Veterans Azeria 390 Posted January 13, 2018 Veterans Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 25 Charmander: 13 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 23 Totodile: 20 Treecko: 16 Torchic: 15 Mudkip: 27 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 20 Snivy: 19 Tepig: 9 Oshawott: 18 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 20 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 I'll be putting my vote for today down now. Cynda ftw Link to post Share on other sites
St0mpa 32 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 24 minutes ago, Jess said: Can't agree more. Greninja is supposed to transform into Ash-Gren due to an extremely strong bond with its trainer (story-wise). So, if my Greninja bonds a lot with me, it won't turn into me (the respective selected main character form), but into fucking Ash Ketchum. Fuck logic. I'm ok with the idea of battle bond I think they just fucked up the execution of it for the main games. Link to post Share on other sites
Zarc 1571 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur : 23 Charmander: 13 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 20 Treecko: 16 Torchic: 15 Mudkip: 27 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 20 Snivy: 19 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 18 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 20 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
J-Awesome_One 1328 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Heal Rowlet & Hurt Mudkip Bulbasaur : 23 Charmander: 13 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 20 Treecko: 16 Torchic: 15 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 20 Snivy: 19 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 18 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 21 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
HAWmaro 15 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur : 24 Charmander: 11 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 20 Treecko: 16 Torchic: 15 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 20 Snivy: 19 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 18 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 21 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
Chim 20 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Torchic needs to die. Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 11 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 20 Treecko: 16 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 19 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 18 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 21 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
Chickens 226 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 11 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 20 Treecko: 16 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 20 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 18 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 19 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Ash gren was a mistake. The idea itself wan;t terrible, granted it wasn't a good idea either, but making it exclusive to Greninja is where it went to shit. and them making it look like Ash instead of a player character... at this point just give it a mega already Link to post Share on other sites
Ojama Yellow 759 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 11 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 20 Treecko: 16 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 22 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 20 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 18 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
Zargerth 254 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 11 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 20 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 22 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 20 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 19 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Hurt Treecko, Heal Oshawott Link to post Share on other sites
Walpurgis 501 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 11 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 18 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 22 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 21 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 19 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
seki108 1226 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 11 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 18 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 22 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 19 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 20 Chespin: 16 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
HAWmaro 15 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 My biggest problem with ash gren is that it takes away the most unique and fun part of greninja and it's protean. That and also the fact that's it takes no mega slot for some reason, It's stupid and bullshit and boring and should have stayed in the anime were it belongs. That said I can't downvote froakie right now, it's a well designed pokemon with a great movepool and an awesome ability, Much worse starters are still on the list. Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonDragon21 88 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Why the hate on the Charmander-Line? Who would hurt such a cute beeing Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 12 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 18 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 22 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 19 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 20 Chespin: 14 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 18 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfox 2093 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, HAWmaro said: My biggest problem with ash gren is that it takes away the most unique and fun part of greninja and it's protean. That and also the fact that's it takes no mega slot for some reason, It's stupid and bullshit and boring and should have stayed in the anime were it belongs. That said I can't downvote froakie right now, it's a well designed pokemon with a great movepool and an awesome ability, Much worse starters are still on the list. If all starters had Battle Bond and the boost wasn;t as big as it is it would not be a terrible idea. And ofcourse don't make it focus on Ash... Link to post Share on other sites
Thiazzi 65 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 12 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 18 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 23 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 19 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 20 Chespin: 14 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 16 Popplio: 19 Link to post Share on other sites
NickCrash 250 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Why are you even targeting Chespin? It's one of the cutest starters and the final evo is actually strong. Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 12 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 18 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 19 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 20 Chespin: 15 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 16 Popplio: 19 If we try to categorise the starters (and disregard megas), the easy way to do so is this: Monsters: Blaziken, Greninja Very Strong: Feraligatr, Swampert, Infernape, Serperior Strong: Chesnaught, Primarina, Empoleon, Decidueye, Delphox Mediocre: Samurott, Emboar, Incineroar, Charizard, Venusaur, Typhlosion, SceptileWeak: Meganium, Blastoise, Torterra Link to post Share on other sites
Jess 574 Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 12 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 18 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 17 Tepig : 9 Oshawott: 20 Chespin: 15 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 16 Popplio: 20 Link to post Share on other sites
CrimsonDragon21 88 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, NickCrash said: Why are you even targeting Chespin? It's one of the cutest starters and the final evo is actually strong. i don't categorize them in strong and weak. His final Evolution just doesn't appeal to me. It's the same thing for Blaziken, Blastoise and Emboar. I don't like their actual design. Link to post Share on other sites
Walpurgis 501 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Snivy has contrary so it actually should be gaining two points every time someone hurts it. Link to post Share on other sites
.... 262 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 12 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 18 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 25 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 17 Tepig : 7 Oshawott: 20 Chespin: 15 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 16 Popplio: 21 Let's go Popplio-chan,woo hoo ! Link to post Share on other sites
Dragoknight 264 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, NickCrash said: If we try to categorise the starters (and disregard megas), the easy way to do so is this: Monsters: Blaziken, Greninja Very Strong: Feraligatr, Swampert, Infernape, Serperior Strong: Chesnaught, Primarina, Empoleon, Decidueye, Delphox Mediocre: Samurott, Emboar, Incineroar, Charizard, Venusaur, Typhlosion, SceptileWeak: Meganium, Blastoise, Torterra Wow. That's very well put. And when you do factor in megas, Swampert becomes a monster (especially in the rain). Then I think the megas would fit in something like this: Swampert: Very Strong -> Monster Sceptile: Mediocre-> Very Strong Charizard: Mediocre -> Both X and Y = Very Stong Venusaur: Mediocre -> Very Strong Blastoise: Weak -> Mediocre And Blaziken stays broken. 18 minutes ago, CrimsonDragon21 said: i don't categorize them in strong and weak. His final Evolution just doesn't appeal to me. Same. Well I do tend to factor in competitive ability but I just kinda find the Chespin line to be overall kinda ugly. And really, the only reason it's somewhat effective is because it's a good spikes user. Bad 'mon if you ask me. 16 minutes ago, walpurgis said: Snivy has contrary so it actually should be gaining two points every time someone hurts it. lol. But if that's true then at the end of every day Torchic should gain a point (Speed Boost). Link to post Share on other sites
.... 262 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, walpurgis said: Snivy has contrary so it actually should be gaining two points every time someone hurts it. You are a GENIUS ! Link to post Share on other sites
Dragoknight 264 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 No mercy. Also, I am Mudkip's eternal hype man. -2 Tepig, +1 Mudkip Bulbasaur: 24 Charmander: 12 Squirtle: 10 Cyndaquil: 24 Totodile: 18 Treecko: 14 Torchic: 13 Mudkip: 26 Turtwig: 21 Chimchar: 20 Piplup: 21 Snivy: 17 Tepig : 5 Oshawott: 20 Chespin: 15 Fennekin: 19 Froakie: 20 Rowlet: 17 Litten: 16 Popplio: 21 Link to post Share on other sites
Jess 574 Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 Personally, competitive ability doesn't matter at all. I vote solely based on how well-thought and well-designed a 'mon is (in my opinion). Overrated/too strong Pokemon tend to not be very liked by me though, just because of the "overhype" factor... Link to post Share on other sites
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