Salem Coven Chaos - Town Win

[Falirion]

I really do not care right now, if you really think lynching me is the right choice then you will see how wrong you are, really no skin of my back
Hypurr is definetly lying, and that should not surprise anyone here considering his behaviour so far, at my guess he is a Jester trying to get himself lynched, and as such the last any spot,
so if i get lynched here, you will see i was saying the truth and then i would suggest our jailor (if he hasn't been vampirised by now) to execute hypurr, and then lynch drago if hypurr flips as ANYTHING that isn't on our current role list
now if hypurr flips as something of the current rolelist that astra and myself seperatly mentioned, then there could be possibility that aldo is BSing (i would not put it past him in fact i wouldn't put it past him to actually be psychic and replace one name in his vision just to mess with people, because this guy plays like a madman when he feels like it)
but matt being evil strikes me as more likely (i really do not know how he keeps his "always evil" track record, and i am not sure if i would call it a blessing or a curse)
and nicki, i really expect better from you, since you are usually more perceptive than this, i can see why you would vote me, but seriously taking dive's obvious fakeclaim at face value? REALLY??

Edited May 2, 2020 by Falirion
Or not and

[Seal]

5 hours ago, Astra125 said:

@EndearingCharacterTrait and @Seal. Were either of you poisoned because everyone else has talked and no one has mentioned it.

I haven't been poisoned.

 

There STILL isn't any activity in the vampire chat. I don't know if this is due to a single vampire being unlucky, the vampires only being to talk the night after the conversion or the vampires just straight up not saying anything.

 

Statistically speaking Fali has a higher chance of being evil.

 

[Trial] Falirion

 

[EndearingCharacterTrait]

hi im still alive

@Astra125 no poison here either

 

erm as far as anything to add uhhhhh

at the least I can say that Fali is not lying about being visited by an escort and pirate, so make of that what you will I guess

 

that being said he should have received a third visitor as well, though it's possible he wouldn't know that

 

uhh anything else...

oh right I'm inclined to believe there may be at least one more pirate that isn't Bean unless I just don't know how to read

otherwise Bean would have had to be the one who visited Fali and then died

 

(ok so now having said that it is very possible that is exactly what happened, but I am not sure based on the phase and system messages) 

 

so yeah that's that

[LykosHand]

To be honest the one who i'm suspecting the most is Aldo, yeah he could have said the truth about what he claimed but at the same time i think it's an easy role to claim (as someone already said) 

 

As for Hypurr i'm still waiting for his post to clear about himself a bit

 

So what i want to do is for now voting Aldo and if Hypurr won't say anything today, i'll change my vote on him

 

[Trial] Aldo

[Astra125]

Ok. By process of elimination, Hypurr is the poisoner if I have my facts straight. Hypurr is the one I roleblocked so if no one is poisoned, Hypurr is the poisoner. If you are poisoned, speak now or you'll die at night if doc doesn't visit you. 

Jailor, between Fali and Drago, jail the one that we don't lynch so we end up lynching the wrong one, then execute the other one. If their both town sided, then we go after Aldo the next phase.

 

5 hours ago, Alistair said:

Well yes, it's pretty established by now that one or several among Drago, Falirion, Hypurr and Aldo is bsing, and I don't think it's Aldo. It's not impossible, but throwing three random names and having one of them actually flipping scum takes some balls, and some luck.

You say that but then I remember DnD mafia where Aldo nearly nailed the mafia and only got away with it because there was a mastermind in the mafia chat to make the numbers match

[Astra125]

Trial Hypurr

Forgot my vote

[cicada]

There you go, I roleblocked Fali last night.

 

By this logic, either Hypurr or Fali is the Poisoner, assuming nobody was poisoned last night.

 

4 hours ago, Falirion said:

and nicki, i really expect better from you, since you are usually more perceptive than this, i can see why you would vote me, but seriously taking dive's obvious fakeclaim at face value? REALLY??

Not sure where you're coming from here...

[Falirion]

3 hours ago, Seal said:

Statistically speaking Fali has a higher chance of being evil.

 

[Trial] Falirion

 

You know what you say about statistics? Statistics say nothing about the idividual

 

32 minutes ago, EndearingCharacterTrait said:

hi im still alive

@Astra125 no poison here either

 

erm as far as anything to add uhhhhh

at the least I can say that Fali is not lying about being visited by an escort and pirate, so make of that what you will I guess

 

that being said he should have received a third visitor as well, though it's possible he wouldn't know that

 

uhh anything else...

oh right I'm inclined to believe there may be at least one more pirate that isn't Bean unless I just don't know how to read

otherwise Bean would have had to be the one who visited Fali and then died

 

(ok so now having said that it is very possible that is exactly what happened, but I am not sure based on the phase and system messages) 

 

so yeah that's that

Pirate is a unique role, there can only be one, so bean was the only one, your claim is interesting, i recognize the role you are claiming, if that claim is true.... well i guess we will have to see nothing i say will be believe so idk why i even bother

7 minutes ago, Astra125 said:

Ok. By process of elimination, Hypurr is the poisoner if I have my facts straight. Hypurr is the one I roleblocked so if no one is poisoned, Hypurr is the poisoner. If you are poisoned, speak now or you'll die at night if doc doesn't visit you. 

Jailor, between Fali and Drago, jail the one that we don't lynch so we end up lynching the wrong one, then execute the other one. If their both town sided, then we go after Aldo the next phase.

 

You say that but then I remember DnD mafia where Aldo nearly nailed the mafia and only got away with it because there was a mastermind in the mafia chat to make the numbers match

I am sorry to say that you are wrong, Hypurr visited Alistair N1, ie the night you were poisoned as i already said, i know what i saw, and at this point fucking lynch me, then you will see that i am saying the truth.
Hypurr literally can't be the poisoner
I'd selfvote if it was allowed since nothing short of me flipping as Lookout will prove my point at this rate (and believe ME i WILL)

4 minutes ago, cicada said:

There you go, I roleblocked Fali last night.

 

By this logic, either Hypurr or Fali is the Poisoner, assuming nobody was poisoned last night.

 

Not sure where you're coming from here...

Well you are wrong on both counts, as you will soon see

and what i mean is, as astra and myself said the entire last day, dive's executioner claim did not explain the attack astra recieved, so it was just a convienient excuse and it was obvious as one

[cicada]

Please tell me where I took Dive's claim at face value, because from today's posts I can only see me referring back to Aldo's evil and good lists.

[Falirion]

1 minute ago, cicada said:

Please tell me where I took Dive's claim at face value, because from today's posts I can only see me referring back to Aldo's evil and good lists.

I meant last day, i am speaking slightly offtopic, since it currently literally doesn't matter to me, but you were going on about not lynching a claimed executioner despite evidence to that claim being fake, thats what i mean, as for today
for aldo's psychic visions, i have to assume i just got unlucky here, dive was clearly an evil for the 1st vision, hypurr may be too, although due to my observation he can't be a killing role unless alistair somehow has basic defense, he definetly isn't the poisoner, and alistair speaking against him would make him not a vampire, unless again ali has basic defense, and none of the roles that we know are in the game had that N1 (coven leader has now with the necronomicon)
the the inno vision i have to assume that you were the garantied town (if hypurr is town, which i fear he actually might, then he is literally gamethrowing)
and for today's definetly drago
all of that is provided aldo's claim is true.... which considering it's aldo could be anything
but i am wasting my breath
@mimi vote me, lynch me, that is the only way to confirm my information at this point

[Falirion]

Hold up a second, no one has claimed to have been jailed, neither today nor last day, whats up with that?

11 hours ago, Alistair said:

Hypurr privately told me that he visited Mimi N1, which contradicts Fali's version.

ALSO how did you talk privately to Hypurr, if i may ask? you 2 did not whisper

[GenEric]

Let's all just focus our votes on fali 

If he really turns out to be coven then we can vote for hypurr the next day

[Hypurr]

Okay, calm down people. Think I should've brought a poetry over a useful knowledge, but you begged way too much, I'll indulge you in few things not yet brought up.

 

First, about me being a Lookout? That's right, sorry Jailor, I bullshitted about being a Lookout. Why would I say my actual role if I get killed and stray away from my wincon? C'mon, destroy yourselves just a little bit more. Make me win, then I will basically become a townie with immunity to attacks from Coven.

 

Not vampires, because now that I think of the sudden absence of the act for three nights straight, it's pretty unnaturally unlucky. How would they fail such a simple act? They can try again the next night if they fail to convert anyone. And we already had a list of people saying they were roleblocked. I'm beginning to feel that the Vampire Hunter claim was no more than a ruse.

 

Second, I was jailed for two nights straight, the last night being me getting roleblocked, poisoned, threatened to burn my pretty hair, calling me a pet, handing me expired discount biscuits, and somebody snooping in my bed to smell my scent while I chatted with the Jailor about life. Fucking furries. Not sure why anyone would poison the arguably scummy as fuck guy who talks about batman, like, the revealed Mayor would've been the perfect target. Coven lads you had one job. Don't make me actually side with town.

 

Now if I surmise the talk, I'd point out my thoughts over the Psychic suspicion. Usually, anyone would be relieved to see them being seen as one of the towny ones, even though not confirmed. Fali appearing twice may still be a coincidence, but it could be Aldo bussing some of them out to make sure he clears himself up as confirmed. Of course, I said that because I'm not a visiting role. Yet Fali said I visited Ali. That's nice I guess, but how did he know exactly who I visited? If it weren't for me being controlled of course, that would've been extremely odd and bold.

 

But knowing exactly that also means Fali might be the Coven Leader as we speak, therefore.

[Trial] Falirion

[Falirion]

So hypurr? your defense is to admit you are were lying claiming a evil 3rd party, and then actually confirm my claim, that is fucking hilarious, good job, (you still sound like a jester begging to be lynched but at this point, that probably isn't my problem) reminder that there can be more than 1 lookout in a game, as lookout isn't unique
And i knew who you were visiting because coven leader forced visits are visible to a lookout if they happen to watch the target, WHAT A CONCEPT!

i was about to say, since drago was the only one to have claimed jailed, that there might be no jailor in this game, and i am still iffy on that because what jailor in their right mind wouldn't execute you with your play, lmao

8 hours ago, EndearingCharacterTrait said:

hi im still alive

@Astra125 no poison here either

 

erm as far as anything to add uhhhhh

at the least I can say that Fali is not lying about being visited by an escort and pirate, so make of that what you will I guess

 

that being said he should have received a third visitor as well, though it's possible he wouldn't know that

 

uhh anything else...

oh right I'm inclined to believe there may be at least one more pirate that isn't Bean unless I just don't know how to read

otherwise Bean would have had to be the one who visited Fali and then died

 

(ok so now having said that it is very possible that is exactly what happened, but I am not sure based on the phase and system messages) 

 

so yeah that's that

so ETC, your claim there it's obvious to whoever actually read the roles so you might aswell tell us more, you can see which people were visited by the coven each night (and mafia but there probably isn't one) so might telling us who were visited by the coven in the previous nights? (especially N1) and if you don't get around to it, then write it in your last will (it's a travestey that amine didn't write his results in his last will)

[EndearingCharacterTrait]

7 minutes ago, Falirion said:

so ETC, your claim there it's obvious to whoever actually read the roles so you might aswell tell us more, you can see which people were visited by the coven each night (and mafia but there probably isn't one) so might telling us who were visited by the coven in the previous nights? (especially N1) and if you don't get around to it, then write it in your last will (it's a travestey that amine didn't write his results in his last will)

I actually don't know that, I was only told about your visitors

 

Alas, I do not have knowledge about the magical girls running around (yet...)

[Falirion]

53 minutes ago, EndearingCharacterTrait said:

I actually don't know that, I was only told about your visitors

 

Alas, I do not have knowledge about the magical girls running around (yet...)

wait what?, what are you claiming then?
you know what nevermind... just actually keep a proper last will (this counts for everyone)

[cicada]

Okay wew, this is a huge text wall on mobile so I’m going to spoiler tag it, so it doesn’t spam the entire page, and hope its formatting doesn’t screw up. It’s probably not so big of a text wall on pc but here goes.
 

Spoiler

The one thing that bothers me about all of this is how salty you are acting, Fali. It’s not normal for you to act in such a way, especially in mafia games. I do not know if it’s because you’re salty that you’ve been caught out or salty because no one believes you, or if it’s something else entirely. Everything that has taken place over the past 2 game days (this day phase and the previous one) is just...so weird and out of character to me.

 

I don’t think Hypurr is actually the Jester, but I already had a feeling he was non-town, and he basically just confirmed it. There’s a chance he could be lying about his ability to visit, though. Evil roles can and will claim Jester if it’s convenient enough for them to not get lynched. I don’t believe he is Jester since I have seen him play and win as the Fool/Jester over on PC, and I can say his behaviour in that game was much different to how it is in this one. Granted, that could be a ruse.

 

See, I could change my vote to Hypurr or even Matt, but I don’t see a good reason as to why I should do that right now. The last time you acted in a similar manner to how you are now (trying to blend in and trying to be helpful) was when you were Takano (mafia) in Higurashi Mafia. I could be wrong regarding this but this is similar to how you behaved in that game, minus the anger you seem to be exhibiting in your posts (again, I do not know the cause of this). I gave you the benefit of the doubt in that game despite scum-reading you*.

 

You can mention your talk about how Dive was really WW all you want, but for me this doesn’t solidify that you’re town. The simple reason for this being that Coven and WW are on opposing sides and the WW actually poses a risk to you as your wincons are not compatible. (This is assuming you are actually a member of the Coven) And, please note, I am not voting for you based on this scenario. It is a factor, sure, but I am voting you because of the fact the claimed Psychic’s evil report flashed your name twice. He’s been accurate so far and I don’t see why Aldo would suddenly start lying. Yes, his playstyle is chaotic and almost as random as Bean’s, but he’s become a bit more reliable now as his evil list has been proven by Dive’s flip.

 

As for your comment about me usually being perceptive, I can’t see what that had to do with anything. I’m also following this game and trying my best and I am using the knowledge I know from ToS to play this game. This is probably the longest I have survived in Nano’s ToS themed games (Jester revenge kill in first game, N0’d in Lovers) and so I’m trying to play in both a way that is still normal to my playstyle on the forums whilst sticking true to my very different playstyle on ToS itself.

 

Through this, I have been able to confirm that Eric, Lykos and yourself are not Serial Killers as I was not knowingly healed at any point during the game so far and I haven’t died to an SK (yet). There probably isn’t an SK in play since we haven’t seen anyone die to one, however that is important information as we do not yet know what the missing role is. It could be anything from Jester to Plaguebearer, however we can assume it is not a town role.

 

Forgive me for saying this, but you seem to just be throwing accusations left, right and centre whilst trying to credit yourself as town and putting down others for not originally sharing your viewpoint. If you want me to believe you, prove to me that you are town and stop being aggressive. It doesn’t suit you and it’s worrying, frankly.

 

* As previously mentioned, your behaviour in Higurashi Mafia was convincing enough to not get you lynched throughout the entire game. It might be difficult to earn my trust for this one, but I am willing to listen to reason—and unfortunately, I’m not sure if your current one is good enough to swap my vote.

 

I have more to say but I’ve already rambled and said my bit for now. I’m sorry if I have upset or offended any of you in any way, I am not trying to be a dick.

[Alistair]

11 hours ago, Falirion said:

ALSO how did you talk privately to Hypurr, if i may ask? you 2 did not whisper

There are roles in the game that can make it possible.

 

@GenEric @cicada @Seal btw rereading the thread, I know for a fact that Drago lied about at least one thing, so as scummy as Fali may seem, I'd like you guys to reconsider. I'm all for lynching them both, but Drago and Hypurr take priority over Fali imo. Hypurr basically confessed being non-town.

[Falirion]

@cicada I'd say my behaviour including the more aggressive part is more characteristic for me as town, compare with Legends of Derry, Left 4 Dead and chaos mafia, although that doesn't mean much considering it's coming from me
as for facts? i know you can't be coven, as already mentioned you appeared innocent to our sherrif in a night where the necronomicon wasn't given out yet, so you couldn't be
also due to my observation as a lookout of hypurrs action (which he just confirmed for me) and alistairs reaction to that hypurr isn't coven either, so some 3rd party to be sure
astra is absolutely what he claims, no reason to doubt that
seal has claimed vampire hunter, and despite it being hypurr that brought it up, it's odd that we haven't had any indication of said vampires that would have to be in the game for there to be a vampire hunter, it's something to consider
Drago is a lying liar who lies, but not the poisoner if he really was jailed N1 (which would be suicidal when there is an actual jailor) at my guess he is the coven leader, being roleblock immune he would still have been able to witch hypurr to visit alistair, and speaking of that hypurr literally just confirmed that he was indeed witched that night, and his previous claim was false, so my version actually has more credibility
Aldo is random as fuck but for now i am still willing to believe his psychic claim (and blame my bad luck) since his visions seem accurate enough, now if drago where to miracolously not be evil then it would be different, but i doubt it
ECT just made a claim that honestly makes no sense to me, my intial read for his claim of having seen what actions affected me was spy, but a spy would know who was visited by coven/mafia each night, and a lookout wouldn't have questioned that the pirate that visited me was bean, so i really don't know what to make of that

[Hypurr]

It isn't something unusual. Games like these tend to get intense real quick. Makes me recall how there was a time in some other place where I got warned for trying too hard to prove a point kek.

 

But I'd rather have meta reasons out of the way since these don't truly justify as a reasoning in here. Just because one acted like such or played unusually different in other past games doesn't always determine the truth about who they are actually. When relied too much, it also makes the whole perception part rather cheap. This is mafia, not some soap opera about dying for real.

[mimi]

hi i'm alive

 

it's possible that both drago and fali are both lookouts, or one of them is lying. honestly, i'm not entirely sure if i believe aldo's psychic claim. i know he got dive right, but who knows, it might actually be really luck. isn't it a bit strange that in his list for today has me in it? come on, it's just waaaaay to convenient for him to put me in there since i've revealed myself, and maybe he put fali and drago together just to spice up some drama

 

jk

 

anyway, i don't entirely believe his claim but i'll trust him for now. i suppose he is pretty random, like u guys said

which is why i love him jk LOL

 

3 minutes ago, Hypurr said:

But I'd rather have meta reasons out of the way since these don't truly justify as a reasoning in here. Just because one acted like such or played unusually different in other past games doesn't always determine the truth about who they are actually. When relied too much, it also makes the whole perception part rather cheap. This is mafia, not some soap opera about dying for real.

I agree with you there, Hyper

[mimi]

also u should take a chill pill fali

[Astra125]

So a few things to unpack.

1. Hypurr should probably be lynched at some point because I don't see a non-town role that wins with town and does visit. (Assume Fali is telling the truth) Also, I'm assuming that is was an attempt at poisoning because I don't think you can be poisoned when jailed.

2. Fali and Drago both have things against them. While, I couldn't find what Ali said about Drago, I trust Ali to be town based off what I know. As for Fali, I pointed out in the my last point what I think is weird with Hypurr and this sort applies here. I also agree with Nicki that voting to lynch of Dive shows nothing about being townsided because whatever Dive flipped as, it was a role that was against everyone else.

3. The is weird and probably out there to suggest but maybe whispers have been used to communicate between vampires instead of the chat because Seal did reveal himself D2. The only issue with this then was that there could have been two vampires without really knowing there was a vampire hunter. Not much is there for the being vampires in the first place. Seal, who did you visit last night and maybe think about going after someone who made a whisper in the previous phase to test this theory out.

4. This popped in my head as I was typing but maybe Aldo could be executioner if he's not psychic. Risky but by the time we figure Aldo's is lying, we probably would have lynched his victim already. However, I think we should focus on Fali and Drago instead of going after this is since, going after the executioner doesn't help town. Just a thought I haven'y put too much behind but maybe I should put this here to see what guys think.

 

I'll be honest and say I'm more leaning towards Drago than Fali at this point. If one doesn't flip up as evil, then jailor, execute the other. If both flip town, then let's consider Aldo the next phase.

Unvote Hypurr

Trial Drago

[Alistair]

@mimi since your vote counts triple, I believe you could put either Drago or Fali on trial then and there

[Nano4]

as the day came to a close with names and suspicions flying everywhere no one got enough votes to be put on trial, seems like only the night will bring new information

 

Its a full moon night

 

Night 4 lasts 24 hours