Theory Crafting Thread

[TheHellHamster 9]

I'm not saying that Arceus couldn't have made a being like the Interceptor if they wanted to, I'm saying we have evidence that they didn't and that the Interceptor is a product of the science of the people who made the springs, the Archive, and the Core.

 

Honestly I wouldn't be that surprised if the Interceptor being a 'last resort' when the universe is in danger turns out to be false and something the Garufa made up to try and explain an otherworldly entity they didn't understand.

[Display name 58]

That actually makes a lot of sense

 

but we know that multiple interceptors exist the other possibility is that the core lets the subjects emulate interceptors. Which might explain the existence of the interceptor

[TheHellHamster 9]

Another possibility could be that while Interceptors do come to judge the world when necessary the Core is able to 'force' them into the world even if they aren't needed.

Edited August 9 by TheHellHamster

[TheHellHamster 9]

The talk about which character could be what pokémon made me realise something. The MC is pretty similar to Nihilego, they are a mysterious being from another world with the ability to control others. Nihilego is also said to possibly not be sentient which reminded me of the MC's notable lack of a personality. I'm not sure if this means anything but I thought it was interesting and worth mentioning.

[Display name 58]

When we say the MC has a lack of personality we ignore very human moments such as the MC's refusal to leave the room after Nancy's death or when they got surprised when nymeria mentioned aderest

[Crystalrage 74]

The MC sometimes seems to be lacking personality because it happens in almost most pokemon games. The protag doesn't talk much or show much emotions. But this doesn't mean that they don't have emotions. I find MC and Aelita to be kinda similar. Both have special powers, both jut popped into existence and both are a result of some sort of magic/ritual/science

Edited August 10 by Crystalrage

[Between Life and Death 27]

One thing I don't get is: why did Isha have Giratina? Like, what was the significance of that plot-wise? I had previously assumed that if you didn't release Giratina then Isha would hold onto it indefinitely. But now I've seen what happens if you don't release Giratina (thanks, Nine Icy Tails), and it just escapes after the Isha battle. So what was the significance of Isha having it in the first place? Because the whole thing felt shoehorned in, since it was completely unrelated to Isha's memory experiments. And Giratina ended up exactly where it was before Isha caught it: released and running free. So will there be any relevance to Giratina being in the Hospital of Hope, or was that just unnecessary padding?

[TheHellHamster 9]

14 hours ago, Display name said:

When we say the MC has a lack of personality we ignore very human moments such as the MC's refusal to leave the room after Nancy's death or when they got surprised when nymeria mentioned aderest

I suppose I was referring more to how they seem to have lost whatever personality they used to have, still a very valid point though.

Speaking of which, does the flashback with Aria and Axel change based on the name you've chosen? (I'd assume not?) Because this would mean that along with their past and personality the MC has also forgotten their name right?

[Display name 58]

yeah since the amount of memories can be overwhelming the interceptor represses the memories so they can judge fairly and so they don't have what happened at the pyramid

(a previous interceptor using the current one to talk out of)

[Between Life and Death 27]

17 hours ago, Display name said:

When we say the MC has a lack of personality we ignore very human moments such as the MC's refusal to leave the room after Nancy's death or when they got surprised when nymeria mentioned aderest

Those are the exceptions that prove the rule

[TheHellHamster 9]

9 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

One thing I don't get is: why did Isha have Giratina? Like, what was the significance of that plot-wise? I had previously assumed that if you didn't release Giratina then Isha would hold onto it indefinitely. But now I've seen what happens if you don't release Giratina (thanks, Nine Icy Tails), and it just escapes after the Isha battle. So what was the significance of Isha having it in the first place? Because the whole thing felt shoehorned in, since it was completely unrelated to Isha's memory experiments. And Giratina ended up exactly where it was before Isha caught it: released and running free. So will there be any relevance to Giratina being in the Hospital of Hope, or was that just unnecessary padding?

The only thing I can think of would be if it was somehow related to his 'gift'. Personally my question is how did he get Giratina in the first place? I mean Indriad makes sense because he has magic and stuff but Isha is just a guy, albeit a guy with some advanced memory tech but nothing that would let him catch and store a legendary without anyone knowing.

Edited August 11 by TheHellHamster

[Display name 58]

4 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

Those are the exceptions that prove the rule

Sure but we can’t ignore the dialogue choice options that we get. Like talking to valarie 

[Between Life and Death 27]

7 hours ago, TheHellHamster said:

The only thing I can think of would be if it was somehow related to his 'gift'. Personally my question is how did he get Giratina in the first place? I mean Indriad makes sense because he has magic and stuff but Isha is just a guy, albeit a guy with some advanced memory tech but nothing that would let him catch and store a legendary without anyone knowing.

Ooh, I didn't think about the gift. He may have gotten Giratina before he started with the vaccines. (What would be in the vaccines then? A serum somehow related to Griselda?)

 

I agree about how he got Giratina. The doctors just say he "caught" it, which is a bit preposterous. I would have preferred if Crescent had actually caught Giratina on Valor Mountain--then Freya could have stolen it and handed it over to Isha. But maybe we have a better explanation coming our way.

[Feng Lei 52]

My thought on the way the main character behaves, and seems to lack the Interceptor power to avoid death, whereby Crescent saves us on Valor Mountain, even though it should have been our Interceptor abilities to do the trick... is that the Core is damaged from Indriad's Gift. Maybe Crescent is something more than an ordinary Interceptor. She might be someone high ranking in the project that created them, or maybe even a higher-ranking entity, like a Commander or Admin class Interceptor. Perhaps her functions put strain on the Core system and so she wasn't activated until things got dire. And the MC is the only one of the others left who can function, or didn't "fail" for the final time.

 

She seems to indicate from the very beginning on the Oceania that there is not much time left for either of us. Why the hell is that? Nancy seems to know, but there's a lot about her that's mysterious too. And she is never around long enough to explain, and promised she wouldn't to Crescent, anyway. Then her nightmare is about running out of time, and something going to be "soon, soon..." She may be directly linked to the Core in a way that lets her see it's current status. She knows too much and look what kind of person she is. Maybe THAT is why the MC Interceptor is not given memories or understands their place. The truth, and the doomsday clock that could well be with it, might drive us mad or to panic-driven, and therefore sub-optimal, choices.

 

Another thing about Indriad's Gift: I would swear it's connected to Voidal Chasm. And the chasm is SPREADING, and UNDERGROUND. Just like the Core and its associated systems... maybe it is being steadily eroded away... and we have nothing to stop it. Indriad always seems to get away and accomplish what he needs to in order for the Gift to manifest, and indeed, seems like it happens VERY soon after losing Anathea.

[TheHellHamster 9]

I thought that Crescent 'saving' us at Valor was just her lying to our face to keep us out of the way since we come back to life without anyone's help at Blacksteeple. Though her threat about us not coming back next time could be real considering how we haven't damaged that version of the Core since then.

 

I agree with you that the Voidal Chasm is probably going to be very important in the future, but I don't remember it being said that it was spreading, where did it say that?

[Display name 58]

Our character has saved himself from death seemingly knowing we couldn't die. The reason I believe this is that during the dark future we seemingly protect melia by killing ourself. Our interceptor is in my opinion is probably of a higher rank than other interceptors. Correct me if I am wrong but cresent died after valor mountain killed by freya. After her death we traveled to the dark future and died since freya knows about the interceptors and cresent might be dead for good we in our dark future death we shouldn't have come back. There are 2 possibilities here 1 that our character is the interceptor of interceptors or we are the core. First lets talk about the grand interceptor possibility we know that interceptors are supposed to judge not interfere we clearly interfere in everything and can access memories of other interceptors. Now the other more far fetched theory of us being the core. We know of the core takes enough damage the interceptors become mortal we know since the core is what gives interceptors their power it has to see their memories and minds as of now only our character has demonstrated the abilty to know things it shouldn't know and finally what or who the core is was never specified. So those are my 2 theories on it

[Feng Lei 52]

4 hours ago, TheHellHamster said:

I thought that Crescent 'saving' us at Valor was just her lying to our face to keep us out of the way since we come back to life without anyone's help at Blacksteeple. Though her threat about us not coming back next time could be real considering how we haven't damaged that version of the Core since then.

 

I agree with you that the Voidal Chasm is probably going to be very important in the future, but I don't remember it being said that it was spreading, where did it say that?

I... don't know. But I'm fairly sure someone mentioned it was slowly growing bigger. No idea who mentions it. Lots of people reference it at one point or another in later episodes so it's hard. Perhaps one of the bladestar grunts who dump the MC in it? Or the guy who researches it? It feels like maybe it was Ren. I destinctly recall reading in the game that it's slowly getting bigger. But I could easily be misremembering.

 

It does bring one to wonder. Maybe Melanie was lying about destroying all the land, and it was in fact falling into the sea because chasms were opening up same as what happened to Alamissa Urban. That right there gives evidence that maybe the dungeon is spreading.

 

Oh. I just realized something important.

 

Vivian. Vivian is/was connected to the EARTH. Voidal Chasm is in the earth itself. So if Voidal Chasm is directly connected to Indriad's Gift... would be very vulnerable to Vivian's sacrificial protection spell...

[Elucidative 36]

I'm sure a decent number of people are aware of this, but it's very relevant to this thread. There are lots of little hints and nuggets over at Jan's Tumblr, where he answers fan-submitted questions. Just today, there were a couple responses from him that are quite topical:

 

 

 

Perhaps this question was even motivated by the "Is the Interceptor the MC or the human being behind the computer screen" discussion that happened recently in this thread.

 

 

 

A lot of people independently come to the conclusion that in the origin story that Nymiera tells you in her house, the Man and the Woman are Vitus and Nymiera, but this confirms it (the Woman part, at least) and adds a bit more flavor to Nymiera's character. (Also, it wasn't until I was replaying the game recently that I realized it was "Nymiera" and not "Nymeria".)

 

 

I know that Jan knows that his responses are being watched carefully. He needs to not spoil anything major in his answers, but in addition to this, he has had many oppotunities to answer questions in such a way that would cause people (see: the people posting in this thread, which is a group that I am now a member of) to spiral down the Theory Rabbit Hole as he sits back and laughs. If I were in Jan's position, I certainly would have been tempted to take some of those opportunities.

Edited August 15 by MattL

[Display name 58]

12 hours ago, MattL said:

 

A lot of people independently come to the conclusion that in the origin story that Nymeria tells you in her house, the Man and the Woman are Vitus and Nymiera, but this confirms it (the Woman part, at least) and adds a bit more flavor to Nymiera's character. (Also, it wasn't until I was replaying the game recently that I realized it was "Nymiera" and not "Nymeria".)

The 2 possibilities are that nymeria ans nymiera are different or that nymiera changed her name to nymeria

[Between Life and Death 27]

I wanna know more about Amber and Tesla. Are we sure they're safe? That interaction with Hazuki was really weird; it's the first time we met her in the present, and why would she of all people be concerned about Tesla's safety?

 

I'm suspecting Hazuki was actually Cera in disguise. Because I think Cera is either a brainwashed Hazuki or a replica of her created via Garufan magic. In which case, Angie would have kidnapped Tesla and Amber.

[Itamar 0]

On 8/15/2020 at 3:25 AM, MattL said:

I'm sure a decent number of people are aware of this, but it's very relevant to this thread. There are lots of little hints and nuggets over at Jan's Tumblr, where he answers fan-submitted questions. Just today, there were a couple responses from him that are quite topical:

 

 

 

Perhaps this question was even motivated by the "Is the Interceptor the MC or the human being behind the computer screen" discussion that happened recently in this thread.

 

 

 

A lot of people independently come to the conclusion that in the origin story that Nymiera tells you in her house, the Man and the Woman are Vitus and Nymiera, but this confirms it (the Woman part, at least) and adds a bit more flavor to Nymiera's character. (Also, it wasn't until I was replaying the game recently that I realized it was "Nymiera" and not "Nymeria".)

 

 

I know that Jan knows that his responses are being watched carefully. He needs to not spoil anything major in his answers, but in addition to this, he has had many oppotunities to answer questions in such a way that would cause people (see: the people posting in this thread, which is a group that I am now a member of) to spiral down the Theory Rabbit Hole as he sits back and laughs. If I were in Jan's position, I certainly would have been tempted to take some of those opportunities.

I have a theory about Nymiera and Alexandra being the same person, just like Vivian and Aelita, (Alexandra knows about the obelisk, Alexandra is a descendent of Nymiera) and the sentence that Jan wrote about how Nymiera is living in modern day life is justifying this theory.

[Between Life and Death 27]

Alexandra didn't know about the obelisk, she just put two-and-two together when she heard what Nymiera had said. She was just as surprised as we were.

 

And don't read too much into "modern-day life." The pre-storm 9 era was plenty modern.

[Between Life and Death 27]

So...let's talk about the mysterious profile from the Hospital of Hope. The 59 year old guy who didn't remember his name, but knew he was from the Sevii Islands.

That's definitely not Kenneth, since we were shown his entire life. Plus, we know he's 44, since the calamity happened when he was 4 years old.

It's also probably not Deagan, since he never got amnesia in the WLL. Plus, that would make him at least 15 years older than Kenneth.

 

That leaves one possible person: Kenneth's father. We know he died before WLL, but we don't know how or where. Maybe he somehow ended up in the Hospital of Hope? And his age seems more plausible if the file was, say, 10 years old.

 

So what happened to him? Did he get kidnapped by Freya or something? Did he travel to Aevium immediately after the calamity? And if he was released from the hospital, does that mean he's not really dead? If so, where/who is he?

 

Edit: it's also possible that he somehow fell into the voidal chasm.

[Feng Lei 52]

I think the 59 year old is Deagan. He looked substantially older than Kenneth in WLL.

 

Another possibly related note I've been meaning to ask about. Alexandra said she couldn't bear to "face" the guy who lives in Oblitus Town. Why? Does it maybe have to do with Deagan? That gym there seems like it might have been his Dark Gym? We never learned where it was supposed to be located. . . It's also interesting Deagan is dark skinned like Alexandra and Damien but Kenneth isn't. It's just, odd to me. Because the brothers don't resemble each other AT ALL. Maybe 4 Island has greater significance than we might assume, but that feels like a bit of a big stretch.

[Zumi 2464]

2 hours ago, Feng Lei said:

It's also interesting Deagan is dark skinned like Alexandra and Damien but Kenneth isn't. It's just, odd to me. Because the brothers don't resemble each other AT ALL.

The one time I'm actually gonna respond to this topic to clarify something; it's really just genetics! Kenneth and Deagan are basically the in-game equivalent of hispanic, and hispanic people vary quite a bit in skin tone. Deagan and Kenneth likely have different complexions as the result of their parents having different complexions as well, kinda like how Amber inherited Deagan's complexion while Tesla's skin is lighter than Amber's.

 

And uh... Let's not mention that Kenneth's been through some shit. His health absolutely has taken a huge toll over the course of time -- He's a lot paler as Keta as he probably would've been had he been healthier.