from getting badges is actually a pretty good idea about her motivation.

Also, since Amanda mentioned the league already being infiltrated, wouldn't that mean some of the gym leaders we met were already spies/agents/or whatever of the organization Amanda came from? Maybe someone will betray us in the future. Maybe Crescent was targeting those leaders she believes to be part of said organization by petrifying them in order to get in their way and protect the MC?

 

I believe Amanda meant she has chosen gym leaders who are weaker than they should be (like Texen or in the case West Gearen City position chaos) or left positions vacant so when a regional crisis happens, they wouldn't be of any help (We just had the "big luck" that most of these changes happened after we obtained the strong ones badge ). But I can't believe anyone from the ones we fought already were used as agents, as all of them were either supporters for our cause, had their own circumstances (Kennan), didn't even really count and Team Amanda had no influence over them (Puppetmaster/Marianette) or like Angie and Flora who pursued their own (evil) agenda. The last two only played into Amanda's hands with their actions. Okay, who knows what happens in the future, now that Amanda's plot was revealed and we all know Jan and his surprises  

 

For the gym leaders we couldn't battle, as they were replaced through some circumstances, like Talon, it could be possible that they are agents/spies.

 

Plot twist: Team AA is behind all and they just act as useless idiots, so that nobody takes them serious

[Edo 153]

47 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

I believe Amanda meant she has chosen gym leaders who are weaker than they should be (like Texen or in the case West Gearen City position chaos) or left positions vacant so when a regional crisis happens, they wouldn't be of any help (We just had the "big luck" that most of these changes happened after we obtained the strong ones badge ). But I can't believe anyone from the ones we fought already were used as agents, as all of them were either supporters for our cause, had their own circumstances (Kennan), didn't even really count and Team Amanda had no influence over them (Puppetmaster/Marianette) or like Angie and Flora who pursued their own (evil) agenda. The last two only played into Amanda's hands with their actions. Okay, who knows what happens in the future, now that Amanda's plot was revealed and we all know Jan and his surprises  

 

For the gym leaders we couldn't battle, as they were replaced through some circumstances, like Talon, it could be possible that they are agents/spies.

 

Plot twist: Team AA is behind all and they just act as useless idiots, so that nobody takes them serious

you're right, lol, of course the ones we've met couldn't be spies, I already completely forgot everyone's story and personality after finishing the game again just recently

 

Second Plot Twist: Team AA was founded by Crescent, to stop us from helping others and go live a normal life  

Edited May 24 by Edo

[TheVentusX 23]

34 minutes ago, Edo said:

Second Plot Twist: Team AA was founded by Crescent, to stop us from helping others and go live a normal life  

Holy it is really shocking that this makes so much sense

[iiiiitamar 1]

9 hours ago, TheVentusX said:

I believe Amanda meant she has chosen gym leaders who are weaker than they should be (like Texen or in the case West Gearen City position chaos) or left positions vacant so when a regional crisis happens, they wouldn't be of any help (We just had the "big luck" that most of these changes happened after we obtained the strong ones badge ). But I can't believe anyone from the ones we fought already were used as agents, as all of them were either supporters for our cause, had their own circumstances (Kennan), didn't even really count and Team Amanda had no influence over them (Puppetmaster/Marianette) or like Angie and Flora who pursued their own (evil) agenda. The last two only played into Amanda's hands with their actions. Okay, who knows what happens in the future, now that Amanda's plot was revealed and we all know Jan and his surprises  

 

For the gym leaders we couldn't battle, as they were replaced through some circumstances, like Talon, it could be possible that they are agents/spies.

 

Plot twist: Team AA is behind all and they just act as useless idiots, so that nobody takes them serious

I think that Isha created the Amanda robot and she is apart of his big plan because he isn't with team xen, he is only helping Cassandra sometimes and Amanda says she got her hat from GDC.

[TheVentusX 23]

3 hours ago, iiiiitamar said:

I think that Isha created the Amanda robot and she is apart of his big plan because he isn't with team xen, he is only helping Cassandra sometimes and Amanda says she got her hat from GDC.

Wasn´t he just a pure psychotic doctor who shares a brain with his father to inrease his sucess rate? But it would be plausible, if Team Amanda hired him for help in creating the android, even though I don´t really think that, since why would you need a surgeon to create a android with living hair and laserbeams? Who knows, but we also still don´t know what "present" Ishia left for GDC.

 

Another thing regarding Amanda: she said that her team wants to reverse Celine´s plan. Is Celine the woman from Karen´s diary, who asked the Alamissa Urben gang (Adam, Karen, Damian and Ryland) to join the league? If so, that would mean she knew what would happen, but how? Maybe it has something to do with our time travels?