NickCrash 250 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Jolteon: 12 Vaporeon: 13 Umbreon: 14 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 18 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 17 Link to post Share on other sites
Chim 20 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Jolteon: 10 Vaporeon: 14 Umbreon: 14 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 18 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 17 Link to post Share on other sites
Dragoknight 264 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 So the tides have turned... What's with all the Umbreon hate? Do you not like defensive 'mon that much? How could you hate such a cute little thing? -2 Leafeon +1 Umbreon Jolteon: 10 Vaporeon: 14 Umbreon: 15 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 16 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 17 Link to post Share on other sites
Veterans Azeria 390 Posted January 22, 2018 Veterans Share Posted January 22, 2018 Jolteon: 10 Vaporeon: 14 Umbreon: 16 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 17 Always best. Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 I like Umbreon's design, and I don't hate Umbreon at all. But I do hate stall. And sadly that what people use Umbreon for most Link to post Share on other sites
Veterans Azeria 390 Posted January 22, 2018 Veterans Share Posted January 22, 2018 Stall or an undying Cleric is what it's stats make it out to be, feelsbadman. Oh well it's design is perfect so w/e. Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonDragon21 88 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 @Dragoknight @Azeria But why do you hurt Leafeon Link to post Share on other sites
Dragoknight 264 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, CrimsonDragon21 said: @Dragoknight @Azeria But why do you hurt Leafeon Mainly balancing. And I can't say I'm a huge fan of grass types overall. 47 minutes ago, Wolfox said: I like Umbreon's design, and I don't hate Umbreon at all. But I do hate stall. And sadly that what people use Umbreon for most But stallers are for ballers. Link to post Share on other sites
FairFamily 197 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Jolteon: 10 Vaporeon: 15 Umbreon: 14 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 17 Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Dragoknight said: But stallers are for ballers. I can not respect stall. At all. to me, someone playing to have fun and hoping the opponent has fun as well, seeing someone play stall just makes me feel like that person is a dick. I see 0 skill in playing it because literally all you do is sit on 2 or 3 fat mons while the opponent wants to punch you in the face. mons like Toxapex, Chansey, Porygon2 and many more are just so bitchmade that I seriously can't respect it when people put all stall mons they can use on a team. Link to post Share on other sites
Veterans Azeria 390 Posted January 22, 2018 Veterans Share Posted January 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, CrimsonDragon21 said: @Dragoknight @Azeria But why do you hurt Leafeon I don't even dislike Leafeon, just the Eeveelution I care least about. Link to post Share on other sites
Dragoknight 264 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Wolfox said: I can not respect stall. At all. to me, someone playing to have fun and hoping the opponent has fun as well, seeing someone play stall just makes me feel like that person is a dick. I see 0 skill in playing it because literally all you do is sit on 2 or 3 fat mons while the opponent wants to punch you in the face. mons like Toxapex, Chansey, Porygon2 and many more are just so bitchmade that I seriously can't respect it when people put all stall mons they can use on a team. But it's a joke Yeah, to be honest, I don't like stallers either. I usually tend to run hyper offense. I mean the best defense is a good offense amirite? But when I do want a wall for whatever reason, I appreciate one that doubles as a cleric. So Umbreon = good wall Also, please don't compare a beautiful 'mon like Umbreon to the abomination known as Toxapex. Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 When I use a wall (which is already rare in itself) I generally use either a support mon or one that can hit back one way or another. never have I resulted to stall or anything like it and I never will. The most "stally" thing I've used is flamethrower Clefable. Link to post Share on other sites
HAWmaro 15 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Jolteon: 11 Vaporeon: 15 Umbreon: 14 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 15 you monsters how is jolteon so low? Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Wolfox said: The most "stally" thing I've used is flamethrower Clefable. That's an offensive Clefable. Not even balanced Seems like bulky offense and hyper offense is generally appraised in this part of the forums. I wonder where Skitty disappeared to Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 nah, it's balanced clef for me, offensive means Fire Blast. and guess why those two moves. (I'll give you a hint, it starts with an S and it's red) Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 It's... Ferrothorn!! Catching Scizor on the switch is probably 90% why Clef has a fire move. You don't really need Fire Blast, unless you're dealing with a defensive Scizor (which won't OHKO you with bullet punch anyway so kill it when it roosts). Fire Blast is best used with Life Orb, which is pretty offensive. Flamethrower can be considered offensive or balanced, depending on the rest of the team and the item. If it holds lefties and has zero SpA investment, it's balanced. If it has life orb or has full SpA investment, it's offensive. Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 I don't usually put too much spatk on it, cuz I generally use it to get a few pod hits in and generally just for the Forteresspeople use it Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Jolteon: 11 Vaporeon: 15 Umbreon: 12 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 16 the power of Pix compels you! Link to post Share on other sites
seki108 1226 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Hurt Umbreon, Heal Sylveon Jolteon: 11 Vaporeon: 15 Umbreon: 10 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 17 Link to post Share on other sites
BRS swag 130 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Jolteon: 9 Vaporeon: 15 Umbreon: 11 Espeon: 17 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 17 Heal Umbreon, Hurt Jolteon Link to post Share on other sites
Zarc 1571 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Jolteon: 9 Vaporeon: 15 Umbreon: 11 Espeon: 18 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 15 Link to post Share on other sites
Sayia 732 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Jolteon: 9 Vaporeon: 13 Umbreon: 12 Espeon: 18 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 15 Link to post Share on other sites
Walpurgis 501 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Jolteon: 9 Vaporeon: 13 Umbreon: 10 Espeon: 18 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 15 Sylveon: 16 2 hours ago, seki108 said: Hurt Umbreon, Heal Sylveon So this time we're allies and not enemies. Link to post Share on other sites
seki108 1226 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, walpurgis said: So this time we're allies and not enemies. So it would seem, comrade. Link to post Share on other sites
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