Wolfox 2093 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Just now, walpurgis said: Hurt Jolteon, heal Sylveon. Jolteon: 13 Flareon: 5 Umbreon: 18 Espeon: 23 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 22 Sylveon: 18 colored Link to post Share on other sites
Ojama Yellow 759 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 > vaporeon got silently deleted off the list I will not stand for this. Jolteon: 13 Vaporeon: 17 Flareon: 5 Umbreon: 18 Espeon: 23 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 20 Sylveon: 18 Link to post Share on other sites
Sayia 732 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 @Wolfox Yeah, I fix that for her. Idk where my post goes O.o Nevermind xd Link to post Share on other sites
Jess 574 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Jolteon: 13 Vaporeon: 17 Flareon: 5 Umbreon: 16 Espeon: 23 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 21 Sylveon: 18 Link to post Share on other sites
Chim 20 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Hooligan said: Well, I don't like some of the Pokemon like Vaporeon, because they look way too weird. People only gave love to Vaporeon, because it's a Eeveelution. Now, if it was a evolution of a ordinary Pokemon, it would be considered ugly by most of the people. Vaporeon is overrated as hell for that reason. Also, I think that hybrid Pokemon such as Vaporeon, Type: Null, Silvally and other ones that I can't remember, are all ugly. Also, Gen 1 is overrated in General. Do you see that people hate Garbodor from Gen 5 and like Muk from Gen 1? I would say that I disagree with this hate, because Garbodor was a creative work, at least, making a Pokemon that reminds about the trash from New York. And Muk? You can identify the problem of this one in the name. Muk is a pollution Pokemon, too bland, because it's all purple. Gen 1 is illogical, empty, glitched and ugly, and so is Vaporeon. Basically, in my opinion, a blue Floatzel with two big ears would fit way much better for a Eeveelution than Vaporeon, because how the hell a mammal will suffer a mutation to become a fish? I'm sorry if I was rude or if I did something wrong here. You know that I have no intention to offend anyone, I just needed to say about that. It's just that mutation makes absolutely no sense for me. That's all, thanks and sorry. It's ok. You didn't really offend anyone just by stating your opinion. Vaporeon just happens to be my favorite mon. Not because I'm a genwunner or because it's an Eeveelution. I just happen to like everything about it. And Vaporeon was always the mon I could rely on no matter what. Even after 7 generations that hasn't changed. And I don't like weird evo's either (Dewott -> Samurott wtf happened there? Remoraid -> Octillery etc) I don't include Vaporeon amongst those. Imo all Eeveelutions fit and don't look that weird compared to other evolution lines. But aside from Vaporeon, none of them rank that high on my list of favorites. Espeon and Leafeon are ok and Umbreon's design is nice but that's about it. Also while I'm a genwunner, I have no problem admitting gen 5 has the best Pokédex. That actually says a lot since my interest in Pokémon was at it's lowest when gen 5 came out and I thought most of them were unoriginal and without any effort (Zebstrika, Swanna for example). Hell, gen 5 even has the mons I despise the most with those goddamn Elemental Monkeys and Keldeo. The thing about gen 1 is that, for those who grew up with it, it's acceptable that the mons might be illogical and the games were unbalanced and glitched. Psychic was broken AF but imo gen 1 has some really great mons. Gengar, Venusaur, Gyarados, Alakazam, Arcanine, etc have all great designs and are fun to use. Edit: I forgot to vote lol Jolteon: 13 Vaporeon: 18 Flareon: 5 Umbreon: 16 Espeon: 23 Leafeon: 14 Glaceon: 21 Sylveon: 16 Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Chim said: It's ok. You didn't really offend anyone just by stating your opinion. Vaporeon just happens to be my favorite mon. Not because I'm a genwunner or because it's an Eeveelution. I just happen to like everything about it. And Vaporeon was always the mon I could rely on no matter what. Even after 7 generations that hasn't changed. And I don't like weird evo's either (Dewott -> Samurott wtf happened there? Remoraid -> Octillery etc) I don't include Vaporeon amongst those. Imo all Eeveelutions fit and don't look that weird compared to other evolution lines. But aside from Vaporeon, none of them rank that high on my list of favorites. Espeon and Leafeon are ok and Umbreon's design is nice but that's about it. Also while I'm a genwunner, I have no problem admitting gen 5 has the best Pokédex. That actually says a lot since my interest in Pokémon was at it's lowest when gen 5 came out and I thought most of them were unoriginal and without any effort (Zebstrika, Swanna for example). Hell, gen 5 even has the mons I despise the most with those goddamn Elemental Monkeys and Keldeo. The thing about gen 1 is that, for those who grew up with it, it's acceptable that the mons might be illogical and the games were unbalanced and glitched. Psychic was broken AF but imo gen 1 has some really great mons. Gengar, Venusaur, Gyarados, Alakazam, Arcanine, etc have all great designs and are fun to use. 5 In that case, I would not classify you as a genwunner. as those simply deem all other generation inferior to gen one in every way. your favorite gen is gen 1 (I assume), but you do accept that it was a broken mess and that most gens did improve upon it. And not a single person can say gen 5 doesn't have dumb shit in there, but when it has the largest Regional Dex to date, that's going to happen non the less (granted even the "lazy" ones from gen 5 are better than the "lazy" ones from gen 1 IMO). Link to post Share on other sites
seki108 1226 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, Chim said: Also while I'm a genwunner, I have no problem admitting gen 5 has the best Pokédex. That actually says a lot since my interest in Pokémon was at it's lowest when gen 5 came out and I thought most of them were unoriginal and without any effort (Zebstrika, Swanna for example). If those are your views, then you don't fit the definition of a genwunner. If you acknowledge any gens besides 1 and 2 (begrudgingly), you aren't a genwunner 25 minutes ago, Chim said: The thing about gen 1 is that, for those who grew up with it, it's acceptable that the mons might be illogical and the games were unbalanced and glitched. Psychic was broken AF but imo gen 1 has some really great mons. Gengar, Venusaur, Gyarados, Alakazam, Arcanine, etc have all great designs and are fun to use. I also grew up with Red, but I don't feel the gen 1 mons should get a pass for some of their lazy designs just because of their seniority. All gens have great mons and all gens have lazy designs. and @Wolfox ninja'd most of my points while I was finishing typing Link to post Share on other sites
Chim 20 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 @Wolfox@seki108 I've been called genwunner for the exact same thing I posted earlier so for me personally the line between 'defending' gen 1 and being a genwunner is unclear. I grew up with it, I like most of it (especially the mons) and that's about it. I know the gen isn't perfect (far from) but GF had to start somewhere. For me personally gen 1 is a great starting point. If I include everything (region, leaders, champions etc.) I'd say gen 4 and 5 are my favorites. Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonDragon21 88 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Leafeon has one of the best design for an Eeveeolution Heal Leafeon. Hurt Espeon. Jolteon: 13 Vaporeon: 18 Flareon: 5 Umbreon: 16 Espeon: 21 Leafeon: 15 Glaceon: 21 Sylveon: 16 Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, Chim said: @Wolfox@seki108 I've been called genwunner for the exact same thing I posted earlier so for me personally the line between 'defending' gen 1 and being a genwunner is unclear. I grew up with it, I like most of it (especially the mons) and that's about it. I know the gen isn't perfect (far from) but GF had to start somewhere. For me personally gen 1 is a great starting point. If I include everything (region, leaders, champions etc.) I'd say gen 4 and 5 are my favorites. defending gen 1 is not a bad thing. But you are not a genwunner. not even near it. if you even mention the words "Gen" and "5" near one of them they will burn you to the ground because "gen 1 is the best and should be respected as such". and when you give valid counter arguments they won't even listen (had a run in with a few once, guess how much they loved someone who's favorite gen is gen 5). you don't say gen 1 is excusable for their designs or that it's superior to the others just because it's the first, you simply defend the gen for what it is: the starting point of one of the biggest gaming franchises. Yet you do accept the broken glitchy mess that it is. at least that's how I've seen this so far Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Finn 256 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Jolteon: 13 Vaporeon: 16 Flareon: 5 Umbreon: 17 Espeon: 21 Leafeon: 15 Glaceon: 21 Sylveon: 16 RIP Flareon... May the Lord Helix make a better place for Flareon, where he/she gets better stats and moves. Umbreon is my second favorite Eeveelution, so I will heal it. I will hurt Vaporeon for the same reason I said before. Also @Chim, you are not a Genwunner, because the Genwunners are usually people that only know how to hate other Gens, especially Gen 5. Also, a Genwunner only likes the Pokemon from Gen 1. If I was one person in this case, I would be a mix of Genfiver (Gen 5), Genfourner (Gen 4) and Genthreener (Gen 3). If I mean by my favorite generation, I would say Gen 5, because it have best main character (Hilda), best story, some of the best Pokemon (Yes, I like Garbodor and Trubbish), best cities (I love Castelia City, Black City, Driftveil City, Icirrus City, Accumula Town, Floccesy Town, Virbank City, Nuvema Town, Aspertia City, and all the others. Except Lentimas Town, because that place is creepy.), best soundtrack, best in almost all the things. At least, we didn't have OP Megas in B2W2. Also @Chim, I'm sorry. I didn't know that this was your favorite 'mon. I just can't stand that catfish. Link to post Share on other sites
Dragoknight 264 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 @Chim @Wolfox @seki108 Yeah, Gen I was wonky, but I feel it gets the slip for most (such as Genwunners) simply because it was the first. Even if a future gen is worlds better, it doesn't have the new and unique atmosphere of Gen 1 (and I'm sure nostalgia plays a big role). As for the region and characters, I kinda feel that GF objectively improved upon everything as they went on (except for Gen III, one of my favourite but still probably the worst in many aspects). And being able to appreciate wonky doesn't make you a Genwunner. This actually reminds me of one of my favourite discussions. Do you like a pile of sludge or a bag of garbage better? @Hooligan Yeah, I love Megas. I think they're awesome, but I'd be lying if I said they weren't broken as all hell. Mega Metagross singlehandedly sweeps so many teams. 1 hour ago, Chim said: Hell, gen 5 even has the mons I despise the most with those goddamn Elemental Monkeys and Keldeo. Don't talk shit about freedom pony! I like Glaceon but it's not better than Umbreon! Show me da wei my glow in the dark friend! -2 Glaceon +1 Umbreon Jolteon: 13 Vaporeon: 16 Flareon: 5 Umbreon: 18 Espeon: 21 Leafeon: 15 Glaceon: 19 Sylveon: 16 Link to post Share on other sites
Zarc 1571 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 <3 Spoiler Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Jolteon: 13 Vaporeon: 16 Flareon: 5 Umbreon: 18 Espeon: 21 Leafeon: 16 Glaceon: 17 Sylveon: 16 Link to post Share on other sites
Sayia 732 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Come on, @Hooligan you can not please everyone Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Sure he can. Remember to upvote Leafeon. I crie evritiem wen u dunt Link to post Share on other sites
Sayia 732 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Lol, guess who likes Leafeon? Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Calm Leafeon Adamant Leafeon Jolly Leafeon Epileptic Quirky Leafeon Link to post Share on other sites
Sayia 732 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Adamant Leafeon is my fav <3 Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 leafeon is actually my second favorite eeveelution, third being Glaceon. I just like Leafeon cuz it did what Flareon tried but failed less and in a less bad way. all it really lacks is a god ability. Or maybe give it Solar Blade to make it work in the sun even better Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 To be fair, ability-wise the eeveelutions are weirdly placed Flareon has Guts and Flash Fire. Both are quite useful, and if Flareon had a better movepool, Guts would actually work quite well. No other eevee has both abilities be good. Vaporeon and Jolteon both rely on their immunity-ability in Water Absorb and Volt Absorb respectively. Espeon uses Magic Bounce, which is not really resilient, but it helps in a hyper offensive way to block status and hazards. Sylveon uses Pixilate as an ultra boost to its new STAB moves, making it somewhat useful offensively. Umbreon's Synchronize only works for 1 pokemon, making it kind of useful as an ability. Leafeon and Glaceon could use much better abilities than what they have now, since they don't benefit unless in very specific cases. Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 the issue with Flareon and Guts is, however, that Flareon will most likely die before getting a move off anyway, let alone before it manages to put itself in a sweeping position. so why put it on a timer as well? Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 That's true. However, the pokemon's flaws don't start and end with guts. Objectively it's a good ability and if it gets the chance to improve the speed, it could sweep. To do so, it needs better moves, since the stats are fixed among eevees. Now, I'll return to Leafeon. If I were to give it an ability I would go either to Technician (since it gets Bullet Seed, Quick Attack, Aerial Ace, and Bite) which can be boosted. Alternatively I would go to Thick Fat to make it more defensive. Problem is, the first choice makes it akin to Breloom, the second resembles M-Venu and we don't need another defensive grass type. Another option I thought of is Triage, which makes use of Synthesis when needed, however that's really limited and Leafeon can't even rely on Giga Drain offensively. Last, I thought of an offensive Unaware user which Swords Dances up and disregards all defensive boosts. Do you think any of those work? Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share Posted January 21, 2018 Why not Sap Sipper. it goes with the theme of Jolteon, Flareon, and Vaporeon that are immune to their own stab and it can help it instantly set up on the switch. + in doubles you can pair it with a Petal Blizard mon to really get a shitstorm going. Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 Basically I don't think Grass is such a common type as Fire/Water/Electric for Sap Sipper to be on par with the others. Certainly it makes sense, but in singles its usage is going to be limited. Link to post Share on other sites
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