Cyphre Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Rejuvenation said: The biggest theory i wanna know about is the identity of Madme X Like seriously what is under that mask. I have a hunch it might be Anathea It's possible, you can check out specific threads devoted to this topic and input your thoughts. Any single human is prone to forgetting details, gotta gather around to figure it out. Here is the most recent topic i started about this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.A.M CXZ 007 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 i think jan will most probably reveal the identity of madame x in v14 bcz i have hunch we clear heard we have raid in xen base but it might be we fail and we make a comeback in v14.1,14.2,14.3 respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthprisonpanopticon Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Ram Cxz 007 said: i think jan will most probably reveal the identity of madame x in v14 i think that jan mentioned on his tumblr that her identity will specifically be revealed in v16. so we've still got quite a while to go lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.A.M CXZ 007 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 oh so we learn her identity in post game or the elite four time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthprisonpanopticon Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Ram Cxz 007 said: oh so we learn her identity in post game or the elite four time dunno. all that he said is that she would be revealed come v16. my guess is that it'll probably (if we get both the 16th and 17th badges v14, the 18th in v15) be during or post-elite 4, since i doubt that big of a plot point would be part of the postgame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.A.M CXZ 007 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 hmmm ok i understand but it will be a probably a important plot point bcz if the madame x is among us (the cast) then it would interesting to know how she became madamex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5uperdawg Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 There's one thing that's been lingering at the back of my mind since the end of V13. In the diamond route, after you beat Cera and Angie, a soul comes out of Angie, and it's said that it is actually Vitus Theolia from before Storm-9. With further information from Vitus' Gardevoir after Vivian sacrafices herself to protect the future, she said that Vivian shouldn't mess up what Vitus gift to humanity. I'm pretty sure this is STORM-9. (Or i hope it is, or else this theory wouldn't make sense). If it was indeed storm-9, I'm wondering about a couple of things. 1: The Nihilego It's not necessarily their second form, but rather them coming from ultra wormholes, similar to that of Kieran and Clear. If that's the case, i'm wondering if either Vitus knew about the existence of these wormholes and had the power to manipulate them, or if they came from a second source not controlled by Vitus. Either way, it shows that there was ultra beast/ultra wormhole activity, which is something i'm curious about. 2: The Motive With the future of the world being in complete disarray in the future caused by Vitus' actions, whether or not it was Storm-9 or not, I'm wondering about the intent behind it. There's no real One-dimensional villain in Rejuvenation, so i'm still having trouble establishing a motive beyond "He was evil". Part of it could be the intent to rule over Aevium, and subsequently the world, but that could have probably been obtained through Garufan means. It's a little puzzling, and if there's anything to that hints or explains it that I missed because I'm a dumbass, please tell me. 3: Vitus Theolia's Identity This is the most puzzling. He's not just an ordinary man. This is probably the most farfetch'd. He was or is the descendant of the man involved in the story about Arceus splitting in 3. Honestly i don't have too much reliable information bar 2 things. 1: it's shown that he has the some knowledge on Garufan spells through Kanon's memory, when he is revealed to be his creator alongside Nymeria. Nymeria knows about it because she's very versed in that aspect of humanity, and could even be the woman in the story or a descendant of the woman in the story (this is a big stretch), but there would be no other reason as to why Vitus knows about it, especially since he's been doing it before him and anathea got married. 2: His association with Arceus and having a cult of maids which continued into Angie. When in Angie, similar to that of him in the prologue with Maria, he is shown to sacrifice maids and other people to Arceus on a similar table, which has a yellow circle with a pentagram-esk shape in the middle. I feel like since the man in the story is vehemently asking arceus about problems and was seriously devoted to him, this level of devotion could be through multiple generations of lineage/if he the same person. If he is, then maybe his soul can travel across death and be reborn. (Honestly, the identity is a bit of a stretch and is super clumsy, but ah well, i still quite like the first 2 and they seem to be somewhat coherent) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mei-o_Scarlett Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 pretty sure hes like nymeria and is immortal and the very same one from the backstory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.A.M CXZ 007 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 then the question is what happened to nymeria i said it was nim because of the pearl route and the damien and alexandra storm 9 battle.we know anju was captured in the mansion then was transformed into angie during our journey or it is possible the mansion was just connecting the past and the present .hazuki was taken by thomas to the evacuation vessel but then nymeria was most probably fused with storm-9.xenpurgis is possibly inspired from storm -9. nihilego is part storm-9. probably nymeria was also fused to a part of storm 9 .so what is the real boss storm 9.may be eternamax eternatus but with rift matter level power. why was nora(keta's daughter in WLL) killed was told to be some kind of dangerous being. in v13 we came know that madamex and celine has some stone named light stone and dark stone so does these stones are reshiram and zekrom or are they different mons.is they are then doesntit mean madamex has a zekrom and a yvetal to legendary mon. one more question was souta killed by isiah halvard bcz of his spirtual healing it was in rift volcanion's notes who is Draconia's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5uperdawg Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 15 hours ago, Ram Cxz 007 said: but then nymeria was most probably fused with storm-9.xenpurgis is possibly inspired from storm -9. nihilego is part storm-9. probably nymeria was also fused to a part of storm 9 Honestly, it wouldn't be too crazy to hypothesis that Nim is the reincarnation/rebirth of Nymeria or something resembling a servant to her through the power of storm 9. We've seen Nymeria have the power to create things using Garufan magic, and given the fact that the spell was weakened due to Vivian's sacrifice, Nymeria could have sacrificed her life in order to save Storm-9 and created/reincarnated into Nim due to her ties with Garufa. Plus, Alexandria i'm pretty sure had a vision in Sashila Village telling her to protect Nim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 So I am replaying the game to do a mono-fairy run, and i noticed two things. I imagine one or both of these have been mentioned before, but I might as well put them here. 1. Amanda asks you to pick a profile when you choose your appearance, which are all clearly different people. Something that makes zero sense for her to say, until you realize that the MC looks different to everyone (seriously, this is a dumb plot point, how did nobody point something out soon? Like did nobody really say, "your pink hair is pretty" and then everyone else would be like "they don't have pink hair", but I digress), Amanda at this point is presumably already the fake, and this same fake claims they have been watching the MC since before they came to the region, I.E. they know who the MC is, so they want to ask what the MC thinks they look like for confirmation maybe? That or it is just an irrelevant detail and the game is just asking you to pick a character, which is likely, but I thought I would mention it anyway. 2. As others have probably mentioned, Nancy says she has know the captain for a long time, which should be impossible. We know Crescent has three of those boxes, so maybe the captain is made from one of those? Or maybe he just knows Crescent, so Nancy and the captain are just pretending to know each other, while Crescent keeps a low profile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 hours ago, pizzagod13 said: Amanda at this point is presumably already the fake, and this same fake claims they have been watching the MC since before they came to the region, I.E. they know who the MC is, so they want to ask what the MC thinks they look like for confirmation maybe? That or it is just an irrelevant detail and the game is just asking you to pick a character, which is likely, but I thought I would mention it anyway. She is fake by this point, yeah. IIRC when we free real Amanda she says it's the first time she see us. Well, simple explanation would be that it was a voice call or one side had video feed and other didnt, but i think Jan and co didnt bother making a lore reason for picking a character. Which could happen with Nancy instead of Amanda, which would fix a lot of things. 3 hours ago, pizzagod13 said: 2. As others have probably mentioned, Nancy says she has know the captain for a long time, which should be impossible. We know Crescent has three of those boxes, so maybe the captain is made from one of those? Or maybe he just knows Crescent, so Nancy and the captain are just pretending to know each other, while Crescent keeps a low profile? Okay, i might not be remembering this correctly, but i believe Augustus really did recognize whoever Nancy was, however she did not have any memory of Augustus since she is a Maid that uses this body currently, so she just went with the flow and basically nodded to everything Augustus mumbled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, Cyphre said: She is fake by this point, yeah. IIRC when we free real Amanda she says it's the first time she see us. Well, simple explanation would be that it was a voice call or one side had video feed and other didnt, but i think Jan and co didnt bother making a lore reason for picking a character. Which could happen with Nancy instead of Amanda, which would fix a lot of things. Okay, i might not be remembering this correctly, but i believe Augustus really did recognize whoever Nancy was, however she did not have any memory of Augustus since she is a Maid that uses this body currently, so she just went with the flow and basically nodded to everything Augustus mumbled. Ah, I never considered that Nancy would also have originally been a real person, I guess that makes sense, I thought she was just a maid (never was a real person), but since she was made from one of the boxes, it makes sense for her to be like the MC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 One interesting thing I have noticed replaying this game is that despite the fact that Clear and Kieran claim to fight for oblivion in the evil cutscene, this does not seem to connect with what we have seen Madame X doing... Madame X helps save the world from destruction twice, once by stopping the bombing and again by helping to revert the future you and Melia created. Kanon also claims to have been tipped off about Vitus by a women in a mask (presumably Madame X) who claims that Vitus is the cause of the destruction of the future (which may or may not be true tbh). If Team Xen really wanted to bring back strom-9 like everyone seems to think, then why would they not be working with Vitus? Don't they both want the same thing? Which leads me to believe that they don't and that Madame X either does not really want destruction, or she wants it to be in a certain way. If it is the first option, then Clear and Kieran are lying to Madame X or they are lying to the evil MC, if she wants destruction in a specific way, then everything lines up fine. Personally, I feel like it makes more sense for Clear and Kieran to be secretly working against Madame X to destroy everything, after all when they ask you to join them they don't say Team Xen, they say something like "our team"... They also recruited Nim, who is storm-9 to help them, which makes them even more suspicious. Edit 2: Oh and I guess it is worth mentioning that Clear and Kieran say something along the lines of "we took a risk contacting you". How is contacting you a risk? If you refuse they lose nothing, and if you accept they gain a powerful ally... unless, they are not supposed to be having you join them... in which case the risk would be Madame X finding out what they are doing... Honestly was just something that I thought of that I wanted to bring up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 3:00 AM, pizzagod13 said: One interesting thing I have noticed replaying this game is that despite the fact that Clear and Kieran claim to fight for oblivion in the evil cutscene, this does not seem to connect with what we have seen Madame X doing... Madame X helps save the world from destruction twice, once by stopping the bombing and again by helping to revert the future you and Melia created. Kanon also claims to have been tipped off about Vitus by a women in a mask (presumably Madame X) who claims that Vitus is the cause of the destruction of the future (which may or may not be true tbh). If Team Xen really wanted to bring back strom-9 like everyone seems to think, then why would they not be working with Vitus? Don't they both want the same thing? Which leads me to believe that they don't and that Madame X either does not really want destruction, or she wants it to be in a certain way. If it is the first option, then Clear and Kieran are lying to Madame X or they are lying to the evil MC, if she wants destruction in a specific way, then everything lines up fine. Personally, I feel like it makes more sense for Clear and Kieran to be secretly working against Madame X to destroy everything, after all when they ask you to join them they don't say Team Xen, they say something like "our team"... They also recruited Nim, who is storm-9 to help them, which makes them even more suspicious. Edit 2: Oh and I guess it is worth mentioning that Clear and Kieran say something along the lines of "we took a risk contacting you". How is contacting you a risk? If you refuse they lose nothing, and if you accept they gain a powerful ally... unless, they are not supposed to be having you join them... in which case the risk would be Madame X finding out what they are doing... Honestly was just something that I thought of that I wanted to bring up. Oh and I just saw something else, Nim... errr "Lorna" claims to Lavender that when they find Melia they are going to kill them, which of course, if Clear and Kieran are really using them, why would they let them kill Melia if they were working for Madame X? Madame X needs Melia alive not dead. Of course, I guess Clear and Kieran could've not realized that Lorna would go that far, but they seem like the type to not make that kind of mistake... which reinforces the idea in my head that they might not really be on the same side as Madame X... I guess Lorna could also just be lying to scare Melia but that is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mei-o_Scarlett Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 remember amanda also mentioned melia should have died back then and she works for clear and kierean so that implies something too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mei-o_Scarlett said: remember amanda also mentioned melia should have died back then and she works for clear and kierean so that implies something too I was literally coming here to post that lol, since I just remembered about that too! To me it really seems like they want Melia dead... which contradicts what Madame X wants (granted her plan might kill Melia too, but she needs to capture her alive). If they were really working for Madame X then shouldn't they have just kidnapped her to their base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 They are not working FOR her, they allied since their goals have something in common. Madame X, as far as we know, ultimately need to extract Archetype power for herself from Melia for whatever reason. That does not contradict Clear and Kieran's goals even if they wanted to straight up kill her. Also since we have no idea about true goals of either, they are most likely just using each other and will betray at the first opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Cyphre said: They are not working FOR her, they allied since their goals have something in common. Madame X, as far as we know, ultimately need to extract Archetype power for herself from Melia for whatever reason. That does not contradict Clear and Kieran's goals even if they wanted to straight up kill her. Also since we have no idea about true goals of either, they are most likely just using each other and will betray at the first opportunity. Madame X was furious when Melia supposedly died at the start of the game. If she could still get what she wanted from a dead Melia, then she would not be so angry. If Clear and Kieran killed her too early like they were trying to then presumably whatever Madame X was planning would fail. Fake Amanda literally could have taken Melia to Madame X, but she didn't, she took her to a random factory instead, which tells me that Clear and Kieran don't want Madame X to actually get Melia. Edit: I do agree that they are not really working for her, I feel like they have their own motives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 minute ago, pizzagod13 said: If Clear and Kieran killed her too early like they were trying to then presumably whatever Madame X was planning would fail. Nothing stops them from catching Melia together, let Madame X extract Archetype, then kill Melia. 2 minutes ago, pizzagod13 said: Fake Amanda literally could have taken Melia to Madame X, but she didn't, she took her to a random factory instead, which tells me that Clear and Kieran don't want Madame X to actually get Melia. First of, i dont remember where it was said that robo-Amanda was ever in league with Kieran and Clear. Can i have a line of dialogue that implied or directly said that? Been a while since i played it. Second, i rewatched the entire scene with Amanda just now, and she just needed Melia away for a while so other parts of her plans would be set in motion. She also said that it was all done to stop "xxxxx's plan", which most likely imply Celine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Cyphre said: Nothing stops them from catching Melia together, let Madame X extract Archetype, then kill Melia. First of, i dont remember where it was said that robo-Amanda was ever in league with Kieran and Clear. Can i have a line of dialogue that implied or directly said that? Been a while since i played it. Second, i rewatched the entire scene with Amanda just now, and she just needed Melia away for a while so other parts of her plans would be set in motion. She also said that it was all done to stop "xxxxx's plan", which most likely imply Celine. She was created by one of the box things, and you find her in the hidden Axis lab, so it makes sense that she is with Clear and Kieran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bean 501 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Cyphre said: Second, i rewatched the entire scene with Amanda just now, and she just needed Melia away for a while so other parts of her plans would be set in motion. She also said that it was all done to stop "xxxxx's plan", which most likely imply Celine. That kinda reminds me of how the Stormchasers wanted Melia in the past for Project Rapture. Maybe they're working against Celene and made the fake Amanda to make sure she couldn't stay in the present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 So continuing my replaying of this game, a few extra things came to my mind that I think are worth mentioning. 1. Risa is known to actively fight team Xen, and when your in Zone Zero she attacks Ren for this reason. But that Risa is actually Clear (or was it Kieran, I honestly get the two mixed up lol), the point is that further suggests to me that those two are not really on the same side as Madame X... Afterall if she was then why even bother fighting Team Xen, just be a pop-star or whatever, and keep your disguise simple. Unless of course, the "real" Risa also fought Team Xen, but they only really became active recently, so that doesn't really logically line up, especially considering the real Risa was dying, and in no condition to fight Team Xen... 2. What is up with the forced entry into the tournament? Like literally nothing comes of it, nothing happens at the tournament, and the people in your group that don't show up to it get impersonated by presumably those two dittos or Clear/Kieran, meaning there were no consequences for not showing up. Like, what was the point of someone forcing all of the party to enter? Like the only thing that happens at the same time is the ballroom explosion, but its not like you being entered into the tournament caused that to happen. What I am trying to say is, if you did not get entered into the tournament, the ballroom would have still went "BOOM" and the story would have progressed as normal, minus a gym battle. So was that there goal, to get you to get another badge? Otherwise, I can't think of anything that makes much sense... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, pizzagod13 said: 2. What is up with the forced entry into the tournament? Like literally nothing comes of it, nothing happens at the tournament, and the people in your group that don't show up to it get impersonated by presumably those two dittos or Clear/Kieran, meaning there were no consequences for not showing up. Like, what was the point of someone forcing all of the party to enter? Like the only thing that happens at the same time is the ballroom explosion, but its not like you being entered into the tournament caused that to happen. What I am trying to say is, if you did not get entered into the tournament, the ballroom would have still went "BOOM" and the story would have progressed as normal, minus a gym battle. So was that there goal, to get you to get another badge? Otherwise, I can't think of anything that makes much sense... I'm pretty sure it's implied that if we didnt go to the tournament, we could interfere with the boom. Duo is not on the same side as Xen, they just allied for common cause couple of times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Cyphre said: I'm pretty sure it's implied that if we didnt go to the tournament, we could interfere with the boom. Duo is not on the same side as Xen, they just allied for common cause couple of times. They seem to not be on the same side, but when they ask you to join you, it brings up two pictures for you to choose from, one of which shows those two AND madame X, the other shows your friends. If they are not really on the same side, then the chosen image is a bit weird... As for the tournament interference thing, I guess maybe, how would you even get in without a ticket, I guess you could force your way in, but stopping bombs from being detonated remotely seems beyond your powers, especially since you don't even know where Flora is (unless you joined bladestar). I am guessing it was the puppet master who forced you to go to the tournament then, since they were the one who gave Melia and Erin the tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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