Lucifer Morningstar

Nice. I'm sure there will be at least some opportunities to watch the changes on Youtube (as I assume there will be new playthroughs uploaded) but I'll consider a second go. In contrast to Reborn I feel I could handle Rejuv again.

How significant are these revisions? Will long time players be able to avoid confusion?

Alright, something else has come up. I'm now in Lux Apartments in the following adjoining rooms: I understand the concept, there was something like this in Snakewood which I played around a few years ago but I have searched every sparkle tile and clicked every tile in the room at least half a dozen times but am not finding the key.

That's what I've decided to call her for now, Red Head, I almost called her just Red but then I realized, yah know.

First of all, I appreciate this thread. I feel a bit bad when I have to create new ones for all the questions I have even for smaller inquires. So I'm at the top of Eclysia Pyramid facing against Aelita and Melia except that I'm getting the sense that it's not them: 1. The battle text tells me "????? and ????? want to battle". 2. Aelita is also my ally. I've come across some comments about it in this thread: I just want a bit of clarification. I'm gathering that it's actually better to lose this battle in contrast to the similar concept of the Glass Factory gauntlet in Reborn which is required to be won. Braixen's thought: "Aelita...[PC name]...you can't win" seems to be a clue to this as I didn't take it as a lack of faith but as a warning that it would be disastrous to win. I'm getting that the idea is to recognize that these opponents are not real and not succumb to an illusion. Aelita does mention that the red head had the power to create illusions. Am I right here?

Sweet. Will those of us who didn't begin with V13 still be able to obtain the Gen 8 starters?

Ah, the egg generator and quick hatch functions? Yeah I've used Debug for that as well since it appears the daycare mod only works in the Sheridan Village daycare not the GDC one and I am a shiny hunter.

Yes I saw a Youtuber use the Fletching/Quick Guard method. I hadn't expected that battle, had I this information then I certainly would have put it to use. Her losing statement is interesting, isn't that the same thing Melanie says in the ruined present?

I didn't realize winning that battle was optional though I prefer to go for the win regardless. The Madame X/Yvetil battle is the one exception since it's chained to the Neven battle and I didn't want to redo that a bunch.

This much I am aware of, I meant does it effect the relationship/karma system. Does choosing to try to escape effect peoples' views of her differently than doing nothing? Damn, I'm glad I freed Giratina and dodged that bullet.

Damn. I missed this because it never occurred to me to talk to my character as Aelita. Derp. I did get "with all my heart...' from Melia and was wondering if that varied so cool. I'm curious about the dialogue in the scene when the PC goes into a coma as well because at one point in the exchange between the two unidentified individuals one of them inquires about a third person referred to only as "them". I assume this "them" is the PC and at least the response I got was: "They seem good. They make good choices and have been a good friend". (I'm now nearly to the top of the pyramid and although slightly more context has been given to that whole event I still don't understand it but that seems to be part of the design so it's all good). That assessment couldn't possibly be the same when at least some of the bad choices are made: - Give the Magma Stone to Cera - Side with Flora in Darchlight Cave/join Bladestar - Don't battle Kenneth in the ruined present As well as the negative options in the various response choices to other characters (i.e saying 'yes' when Ren asks if you'll let him battle Narcissa first or 'You're on your own' when Aelita asks if you'll help her in the Xen ship). Gardevoir's dialogue also slightly differs based on who you decided to save/try to save in the first past Avium arc. 1. Past-Sheridan when Gardevoir interrupts Vivian's self-sacrificial protection spell. Saved the officer = "[PC name] This is for saving that officer!" Saved Maria = No added line directed at you. She just ignores you. At least that's what I think I remember from watching other playthroughs on Youtube. I saved the officer. 2. pre-Rift Gardevoir battle monologue. "[PC name], my adversary, step forward": Saved the officer = "[PC name] You weren't there when I declared this. I swore upon my master that I would get my revenge for what you've done at the marble mansion. My unbridled hatred and rage will not cease until your blood has been spilled." Saved Maria = "To think that you would go so far to save that poor pathetic little abomination. To sacrifice that poor officer's life for a girl that's destined to die." I also wonder if Melia's choice in the ruined present and Lavender's choice to either free or leave Giratina count for anything since those are still choices made by the player.

Debug mode, but as stated, because it was designed for version 11, it doesn't perform well with version 12. It soft locks in battles when there is a KO on either side with more than one Pokemon, can crash the game and cause other glitches. Admittedly, I have used Debug but with the exception of giving my Gliscor Earthquake (because it's stupid that it doesn't learn it naturally) I DO NOT use it to create significant advantages that the game doesn't provide. Even with that Earthquake access, I am still struggling, more hardcore in some areas than others. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT believe it should be used to generate unavailable Pokemon. If you want a Torchic that much, I suggest restarting the game and selecting it as your starter. Popplio is not as exclusive as another one is available in the game, as are at least 2 other water starters and a much better fairy type.

As I said the option for the stadium wasn't there and the route 9 train gave a route 9 option instead which just looped back to route 9. As to the Fly screen, my custom configuration still did not work. I reassigned PgUp and PgDn and while holding down Fn as @MhicKypointed out lo and behold, it worked. Perhaps due to the Fn requirement, that particular function can't be reassigned to different keys. For some reason East Gearen can't be selected but that's not an issue as it's not tedious to just take the truck from West Gearen. Though I haven't tried it yet, I assume the truck will allow it. Thanx to all that responded here for the help.

Uh oh. I left the Tournament building and am not able to return, the train only gives me Grand Dream Station (which I can't select due to the lockdown: "This station is currently unavailable") and Route 9 as options. The latter must be a glitch since I'm on Route 9. I didn't see a ship at the Tournament building. That's the reason I left. EDIT: Alright. I used Debug to warp back to the Stadium and found the ship. It was night time and dark when I finished the tournament and I saw a large shape but couldn't figure out how to access it. It was worth it as in the meantime I finished the Labyrinth and the Karen quest. I don't know if this solves my Fly problem or not. The guide contains new quests and such from Neo Gearen before the events of Zone Zero that is a main reason I assume I should be able to fly out of the Terrial region now but I can't. I guess I'll finish Zone Zero first and then circle back to this issue if it persists.

I'm not in GDC. The last main plot event I've finished is the Tournament which means I'm locked out.

Noted but the configurations are not the problem. As I said, even when I reassigned the scroll keys it doesn't work in the Fly map.

I tried using Snorlax. My Kangaskhan has better stats and is faster.

I've beaten the nightmare that is Adam and GDC has been closed off due to the bombing at the ball. I'm assuming I am supposed to be able to fly back to Gearen City and perhaps am supposed to but I am a bit lost there as well, however in the Fly map, I can't scroll. On my laptop PgUp and PgDn are my up and down arrows which are already in use as my directional keys that control the character. I have recently started using a controller but my keyboard configurations apply to the controller as well. Therefore I had to reassign the keys but it didn't make a difference. Whatever the assigned keys the scroll function in the Fly map doesn't work. So at the moment I'm not able to fly outside the Terrial Region map and have no access to GDC. Is there perhaps still something I need to do before I'm allowed to leave the Terrial region?

Welp I beat Adam and he was indeed the nightmare I'd expected. I think I'm beginning to despise Inverse battles as much as Friendship evolution. First of all, it's BS that Adam is conveniently prepared for the Inverse Field (Magical Seed, Slash and Burn and X-Scissor on basically everything to combat fire and bug types and Shadow Claw Crustle for Normal types) when although it's set, it's still treated as a random selection. If he'd been unprepared, the battle might have been overly easy but still, that's 100% a cheat. The guide said that a +2 Normalized Vacuum Wave by Lucario can one-shot Mega Aerodactyle. Therefore I gave my Lucario a Magical Seed, Work Up and Vacuum Wave. The setup was a bitch, it took me several goes at it and I ended up needing an X Defend and around 10 Ultra Potions to finally succeed (BTW, Gigalith is the best Pokemon to set up with because it's slow and starts with it's own setup). I went to +3 instead of 2 with Work Up but did NOT one-shot Aerodactyle. In retrospect, Normalized +3 Extreme Speed probably would have been better but I was a dumbfuck and swapped it for Vacuum Wave. I did manage to get it in the yellow and thankfully the universe decided I'd suffered enough. My Infernape landed a critical Mach Punch that finished the damn thing (I realized just a bit ago that I probably should have normalized it as well, oh well). None of his other Pokemon were that difficult. Kangaskhan destroyed what was left after Aerodactyle as well as teamed up with Chandelure to take out Tyranitar with Shadow Claw. My Chandelure has around 250 special attack and a Spooky Plate yet was only able to one shot Tyranitar with a (Shadow Ball) crit which only happened twice.

(Note that all knowledge outside my route came from either this thread or Youtube). This is so well thought out and contains quite a few valid points. I as well have been able to see the flaws in the Bladestar development and choice tree. Let me start by setting the scene: Much the same as the Zekrom/Reshiram split in Reborn represents cold truths vs. beautiful lies, at it's core Erin and the siblings represent biasedness vs. objectivity. I chose objectivity/the neutral route. I partnered with Erin and DID NOT expose Flore at either given opportunity. All three are strangers to us at this point but the siblings are biased on either end of a politics spectrum we are ignorant of and doesn't effect us at least not on the direct level that it does the citizens of GDC. Erin on the other hand is more our equal and allows us, encourages us even to assess all the facts we're able to gather from an objective perspective rather than forcing us on a side which at least Flora's route does. Being forced to join Bladestar with one sided information which is how I read Flora's route goes, is NOT alright with me. Furthermore she established herself as a friend of Aelita's which alone is more reason to trust her than the siblings despite it being the word of a stranger. As to Flora, true, what we saw was suspicious but we have no context. Again, I don't know her, I don't know Bladestar therefore I felt uncomfortable passing judgement and in a real court our character's witness account would not hold up because of the aforementioned absence of context and credibility as an outsider who is furthermore a first time visitor to GDC. Flora claims to want to renovate the badlands for easier outsider access so what we saw could well have been a contribution to that which is a moral cause. Research was also a factor here. I read that when she's arrested she shouts something to the effect of: "You'll see. You made a big mistake!" and this felt to me like a genuine admonishment not just a tantrum. This was reaffirmed for me when Cassandra was revealed to be Team Xen immediately after we leave her office (and I once again chose to withhold what I witnessed). I had trust issues with Cassandra before the choice was presented as well. There were two areas in particular that didn't sit right with me: 1. When I talked to the guy in the Judicial District before going to her office who reveals that she's constructed non-functional buildings that don't even have entrances for pure aesthetics. 2. Her arguments against Flora's desire to renovate the badlands. She makes very clear that she doesn't give a crap about outsiders aka potential tourism and potential new residencies. On another note, this is one of those choices you describe that's actually not one. If you choose to "tell her everything" you still don't because Erin stops you. I think it would have been more interesting to be punished for trusting Cassandra rather than negated. I started to get the sense that either Bladestar is good or Flora is a double agent. Here is where I concur that the follow through becomes flawed or non-existent as well as inconsistent. Given the route that I am on, I as well was quite uncomfortable with the Classified Information forced Flora reveal to the international police despite that Looker and Anabel are far more trustworthy than Cassandra and bluntly stated no interest in going after Bladestar. As with the join Bladestar route, this negated the choices I made as well and there was something else about it that bothered me. Anabel's response implies that we told them that Flora was the leader of Bladestar. Hold up. That's far too specific a reveal for a quest that isn't obligated to be done at one certain part of the game (and I did it quite early on, pre-Past Sheridan/post-apocalyptic timeline). Although it does fit the join Bladestar route regardless of the point in the game, on mine and probably others as well, it's not possible for our character to be certain of Flora's rank until the ball bombing although the Rose Badge is rather strongly indictive. It's possible Anabel came to that conclusion on her own but that's quite a leap for someone in law enforcement. This is but a blip though as I'm seeing that the entire Bladestar choice tree holds no weight in the plot. Here after reading the events that transpire at the Grand Dream Ball, I had begun to feel slightly guilty that I didn't expose Flora, ever slightly as I hold to my reasoning. Then as I'm watching Dai Laughing on Youtube who did, I see that she escaped custody in the middle of her trial. Therefore, apparently it makes no difference whether or not she's arrested, I assume all those lives including possibly Erin are lost regardless and Melia, Alice and Allen put in critical condition. This isn't the first time a choice (or choices) doesn't (don't) hold the weight that is implied. Another is whether to save the officer or Maria in first past-Avium arc. Apart from a few relationship points and establishing whether or not Gardevoir views the PC as a threat, it made no difference in the long run apart from minor dialogue variations in her later appearances. That was one of the hardest choices for me in the game as I'd expected a significant split off that did not occur. Gardevoir's type line as revealed in her rift battle is also nonsensical and random but I digress. We now return to our regularly scheduled Bladestar program. When Classified Information is contrasted to Missing Children, Bladestar's morality suddenly splatters across the spectrum. In Classified Information, we discover that Bladestar not only possesses rift technology but a hidden rift Pokemon which in itself is contradictory because it's the same technology developed and used by their supposed foe Team Xen. But wait, there are more levels of contradiction. Missing Children on the other hand introduces a Bladestar run underground community that gives those who are struggling in life a place of acceptance. While this does fit with Flora's ideals (or what she claims are her ideals if she isn't arrested and attends the meeting with Cassandra), the head of this community is not Flora but someone who is established as unassociated with Bladestar and attempted to harvest a Nano drive from an android that can control Pokemon. Dylan tells the PC that Bladestar has become unrecognizable to him, that it was once genuinely good but their moral approaches derailed. Is this the same Bladestar or another branch or perhaps what is left of the original Bladestar that Dylan remembers and supports? Is Flora the reason they derailed? Who is V, what is her connection to Bladestar and what does she want with ANA's Pokemon controlling Nano drive? Frankly, it's been several chapters and I still don't understand Bladestar or their temperament anymore than I did when they were introduced. We don't much understand Team Xen's ideals and goals either but at least that's somewhat being used as a plot point and Team Xen still carries a lot of weight (they tried to groom Melia through Jenner, both created and killed our character's mother and want to recreate Storm-9 and Madame X is an intriguing mystery) whereas with Bladestar it's just questions being piled on top of questions on top of more questions with no real answers or a sense of plot significance. Granted your very well written assessment here implies that the joining Bladestar route provides a lot more context, that is just another writing inconsistency as it's a rather significant imbalance that leaves the other routes lacking. While this reveals to me the appeal of the joining Bladestar route it still doesn't justify the absence of consent to me. I am still satisfied with my route. Flora's morality is where we disagree. The bombing and her reaction comes off as psychopathy. She is shown in the aftermath scene to be an amoral violent extremist with no real capacity for empathy and more of an interest in seating herself in Cassandra's place to flip the societal dominance than in creating societal equality. That aside I also disagree that the existence of other options didn't mean she didn't see them. It's not a black and white concept and Flora has displayed proneness to violent, narcissistic outbursts right from her introduction even towards her own brother. I have no problem believing that she could have seen every single option and still put all her stock in the most violent one. Even it weren't psychopathy and she felt the same distaste for it as Melia did for allowing Vivian's self sacrifice. Well that's my piece. I'm still holding out hope that there is some benefit to not exposing Flora but not much now.

Thanx and it was 45k.

With Dr. Jenkel and the Miltank stealing Inkay? I've done.

I'll work on that. How do I get the Snorlax in Honec Woods? Aleita does tell you that he's 3rd gym leader level. Texan isn't meant to be a real battle but a distraction.

Welp, Adam is my next gym battle and now that I know he uses an Inverse Field he might steal the crown from Crawli. Inverse Battles can be very difficult.

Thank you for providing this. I never regret my choices because I research them thoroughly (Here I went with 'Do nothing') but I still get super curious what the others entail. Here is the theory I've crafted: Maria/Marionette was sacrificed much, in the same ritual, Vivian sacrificed herself, and thus as it did with Vivian, it produced a reincarnation line with Melia as the current incarnation. In the post-apocalyptic timeline, Melanie is pretty clearly a or perhaps the version of Melia who was never placed in Jenner's care so was raised with coldness and greed presumably by Indriad rather than with love, compassion, and individuality similar to how Kenneth never became Keta. We've never met Indriad in our present timeline...or well at least a present version of him but what became of him hasn't been established and if he's dead in our timeline he doesn't have to be in this one, clearly a lot changed. I find it interesting how Melanie seemed to be aware of who Melia was and what physical contact with her meant. Furthermore that while she either lured or tried to lure Melia into the merge in 'Hand it Over' and 'Try to Escape', she feared and avoided it in 'Do Nothing' indicating that she knew whether or not she'd come out dominant. How was she more astute than Melia who knew nothing until receiving Madam X's vague warning? Someone in the comments points out some smart irony in 'Hand it Over'. At one point Madam X told Valarie: "There's always a bigger fish waiting to take everything from you." to which Valarie responds by figuratively spitting in her face with the rebuttal question of who that would be. Then at the coronation Madam X's helmet is sitting next to the throne implying that Melanie over powered her. On the subject of the 'Hand it Over' scenario, I was confused as to how Amber was able to sense the wrongness of the outcome and retain at least an inkling of the PC's existence after we're erased. This seems to reveal that Amber is important and might possess a special ability like Melia and the PC but how? FYI: For those in a position that doesn't allow them to watch the video, this old thread contains brief written summaries of each outcome: