Did a fresh v13 start and I see noone mentioning these scenes

[Tomek]

 

So.... does that mean that there are basically 2 interceptors or like 1 interceptor shared between both?? Also HOST 1... seems to be Crescent if I am seeing correctly which means she can die 2 more times? Suddenly Clear saying that she killed her doesnt seem like a lie cause Crescent did lose 1 life out of 4 LOL. Last picture, Crescent stole black box from 2 people (Kieran and Clear?). Was Eden supposed to be in that black box but Crescent stole it and reconfigured it to be someone else? So many questions. What are your thoughts?

[kithas]

Yeah, Crescent is an Interceptor, too, just the same as the Main Character. And exactly as the main character, she seems to have run out of lives, so next death will probably be the last one.

And both Nancy, the black boxes and all the Ligosomnia Engine things from v13's new content were made by Xara and Jean, Risa's friends and the original Mysterious' duo before Clear and Kieran appeared and killed and replaced them.

[Vhein]

1 hour ago, kithas said:

Yeah, Crescent is an Interceptor, too, just the same as the Main Character. And exactly as the main character, she seems to have run out of lives, so next death will probably be the last one.

And both Nancy, the black boxes and all the Ligosomnia Engine things from v13's new content were made by Xara and Jean, Risa's friends and the original Mysterious' duo before Clear and Kieran appeared and killed and replaced them.

 What you are saying is completely off tho, crescent still have 75% life remaining, and died only 1 time, that's the MC that died 3 times already ( i don't when he died a third time tho ) and have only one life left.

[Cyphre]

1 hour ago, kithas said:

Yeah, Crescent is an Interceptor, too, just the same as the Main Character. And exactly as the main character, she seems to have run out of lives, so next death will probably be the last one.

And both Nancy, the black boxes and all the Ligosomnia Engine things from v13's new content were made by Xara and Jean, Risa's friends and the original Mysterious' duo before Clear and Kieran appeared and killed and replaced them.

She is not an Interceptor, she only shares life force with MC. Simply a co-host to this power. 

Also Crescent died once, and MC 3 times, and Nancy stated that between those 2 they have only 1 more free death, after that both of them are mere mortals. 

[earthprisonpanopticon]

1 hour ago, Cyphre said:

they have only 1 more free death,

pretty sure that nancy said that the life mc/crescent is on is their last life though, not their last *free* life. that also makes me wonder about if either mc/crescent dies, will the other die too? 

 

1 hour ago, Vhein said:

( i don't when he died a third time tho )

the third (though it's actually the second death, since it happened before the doomed timeline arc) was when the bomb went off in the past, before madame x reversed time to stop it from going off. it still did kill mc though, so it counted as a death

[kithas]

1 hour ago, Cyphre said:

She is not an Interceptor, she only shares life force with MC. Simply a co-host to this power. 

Also Crescent died once, and MC 3 times, and Nancy stated that between those 2 they have only 1 more free death, after that both of them are mere mortals. 

So, they are both Interceptors, they're both the Interceptor, it's the same for me hahah the result is that both of them share the condition of being "out of fate" and really shouldn't die again or they die for good.

[Lucifer Morningstar]

I'm beginning to wonder if Crescent manipulated Zeight to claim she's the Co-host or something when in fact the Co-Host is Melia. 

As of chapter 15 Melia has been revealed to have similar attributes to that of the MC such as the 'god mode' or whatever we're calling it and she seems to have a connection to Zeight. I think she could be hosting Variya as the MC is hosting Adrest. 

I go into more detail in other threads. 

 

We know that Crescent, the real Crescent is possessive of the MC and is against the MC's relationships with the other characters with the exception of Nancy so she would NOT be pleased with someone else being the co-host. 

[JK’S]

I want to know why variya chose Crescent to co-host. I understand that was our closest friend at the time the contract was made, but surely there were better options.

I also really wanna know what actually happened to the A-class, the backstory we get in v13 is a distorted version of what actually happened, because of what crescent did to Eden

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

1 hour ago, JK’S said:

I also really wanna know what actually happened to the A-class, the backstory we get in v13 is a distorted version of what actually happened, because of what crescent did to Eden

 

Oh that's right. I wanna know the real version as well.

 

On the subject of how many lives the MC has left, could we replenish our lost lives if we bathed in the Spring of Rejuvenation? 

[Tomek]

2 hours ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

 

Oh that's right. I wanna know the real version as well.

 

On the subject of how many lives the MC has left, could we replenish our lost lives if we bathed in the Spring of Rejuvenation? 

thats a nice question i wonder the same. Altho now that we know Crescent is also interceptor I am thinking we will have some scenes where we gonna control her 

[Cyphre]

I really have no idea where do you people even get the idea of Crescent being another Interceptor just because she shares lifeforce with MC. Variya ever called her Interceptor only MC, and Crescent clearly isnt capable of changing karma like we do. 

[Tomek]

well she could be a backup for interceptor in case we die LOL

[Lucifer Morningstar]

11 hours ago, Cyphre said:

I really have no idea where do you people even get the idea of Crescent being another Interceptor just because she shares lifeforce with MC. Variya ever called her Interceptor only MC, and Crescent clearly isnt capable of changing karma like we do. 

 

I never used the term 'Interceptor' for Crescent or for Melia in regard to my theory, just the game's term "co-host". 

I don't believe Crescent is an interceptor either which is one reason I believe she might be a poser when in fact the co-host is Melia. 
In addition to what I've pointed out before regarding her implied connection to the MC, we know Melia does have power over fate from the destroyed AU, she both participated in creating it and decided it's outcome whether that was to save or further damn it. 

I've heard that Variya even appears behind Melia when she "awakens" her Archetype powers (I'm pretty sure this didn't occur in V12 when I played that arc but it could very well be a change made in V13) whereas when she appointed the MC she essentially ignored Crescent despite the host MC's concern for her and I concur that as much of a manipulator as Crescent is the one thing we have not seen her manipulate is fate. 

 

Thus far she has presented as something of a necromancer as her abilities to the extent we've seen have been exclusively in restoring and reforming the dead. Although I believe she claimed wrongful credit for the MC's resurrection on Valor Mountain despite that as of V13 we now know that she is genuinely capable whereas previously I was not convinced.   

 

Come to think of it she hasn't done anything really to aid the MC rather she's just been attempting unsuccessfully to manipulate them away from the protagonist gang.

 

If anything in the time it has taken me to compose this post I've just become more convinced that she's not the MC's actual co-host or at least most definitely NOT an interceptor.  

[Cyphre]

18 minutes ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

If anything in the time it has taken me to compose this post I've just become more convinced that she's not the MC's actual co-host or at least most definitely NOT an interceptor. 

However it's a fact that our co-host died once. To our knowledge Melia never died, as well as never mentions anything like this. And i personally believe Archetype and Interceptor are 2 super different powers that are just working together, and if there is a link between them, it's not a direct one. 

[Tomek]

24 minutes ago, Cyphre said:

However it's a fact that our co-host died once. To our knowledge Melia never died, as well as never mentions anything like this. And i personally believe Archetype and Interceptor are 2 super different powers that are just working together, and if there is a link between them, it's not a direct one. 

yeah host 1 died once by a strong psychic  attack which way obviously Clears Beheeyem, as you can see in the picture

[Lucifer Morningstar]

2 hours ago, Cyphre said:

However it's a fact that our co-host died once. To our knowledge Melia never died, as well as never mentions anything like this. And i personally believe Archetype and Interceptor are 2 super different powers that are just working together, and if there is a link between them, it's not a direct one. 

 

1 hour ago, Tomek said:

yeah host 1 died once by a strong psychic  attack which way obviously Clears Beheeyem, as you can see in the picture

 

I concur that Archetype and Interceptor are two vastly different abilities but Melia is NOT a legit member of the Archetype hence the Genesis Syndrome and other than her ability to create shinies her abilities thus far have presented as quite similar to the MCs. 

 

As for Host #1's recorded death, again, it could have been a forgery by either Crescent or Clear. We don't have evidence that Crescent was ever actually dead all we know is that Clear claimed to have killed her but she was found alive in one of Clear and Kieran's pods vs. the witnesses there were to the MC being shoved into the lava for example. 

[Cyphre]

1 minute ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

As for Host #1's recorded death, again, it could have been a forgery by either Crescent or Clear.

It's insight the Zeight, or whatever it was called. I am 100% certain it is absolutely impossible to forge. 
 

2 minutes ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

but Melia is NOT a legit member of the Archetype hence the Genesis Syndrome

Based on what exactly? Archetype power is implanted, it is as legit as it gets, her body just rejects it for reasons we dont know yet. Her Archetype powers are as geniune as they get. 

[SoulN7]

I think both of your theories are still correct, but difficult to know which one will be the right one.

Like said from you, it's possible that Archetype and Interceptor's powers work together, but not directly, thanks to some similar features they have, like same transformation (Erin returned to golden hair when she activated her powers, MC got blonde hair undergoing "Interceptor's form" and Melia and MC had a change of clothes when undergoing their respective forms), possibly sharing Zeight (Melia has Variya sleeping in her and MC has Adrest) and they can like activate a "god-mode" for a while. Still, we don't know if Melia has already died once, but maybe, she died as Maria/Marianette in the past (psychic powers = Indriad) and reincarnated into Marianette(the prologue still make me confused, after all this time). Like I said, I don't know if she actually died once.

Maybe, it's true that Crescent is the true co-host of the Interceptor's life force and died once with Clear, and, despite her behaviours, we can see that she care about MC/dominant student (meaning that she accepted her role as co-host), as she continued to implore to us to stay away from main gang and dangers and went in panic after she bring Aevis (in my run, obv) back to life.

She made me feeling really sorry for her, actually.

Still, her protective instincts and maybe her jealousy took her to manipulate Zeight and letting her being the Co-host of Interceptor's power. We don't know about her true powers, yet.

They are good theories, though.

 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

Just now, Cyphre said:

It's insight the Zeight, or whatever it was called. I am 100% certain it is absolutely impossible to forge. 

I'm sure most of us were quite certain the dead could not be brought back until we saw Crescent bring back the MC. Just saying, it seems just about anything is possible in this universe. 

 

1 minute ago, Cyphre said:

Based on what exactly? Archetype power is implanted, it is as legit as it gets, her body just rejects it for reasons we dont know yet. Her Archetype powers are as geniune as they get. 

The powers themselves yes but the other three carrying them, Erin, Alice and Allen are literal manifestations of the Archetype, Melia is not. Basically what I meant was, she's not supposed to have the Archetype's powers. The other three are. 

[Cyphre]

2 minutes ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

The powers themselves yes but the other three carrying them, Erin, Alice and Allen are literal manifestations of the Archetype, Melia is not. Basically what I meant was, she's not supposed to have the Archetype's powers. The other three are. 

It doesnt matter even if thats the case, which i do not think it is. The abilities are as geniune as they get, only the body's reaction on them is different. 
 

3 minutes ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

I'm sure most of us were quite certain the dead could not be brought back until we saw Crescent bring back the MC. Just saying, it seems just about anything is possible in this universe. 

That goes just into the realm of asspulling to be honest, Nancy also confirmed that info and she had Nymiera's administrative rights. If the info was changed at any point, she would know. 

There is only one reasonable deduction from this. The co-host indeed died 1 time. Melia did not. Ergo Melia cannot be a co-host.

[Lucifer Morningstar]

10 minutes ago, Cyphre said:

It doesnt matter even if thats the case, which i do not think it is. The abilities are as geniune as they get, only the body's reaction on them is different. 

I'm still not being clear enough, I'm sorry. 

Just because she has different abilities does not mean she has to be a different being. We know the Archetype was implanted inside her which means it doesn't define the type of being she is. She could be an Interceptor who happened to have been implanted with the Archetype. 

 

10 minutes ago, Cyphre said:

There is only one reasonable deduction from this. The co-host indeed died 1 time. Melia did not. Ergo Melia cannot be a co-host.

She could have if we entertain the theory that she is a reincarnation of Maria which does seem a bit likely. 

 

I'm not meaning to argue that Crescent is 100% not host #1 but that she doesn't seem to fit the bill as much as Melia as she's done nothing really (even more so now that we know the person who weaponized Nim was Clear) and that there are other possibilities. 

 

Granted we don't even know what Host #1 is supposed to do so that's very open to a lot of possibilities as well. 

[Cyphre]

3 minutes ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

She could have if we entertain the theory that she is a reincarnation of Maria which does seem a bit likely. 

If reincarnations count, the count would be way more than 1 death. So that is pretty much impossible. 

[Lucifer Morningstar]

Just now, Cyphre said:

If reincarnations count, the count would be way more than 1 death. So that is pretty much impossible. 

Not in the case of Melia and Maria, it's thus far just been the two of them. Maria was the first as she was manifested from the Archetype and when she died Melia was born. 

Some people believe Marionette is a separate person from Maria and is an incarnation that comes between Maria and Melia, I do not agree with that. 

[Cyphre]

1 minute ago, Lucifer Morningstar said:

Not in the case of Melia and Maria, it's thus far just been the two of them.

Based on what? Where did 75 years of existential age came from? What was the family and girl in the prologue? The one in the cliff mansion and then in some castle? And then third one in Theolia estate, Marianette. 

[SoulN7]

4 minutes ago, Cyphre said:

Based on what? Where did 75 years of existential age came from? What was the family and girl in the prologue? The one in the cliff mansion and then in some castle? And then third one in Theolia estate, Marianette. 

The first is supposed to be Maria...and then Marianette... The mansion is Maria from our past, Melanie is in the ruined future. And we have the Marianette from Chrysalis Mansion, who says she won't forget about us again. I think that maybe we saw Maria and counterparts in multiple timelines, or maybe in different moments of one timeline. But if this is correct, we have to figure out which one of this made Melia's birth.