Cyphre Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 3 hours ago, pizzagod13 said: Amanda at this point is presumably already the fake, and this same fake claims they have been watching the MC since before they came to the region, I.E. they know who the MC is, so they want to ask what the MC thinks they look like for confirmation maybe? That or it is just an irrelevant detail and the game is just asking you to pick a character, which is likely, but I thought I would mention it anyway. She is fake by this point, yeah. IIRC when we free real Amanda she says it's the first time she see us. Well, simple explanation would be that it was a voice call or one side had video feed and other didnt, but i think Jan and co didnt bother making a lore reason for picking a character. Which could happen with Nancy instead of Amanda, which would fix a lot of things. 3 hours ago, pizzagod13 said: 2. As others have probably mentioned, Nancy says she has know the captain for a long time, which should be impossible. We know Crescent has three of those boxes, so maybe the captain is made from one of those? Or maybe he just knows Crescent, so Nancy and the captain are just pretending to know each other, while Crescent keeps a low profile? Okay, i might not be remembering this correctly, but i believe Augustus really did recognize whoever Nancy was, however she did not have any memory of Augustus since she is a Maid that uses this body currently, so she just went with the flow and basically nodded to everything Augustus mumbled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 33 minutes ago, Cyphre said: She is fake by this point, yeah. IIRC when we free real Amanda she says it's the first time she see us. Well, simple explanation would be that it was a voice call or one side had video feed and other didnt, but i think Jan and co didnt bother making a lore reason for picking a character. Which could happen with Nancy instead of Amanda, which would fix a lot of things. Okay, i might not be remembering this correctly, but i believe Augustus really did recognize whoever Nancy was, however she did not have any memory of Augustus since she is a Maid that uses this body currently, so she just went with the flow and basically nodded to everything Augustus mumbled. Ah, I never considered that Nancy would also have originally been a real person, I guess that makes sense, I thought she was just a maid (never was a real person), but since she was made from one of the boxes, it makes sense for her to be like the MC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 One interesting thing I have noticed replaying this game is that despite the fact that Clear and Kieran claim to fight for oblivion in the evil cutscene, this does not seem to connect with what we have seen Madame X doing... Madame X helps save the world from destruction twice, once by stopping the bombing and again by helping to revert the future you and Melia created. Kanon also claims to have been tipped off about Vitus by a women in a mask (presumably Madame X) who claims that Vitus is the cause of the destruction of the future (which may or may not be true tbh). If Team Xen really wanted to bring back strom-9 like everyone seems to think, then why would they not be working with Vitus? Don't they both want the same thing? Which leads me to believe that they don't and that Madame X either does not really want destruction, or she wants it to be in a certain way. If it is the first option, then Clear and Kieran are lying to Madame X or they are lying to the evil MC, if she wants destruction in a specific way, then everything lines up fine. Personally, I feel like it makes more sense for Clear and Kieran to be secretly working against Madame X to destroy everything, after all when they ask you to join them they don't say Team Xen, they say something like "our team"... They also recruited Nim, who is storm-9 to help them, which makes them even more suspicious. Edit 2: Oh and I guess it is worth mentioning that Clear and Kieran say something along the lines of "we took a risk contacting you". How is contacting you a risk? If you refuse they lose nothing, and if you accept they gain a powerful ally... unless, they are not supposed to be having you join them... in which case the risk would be Madame X finding out what they are doing... Honestly was just something that I thought of that I wanted to bring up. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 3:00 AM, pizzagod13 said: One interesting thing I have noticed replaying this game is that despite the fact that Clear and Kieran claim to fight for oblivion in the evil cutscene, this does not seem to connect with what we have seen Madame X doing... Madame X helps save the world from destruction twice, once by stopping the bombing and again by helping to revert the future you and Melia created. Kanon also claims to have been tipped off about Vitus by a women in a mask (presumably Madame X) who claims that Vitus is the cause of the destruction of the future (which may or may not be true tbh). If Team Xen really wanted to bring back strom-9 like everyone seems to think, then why would they not be working with Vitus? Don't they both want the same thing? Which leads me to believe that they don't and that Madame X either does not really want destruction, or she wants it to be in a certain way. If it is the first option, then Clear and Kieran are lying to Madame X or they are lying to the evil MC, if she wants destruction in a specific way, then everything lines up fine. Personally, I feel like it makes more sense for Clear and Kieran to be secretly working against Madame X to destroy everything, after all when they ask you to join them they don't say Team Xen, they say something like "our team"... They also recruited Nim, who is storm-9 to help them, which makes them even more suspicious. Edit 2: Oh and I guess it is worth mentioning that Clear and Kieran say something along the lines of "we took a risk contacting you". How is contacting you a risk? If you refuse they lose nothing, and if you accept they gain a powerful ally... unless, they are not supposed to be having you join them... in which case the risk would be Madame X finding out what they are doing... Honestly was just something that I thought of that I wanted to bring up. Oh and I just saw something else, Nim... errr "Lorna" claims to Lavender that when they find Melia they are going to kill them, which of course, if Clear and Kieran are really using them, why would they let them kill Melia if they were working for Madame X? Madame X needs Melia alive not dead. Of course, I guess Clear and Kieran could've not realized that Lorna would go that far, but they seem like the type to not make that kind of mistake... which reinforces the idea in my head that they might not really be on the same side as Madame X... I guess Lorna could also just be lying to scare Melia but that is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mei-o_Scarlett Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 remember amanda also mentioned melia should have died back then and she works for clear and kierean so that implies something too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Mei-o_Scarlett said: remember amanda also mentioned melia should have died back then and she works for clear and kierean so that implies something too I was literally coming here to post that lol, since I just remembered about that too! To me it really seems like they want Melia dead... which contradicts what Madame X wants (granted her plan might kill Melia too, but she needs to capture her alive). If they were really working for Madame X then shouldn't they have just kidnapped her to their base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 They are not working FOR her, they allied since their goals have something in common. Madame X, as far as we know, ultimately need to extract Archetype power for herself from Melia for whatever reason. That does not contradict Clear and Kieran's goals even if they wanted to straight up kill her. Also since we have no idea about true goals of either, they are most likely just using each other and will betray at the first opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 11 hours ago, Cyphre said: They are not working FOR her, they allied since their goals have something in common. Madame X, as far as we know, ultimately need to extract Archetype power for herself from Melia for whatever reason. That does not contradict Clear and Kieran's goals even if they wanted to straight up kill her. Also since we have no idea about true goals of either, they are most likely just using each other and will betray at the first opportunity. Madame X was furious when Melia supposedly died at the start of the game. If she could still get what she wanted from a dead Melia, then she would not be so angry. If Clear and Kieran killed her too early like they were trying to then presumably whatever Madame X was planning would fail. Fake Amanda literally could have taken Melia to Madame X, but she didn't, she took her to a random factory instead, which tells me that Clear and Kieran don't want Madame X to actually get Melia. Edit: I do agree that they are not really working for her, I feel like they have their own motives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 minute ago, pizzagod13 said: If Clear and Kieran killed her too early like they were trying to then presumably whatever Madame X was planning would fail. Nothing stops them from catching Melia together, let Madame X extract Archetype, then kill Melia. 2 minutes ago, pizzagod13 said: Fake Amanda literally could have taken Melia to Madame X, but she didn't, she took her to a random factory instead, which tells me that Clear and Kieran don't want Madame X to actually get Melia. First of, i dont remember where it was said that robo-Amanda was ever in league with Kieran and Clear. Can i have a line of dialogue that implied or directly said that? Been a while since i played it. Second, i rewatched the entire scene with Amanda just now, and she just needed Melia away for a while so other parts of her plans would be set in motion. She also said that it was all done to stop "xxxxx's plan", which most likely imply Celine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Cyphre said: Nothing stops them from catching Melia together, let Madame X extract Archetype, then kill Melia. First of, i dont remember where it was said that robo-Amanda was ever in league with Kieran and Clear. Can i have a line of dialogue that implied or directly said that? Been a while since i played it. Second, i rewatched the entire scene with Amanda just now, and she just needed Melia away for a while so other parts of her plans would be set in motion. She also said that it was all done to stop "xxxxx's plan", which most likely imply Celine. She was created by one of the box things, and you find her in the hidden Axis lab, so it makes sense that she is with Clear and Kieran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bean 501 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Cyphre said: Second, i rewatched the entire scene with Amanda just now, and she just needed Melia away for a while so other parts of her plans would be set in motion. She also said that it was all done to stop "xxxxx's plan", which most likely imply Celine. That kinda reminds me of how the Stormchasers wanted Melia in the past for Project Rapture. Maybe they're working against Celene and made the fake Amanda to make sure she couldn't stay in the present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 So continuing my replaying of this game, a few extra things came to my mind that I think are worth mentioning. 1. Risa is known to actively fight team Xen, and when your in Zone Zero she attacks Ren for this reason. But that Risa is actually Clear (or was it Kieran, I honestly get the two mixed up lol), the point is that further suggests to me that those two are not really on the same side as Madame X... Afterall if she was then why even bother fighting Team Xen, just be a pop-star or whatever, and keep your disguise simple. Unless of course, the "real" Risa also fought Team Xen, but they only really became active recently, so that doesn't really logically line up, especially considering the real Risa was dying, and in no condition to fight Team Xen... 2. What is up with the forced entry into the tournament? Like literally nothing comes of it, nothing happens at the tournament, and the people in your group that don't show up to it get impersonated by presumably those two dittos or Clear/Kieran, meaning there were no consequences for not showing up. Like, what was the point of someone forcing all of the party to enter? Like the only thing that happens at the same time is the ballroom explosion, but its not like you being entered into the tournament caused that to happen. What I am trying to say is, if you did not get entered into the tournament, the ballroom would have still went "BOOM" and the story would have progressed as normal, minus a gym battle. So was that there goal, to get you to get another badge? Otherwise, I can't think of anything that makes much sense... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, pizzagod13 said: 2. What is up with the forced entry into the tournament? Like literally nothing comes of it, nothing happens at the tournament, and the people in your group that don't show up to it get impersonated by presumably those two dittos or Clear/Kieran, meaning there were no consequences for not showing up. Like, what was the point of someone forcing all of the party to enter? Like the only thing that happens at the same time is the ballroom explosion, but its not like you being entered into the tournament caused that to happen. What I am trying to say is, if you did not get entered into the tournament, the ballroom would have still went "BOOM" and the story would have progressed as normal, minus a gym battle. So was that there goal, to get you to get another badge? Otherwise, I can't think of anything that makes much sense... I'm pretty sure it's implied that if we didnt go to the tournament, we could interfere with the boom. Duo is not on the same side as Xen, they just allied for common cause couple of times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Cyphre said: I'm pretty sure it's implied that if we didnt go to the tournament, we could interfere with the boom. Duo is not on the same side as Xen, they just allied for common cause couple of times. They seem to not be on the same side, but when they ask you to join you, it brings up two pictures for you to choose from, one of which shows those two AND madame X, the other shows your friends. If they are not really on the same side, then the chosen image is a bit weird... As for the tournament interference thing, I guess maybe, how would you even get in without a ticket, I guess you could force your way in, but stopping bombs from being detonated remotely seems beyond your powers, especially since you don't even know where Flora is (unless you joined bladestar). I am guessing it was the puppet master who forced you to go to the tournament then, since they were the one who gave Melia and Erin the tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bean 501 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, pizzagod13 said: As for the tournament interference thing, I guess maybe, how would you even get in without a ticket, I guess you could force your way in, but stopping bombs from being detonated remotely seems beyond your powers, especially since you don't even know where Flora is (unless you joined bladestar). I am guessing it was the puppet master who forced you to go to the tournament then, since they were the one who gave Melia and Erin the tickets? Apparently there was some sort of interview conducted with the participants to make sure they weren't being impersonated. And that seriously makes me question how Cosmia and Cosmo were able to act like 5 or 6 different people without raising any suspicions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzagod13 Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Green Bean 501 said: Apparently there was some sort of interview conducted with the participants to make sure they weren't being impersonated. And that seriously makes me question how Cosmia and Cosmo were able to act like 5 or 6 different people without raising any suspicions The interviewers don't know any of the main cast, so it wouldn't be THAT hard. Also, Risa Rider in Zone Zero says that Venam and Aelita showed up at the tournament, but Venam did not act like herself. So they clearly did not try that hard to impersonate any of you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Gallade Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Good evening, I don't know if it's been mentioned before but let's focus on the prophecies, specifically the dark one. It's said that the 4 darknesses are, one who embodies greed, one who embodies pure evil, one who embodies obsession and one who embodies betrayal. I'm practically sure that: - The one of pure evil is Cassandra - The one of greed is Mr Blakeory - The one of obsession is Dr Isha (he's so obsessed with his success rate, he's ready to do everything, even illegal stuff, to maintain it.) As of the one of betrayal, we thought it was Ren, but it could be Reina, or none of them, I'm really not sure about these two. Blakeory and Isha are both partners of Cassandra. Does that mean the one of betrayal has also a connection with team Xen? If yes, that means it could be Ren? Not sure about that. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we'll have more interactions with Mr Blakeory and Dr Isha, I really don't think it's the last time we've heard of them. They're both in prison, but nothing says they won't be able to escape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Bean 501 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 33 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said: Good evening, I don't know if it's been mentioned before but let's focus on the prophecies, specifically the dark one. It's said that the 4 darknesses are, one who embodies greed, one who embodies pure evil, one who embodies obsession and one who embodies betrayal. I'm practically sure that: - The one of pure evil is Cassandra - The one of greed is Mr Blakeory - The one of obsession is Dr Isha (he's so obsessed with his success rate, he's ready to do everything, even illegal stuff, to maintain it.) As of the one of betrayal, we thought it was Ren, but it could be Reina, or none of them, I'm really not sure about these two. Blakeory and Isha are both partners of Cassandra. Does that mean the one of betrayal has also a connection with team Xen? If yes, that means it could be Ren? Not sure about that. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we'll have more interactions with Mr Blakeory and Dr Isha, I really don't think it's the last time we've heard of them. They're both in prison, but nothing says they won't be able to escape Betrayal could be Madame X, since a lot of people speculate that she's Melia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Gallade Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Green Bean 501 said: Betrayal could be Madame X, since a lot of people speculate that she's Melia It's impossible since the prophecy says that the four darknesses are all born of man, which isn't Melia's case as she and Erin, Allen and Alice don't have biological parents. The four lights are not born of man. Plus, the fortune teller under GDC says that the MC along with 3 people will eventually fight a female, and one of those 3 people is someone whose soul is as golden as Arceus' light, most certainly Melia since she's a part of the Archetype. As of Madame X, well, if she's Melia, then she isn't born of man too, therefore can't be a darkness.. Which is weird since she's (apparently) a villain Edited April 8, 2022 by Sir_Gallade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 There were quite a lot of discussions over time, im gonna introduce a topic i started back then with a sum of the info we had and other people speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulN7 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 12 hours ago, Sir_Gallade said: It's impossible since the prophecy says that the four darknesses are all born of man, which isn't Melia's case as she and Erin, Allen and Alice don't have biological parents. The four lights are not born of man. Plus, the fortune teller under GDC says that the MC along with 3 people will eventually fight a female, and one of those 3 people is someone whose soul is as golden as Arceus' light, most certainly Melia since she's a part of the Archetype. As of Madame X, well, if she's Melia, then she isn't born of man too, therefore can't be a darkness.. Which is weird since she's (apparently) a villain Strangely enough, with GDC's fortuneteller, we might know 3 of these lights: The strongest one, which I think it's Interceptor, so us, after all his powers are still unknown, due to the low informations about Adrest, the "second half of the original deity who died not long after his survival to the meteorite" and the Interceptor's "true form" I guess. The one with a golden soul could be easily Melia or even Erin, Allen and Alice, but I highly doubt that. The one with the desire of leading others is Aelita. The last one is someone who lost its lost one, but still unknown. About the lights not born from man, the first 3 currently match the criteria: The MC was dead long ago, but taken back to life thanks to Crescent's magic, plus Adrest's soul with him and MC's true soul that was "taken from another world", sure the dude/gal had gone through a lot to be alive. Maria, Allen, Erin and Alice were all taken to life thanks to Archetype's powers, so they are not completely born from man. Plus, Melia's origins are still unknown. Aelita is only Vivian and Taelia's reircanation due to Vivian's Curse, so there is anything related to man in her birth. The last soul is problematic: Ren, Reina, Amber and Venam are surely not, due to all being born from man, after all. Huey is still unknown how he was born, but I highly doubt he has powers or something. By most chances, Crescent could fill very well these criterias, despite her actitude and her unknown origins. But she had lost her loved one, NPC MC and the others, after all: they were all merged into one, with our choosen MC the only one conscious. Nim is another choice, but...she's literally Storm-9 and, despite her being Nymiera's reircarnation, there is something suspicious in her powers. I don't know, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mei-o_Scarlett Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 huey could have powers i suspect i have a feeling rune giving him powers in the dream world isnt JUST because of bias its prob foreshadowing huey can do some wacky shit since hes lord xenadins reincarnation(theory) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulN7 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 57 minutes ago, Mei-o_Scarlett said: huey could have powers i suspect i have a feeling rune giving him powers in the dream world isnt JUST because of bias its prob foreshadowing huey can do some wacky shit since hes lord xenadins reincarnation(theory) Mmm...it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Gallade Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Hi guys, I have some other theories about Vitus and team Xen. We know that vitus takes Ralts from the Miera region. That means he's been there at some point, probably living there too, maybe? We also know that wherever this dude is, something bad happens. Now I actually have a VERY far fetched theory. Could Vitus be that Lord Xenadin, leader of the original Team Xen? Yeah, Xenadin died in that accident at the Miera power plant, but what if he didn't? After all, Sirius/Vitus is supposed to have died in the wispy tower fire, but Erin is positive he's alive and out there, somewhere. So it seems easy for him to fake his death, and if he did it at the wispy tower, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it before with the Miera incident. Now, about Madame X. Some theories say that she could be a (corrupted) version of Maria or Erin. This actually would make sense if my previous theory of Xenadin is true. When we beat her at Blacksteeple Castle, she says "father, I have lost". If Madame X is the daughter of Xenadin, it can only make sense that those two persons are respectively Maria/Erin and Vitus. Of course I can be completely wrong. Also, as Melia, when you're in the Blakeory library with Erin, you learn that team Xen and the Blakeory have some sort of connection, and that the Miera power plant was owned by the Blakeory. We know that there was a rivalry between the Theolia and the Blakeory, and that the power plant had that meltdown because of a team Xen raid. Now, who would benefit from destroying a Blakeory property? I also noticed something with team Xen grunts. Apparently Madame X can erase them, make them disappear. This actually reminds me of the Servants that are garufan spells. They can be deleted when they fail their mission, which is also the case for Xen grunts who fail their mission remember that grunt who was living in the garufan ruins under Carotos? As soon as he stepped outside, he felt like he was about to be deleted, saying that it must be the protective spell of the ruins that protected him. And I think that Madame X would just erase anyone who tries to get in her way if she really wants to succeed, but it seems she can only do that to the grunts... I'm really suspecting that team Xen and the Garufas have some sort of connection, for now we can just wait for the updates to answer our questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulN7 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said: Now I actually have a VERY far fetched theory. Could Vitus be that Lord Xenadin, leader of the original Team Xen? Yeah, Xenadin died in that accident at the Miera power plant, but what if he didn't? After all, Sirius/Vitus is supposed to have died in the wispy tower fire, but Erin is positive he's alive and out there, somewhere. So it seems easy for him to fake his death, and if he did it at the wispy tower, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it before with the Miera incident. Actually, it seems like that there's more chances that Huey is Lord Xenadin's reircarnation after his death there, so despite what you said makes sense, I think Vitus was not there at the accident. OR. He made the same thing with Young Mr Blakeory and "corrupted" Lord Xenadin to do the attack. 7 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said: Now, about Madame X. Some theories say that she could be a (corrupted) version of Maria or Erin. This actually would make sense if my previous theory of Xenadin is true. When we beat her at Blacksteeple Castle, she says "father, I have lost". If Madame X is the daughter of Xenadin, it can only make sense that those two persons are respectively Maria/Erin and Vitus. Of course I can be completely wrong. If Sakibot's quest was completed and she beated Amanda, she will appear at Eclypsia Pyramid and attack Madame X, cracking the helmet, showing part of her face: red eyes and black hair. We know that Anathea, originally, had black hair too, maybe she lost her "power", I don't know. Luckily enough, the dev team made Yveltal's battle 100% possible in all of the modes, since Decimation cannot one-shot anymore and it's its only move (Bronzong, Froslass, it's your turn to beat the bird), so we can see the lose dialogue. "Father, I have lost", makes sense to be much more Maria for me, since Melanie mentioned Father and (pay attention to this) Madame X even knew what would happen if someone got too physical contact with her. The only one I know Vitus can manipulate easily is Maria, thanks to prologue and Marianette's events, with her forgetting everything happened before. 20 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said: I also noticed something with team Xen grunts. Apparently Madame X can erase them, make them disappear. This actually reminds me of the Servants that are garufan spells. They can be deleted when they fail their mission, which is also the case for Xen grunts who fail their mission remember that grunt who was living in the garufan ruins under Carotos? As soon as he stepped outside, he felt like he was about to be deleted, saying that it must be the protective spell of the ruins that protected him. And I think that Madame X would just erase anyone who tries to get in her way if she really wants to succeed, but it seems she can only do that to the grunts... I'm really suspecting that team Xen and the Garufas have some sort of connection, for now we can just wait for the updates to answer our questions. Gardevoir knew about Garufan spells, so, if she knew, Vitus probably did. And, if Madame X has something with Vitus (Yveltal with Soul Stone...mmmmh...), she probably knew them too. Makes sense for Ren, Madelis, Eli and Sharon not quit, even if they wanted to do it, plus the Deathwing knew that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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