more important: moves or stats?

[beelze]

I was wondering bout something is stats on your pokemon more important than the actual power of the movies. Example charizard: he is a speciall attacker however if we compare flamethrower with power of 90 and flare blitz wch is a physical attack with 120 power. Now charizard is more powerful in the special attacker but bc flare blitz is more powerful move wch one will do more damage?

[Rendolf]

Flamethrower will definitely do more damage, especially if its EV trained, which is why specializing for physical or special even matters

[Gastronely]

Specially with Solar Power, there's no need to run a physical set. Just use Flamethrower, and if you want more power at the cost of low accuracy, use Heat Wave

[Mimikyu]

Just now, Gastronely said:

Specially with Solar Power, there's no need to run a physical set. Just use Flamethrower, and if you want more power at the cost of low accuracy, use Heat Wave

Or Inferno if your that much of a mad man

[wcv]

3 hours ago, beelze said:

I was wondering bout something is stats on your pokemon more important than the actual power of the movies. Example charizard: he is a speciall attacker however if we compare flamethrower with power of 90 and flare blitz wch is a physical attack with 120 power. Now charizard is more powerful in the special attacker but bc flare blitz is more powerful move wch one will do more damage?

Flare Blitz will deal more damage all things being equal.

 

To demonstrate, I'll show the damage from a level 100 Charizard to a level 100 Mew (since its typing does not give Weaknesses or Resistances, and it has 100 in both defense and Special Defense). This assumes max EVs, no weather, and neutral nature. A Flare Blitz from Charizard will deal between 43.1 and 51 percent of the Mew's health as damage. Flamethrower deals only 38.1 to 45.1 percent.

 

This changes if your Charizard has Solar Power (but ONLY if it has Solar Power). If the Charizard has Solar Power, then under Sun Flamethrower will deal 86.2 to 101.4 percent of the Mew's health as damage, versus only 64.5 and 76.5 percent off of Flare Blitz. But this is only because Solar Power gives Charizard a 50% boost to special attack first.

 

Note, Flamethrower is the better option however. This is because Charizard's moveset, heavily leans toward being a Special Attacker, as well the higher overall stats in that direction (and in Reborn we don't have Earthquake yet). And Flamethrower doesn't beat Charizard over the Head with all of the recoil damage.

[beelze]

1 hour ago, wcv said:

Flare Blitz will deal more damage all things being equal.

 

To demonstrate, I'll show the damage from a level 100 Charizard to a level 100 Mew (since its typing does not give Weaknesses or Resistances, and it has 100 in both defense and Special Defense). This assumes max EVs, no weather, and neutral nature. A Flare Blitz from Charizard will deal between 43.1 and 51 percent of the Mew's health as damage. Flamethrower deals only 38.1 to 45.1 percent.

 

This changes if your Charizard has Solar Power (but ONLY if it has Solar Power). If the Charizard has Solar Power, then under Sun Flamethrower will deal 86.2 to 101.4 percent of the Mew's health as damage, versus only 64.5 and 76.5 percent off of Flare Blitz. But this is only because Solar Power gives Charizard a 50% boost to special attack first.

 

Note, Flamethrower is the better option however. This is because Charizard's moveset, heavily leans toward being a Special Attacker, as well the higher overall stats in that direction (and in Reborn we don't have Earthquake yet). And Flamethrower doesn't beat Charizard over the Head with all of the recoil damage.

thnx man, so power of the moves have more effect how mch dmg it will deal than stats of the pokemon

[wcv]

1 hour ago, beelze said:

thnx man, so power of the moves have more effect how mch dmg it will deal than stats of the pokemon

In this one specific case, yes. But part of my point was that its highly reliant on what the situation is. And also what Pokemon you're trying to consider. For example, Gyarados could be seen in a similar position with Hydro Pump vs Waterfall. Waterfall has BP of 80 vs Hydro Pump with power of 110, will see Waterfall deal more damage, because Gyarados's Special Attack is just so much worse than its Physical Attack. And like I noted, if you have Solar Power then Flamethrower is more powerful under Sun. And in Reborn you really have no reason not to run Solar Power Charizard (both because of sheer power, and also because several good TMs for Charizard are either extremely late-game, or not available yet), with the only reason to run physical instead if you plan on using Charizard X.

[Raghav]

Just give it a charizardite y and spam heat wave/fire blasts or solarbeam for coverage LoL and also give it modest nature for more POWERRRRRR !!!!!

Edited June 3, 2021 by Raghav

[wcv]

38 minutes ago, Raghav said:

Just give it a charizardite y and spam heat wave/fire blasts or solarbeam for coverage LoL and also give it modest nature for more POWERRRRRR !!!!!

Not available in Reborn yet.

[OmegaSolare]

21 hours ago, wcv said:

In this one specific case, yes. But part of my point was that its highly reliant on what the situation is. And also what Pokemon you're trying to consider. For example, Gyarados could be seen in a similar position with Hydro Pump vs Waterfall. Waterfall has BP of 80 vs Hydro Pump with power of 110, will see Waterfall deal more damage, because Gyarados's Special Attack is just so much worse than its Physical Attack. And like I noted, if you have Solar Power then Flamethrower is more powerful under Sun. And in Reborn you really have no reason not to run Solar Power Charizard (both because of sheer power, and also because several good TMs for Charizard are either extremely late-game, or not available yet), with the only reason to run physical instead if you plan on using Charizard X.

Mega Charizard X Attack stats and Sp. Attack stats are balanced. But with this ability Tough Claws, Flare Blitz will do more damage, even if it causes recoil to the user. But Flamethrower doesn't receive power boost due to being a non-direct move. That's why running physical is the better choice for Mega Charizard X because there's no special moves that are direct moves which they're learned by Charizard.

[Raghav]

14 hours ago, wcv said:

Not available in Reborn yet.

It was just a joke bruh and also charizardite y and solar beam are available in reborn

[wcv]

6 hours ago, Raghav said:

It was just a joke bruh and also charizardite y ...available in reborn

No it isn’t.