sailboat Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 im seriously inclined to vote either bean or newt as mayor just for the chaos that will ensue later. the problem is who will be able to create more? There are TWO factions of Mafia, the Petroleum Seekers and the Relic Hunters. A secret rule based on what they do or say during the day will decide which of the two gets the kill action each night. This hidden rule can be revealed by means of Role Disclosing Votes in the format [Disclose] Mafia. So question to @Alaris cuz that one was copypastad from op. does this means that only one of the faction kills per night or is there a possibility of no kill at all/ both kills at the same time? And finally, does the mafia knows this rules themselves and is just secret to the town or is it hidden even among them? Even if you answer "you dont know" I already have an interpretation in mind btw. Cuz yeah this is a leading question i have vague ideas on some implications on each directions i would just like to ride a specific train of thought for now cuz i hate d1 with most of peeps just friggin memes. Where's the navy seal meme at also noice tis easier to beautify posts now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaris Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 @sailboat Only one of the factions gets the ability to kill each night. At the beginning of the night, I'll tell one of the groups that they have the killing ability. Then, the person who performs the kill will be chosen by their peers, and will submit their action via PM like any other ability. However, they can abstain, meaning that no kill would occur. Also, if the person who was going to perform the kill dies before they can act (by a Night Action with higher priority), the killing will not occur either. Both Mafia factions can never attack in the same night. There will be 1 Mafia kill at most, unless some abilities allow a scum to kill more than one person themselves. The Mafia don't know the secret rules which give them the killing ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul25 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) Vote: Bean (My gut's determined to vote him due to unleashment of bizzarre Town-ish vibes) Disclose: Mafia Edited April 30, 2018 by Paul25 No sooner had I posted this comment, than my question was answered lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sailboat Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 @Paul25we lack role info and some other mechanics which can be revealed via disclose. @Alaristhanks that at least puts my mind to a certain track...and know what to look for... Now that said, I'm fine with whatever is disclosed for sure it levels the playing field for the new guys.as for me, you know me. even a blind run is fine RNG and you guys will carry me anyway so kek but better question is... im just curious why did those voters wish to know more about the mafia interactions and now voting for disclosure of it. I mean making them blind as well is a nice turn of events no? imo im more inclined to know more about their roles cuz i havent heard some of them. since only one faction can attack per night, personally i don't really care at all who attacks and what logic is it even following. The only fact that i want to know is if we have an rb'er who is not a memer /me looks at alaris and smirks. finally, i just want either mafia faction to play themselves blindly and figure out on their own how to attack. why? when they found/or not the specifics... they will have to act weirder in a certain way in order to get that kill. Afterall, their goal is to win by themselves. and since personally, i prefer observing people rather than relying on power roles cuz that spy... sounds like an info gainer as well... you kno stalker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpurgis Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Quote The Mafia don't know the secret rules which give them the killing ability. Well, this is interesting. @Alaris is the mafia kill not happening at all a possibility (not in the absence of mafia posts)? If yes then maybe it's smarter to not disclose the rule. Thinking about it maybe still benefits the town. If for a faction to get the kill they have to write a specific keyword in one of their posts or use a determined style, reach a determined length etc then we as town can avoid posting anything that would meet the requirements, putting the mafia in a situation in which they reveal themselves or they don't get the kill at all. If one of the mafia faction will always get the kill no matter what then even if the mafia factions learn about this rule I don't think the town will be hurt by it. Only one night kill will happen regardless and this will put the mafia factions in a race to meet the requirements during the day phase, which will make them easier to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaris Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 @Walpurgis I cannot reveal this, as it is written in the secret rule. I will, however, make an observation on one of my earlier statements: where it says "both Mafia factions can never attack in the same night" it should say "both Mafia factions cannot be granted a kill action in the same night". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul25 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So, Mafs could someway or the other get an insight to what they should do to obtain killing in night and accordingly may achieve their desired goals which will be eased up once they know the hidden mechanism. IMO we should not reveal this so early especially when we're unsure whether it'll benefit us or prove to be advantageous for them. Hereby, Cancel (disclosure): Mafia Since, there's nothing written about how to cancel Mafia rules' disclosure or I overlooked the additional specific rules info, therefore I'm using that format for the undisclosure of hidden mafia rules. And instead casting to reveal a specific role: Disclose: Mr. Hyde Hyde = hidehide, is it a disguiser. I'm curious to know about it. Edited April 30, 2018 by Paul25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bok Choi Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Why the heck not [vote] Bean And I would think Mr. Hyde is more Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I do agree that info on specific roles may be more useful in the long run, but for now [disclose] Mafia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Come on everybody believe in me I'll build a wallfor all of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Hello uuuuh not sure how the disclose thing works but anyway I'm not mafia I'm a gud boi I'd like to be mayor pls vote for me [Vote] Alistair [Disclose] Mafia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jace Stormkirk Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 we need a major the people trust and since he has won the trust to represent us i [vote] Bean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods cicada Posted April 30, 2018 Global Mods Share Posted April 30, 2018 Sure, this’ll be fun. [vote] Bean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 y u liek bean butter than meeeee Alistair will remember this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 GOOD. I SHALL REWARD YOU GREATLYFORTHIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickens Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 BELIEVE IN ME I WILL IMPROVE YOUR STANDARDS OF LIVING I WILL PROVIDE FREE INTERNET FREE WORK FREE FOOD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpurgis Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Bean is mafia dont trust him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Vote on me I swear I'll create more chaos than bean Also why are u disclosing mafia if it helps them suspicious af Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 then people voting for him are probably mafia too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 @Newt how does it help them I genuinely don't know what disclosing mafia does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 @Alistair Alaris said that disclosing mafia will reveal what they need to do to get the factional kill, idk if it does anything else Also vote on me pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 huh. [Cancel] Mafia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 @Alistair you forgot to vote me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 idk if you're a good dude or a bad dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walpurgis Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Quote Alaris said that disclosing mafia will reveal what they need to do to get the factional kill, idk if it does anything else Also vote on me pls I already explained why I'm voting to disclose mafia. "is the mafia kill not happening at all a possibility (not in the absence of mafia posts)? If yes then maybe it's smarter to not disclose the rule. Thinking about it maybe still benefits the town. If for a faction to get the kill they have to write a specific keyword in one of their posts or use a determined style, reach a determined length etc then we as town can avoid posting anything that would meet the requirements, putting the mafia in a situation in which they reveal themselves or they don't get the kill at all. If one of the mafia faction will always get the kill no matter what then even if the mafia factions learn about this rule I don't think the town will be hurt by it. Only one night kill will happen regardless and this will put the mafia factions in a race to meet the requirements during the day phase, which will make it easier to notice them." If you think disclosing it helps mafia it would be more appreciated and helpful that you explained why instead of trying to raise suspicion about other players like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 @Walpurgis Sorry, I didn't explain because I thought it was obvious. I don't think that the requisite to get the factional killings is easy as saying a specific keyword or using a determined format. If the mafia doesn't know how to get the factional killing I think there's a small chance that none of the two factions won't get a kill, but if they know what they need to do to get it, it will be sure that one of them will get it. Besides, you are just looking at this situation by the town side. Yes, town will be able to pay attention and see if someone is trying to get the kill, but do you really think the mafia is dumb enough to just let them get discovered? Of course they will try to play around it. And as everyone knows, mafias are the informed minority, which means they have advantage in those sort of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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