Maelstrom 312 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 On 4/5/2018 at 2:55 PM, Velthomer21 said: Yet another TWEWY quote. No spoilers, though. (Still put in spoilers if someone both wants to play TWEWY and play it completely blind.) Hide contents "Everyone has their own little internal world, a secret garden only they can enter. Each world follows its own internal logic - individuality. And the logic of one world might mean nothing in another. Understanding other people isn't hard.....It's impossible." And this one "Give up on yourself, and you give up on the world." So...understanding other people is impossible. Go float yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
Velthomer21 39 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Maelstrom said: So...understanding other people is impossible. Go float yourself. Spoiler Yeah, it kinda is. Hell, a decent amount of people these days can't even understand themselves. And what does The 100 have to do with this? Anyway. "It was the wont of the immortal gods sometimes to grant prosperity and long impunity to men whose crimes they were minded to punish in order that a complete reverse of fortune might make them suffer more bitterly." - Gaius Julius Caesar. (Also please don't double post.) Link to post Share on other sites
Maelstrom 312 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 The 100 is a somewhat decent study in viewpoints. Especially in the way the narrative follows people such that the viewpoint and the person or people you sympathize with makes 180 turns many times. Spoiler Understanding other people is Humanity 101. It is the fucking basis of linguistics and society itself, you person. (It is also how I know such words will offend you and people whose duty it is to admonish me for using such words that accurately convey the regard in which I hold you). Sympathy and empathy are the true cornerstones of human interaction- whether it is with other humans or other species (like pets, for example). Saying it is impossible to understand other people is willful ignorance. And the antithesis of this whole thread. *shots fired* If there's a takeaway from all this is that people can understand what others are going through, and how it can affect them. Except republicans. They generally only think about how taxes cost them personally rather than how taxes are use to provide services for all. I mean, who needs police or the fire department, amirite? terrible example right? right. Nobody cares if airports and air force runways are near neighborhoods, creating massive amounts of noise at times when people are at home trying to sleep (I mean, public zoning laws are arbitrary and in no way reflect the experiences and desires of individuals outside one's self, right?). Why should we pay employees anyways? It's not like they have their own dreams and necessities. Stab the next human being you come across and see if you can't understand the verbal and visual expressions that happen as a result. Tell me how that goes for you. Tell me the judiciary system exists independently of the human experience. Don't tell me that it's impossible to understand other people when contrary examples are all around you. Link to post Share on other sites
Eviora 159 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Spoiler @Maelstrom I don't think such hostility is warranted here. It seems to me like there's just a miscommunication occurring between the two of you. It's absolutely true that (most) people are capable of empathizing with others. Learning a little about the people you interact with happens naturally. And, if you become close enough, you can get to know each other very well, too. I agree that it's extremely possible to gain great insights into why people behave the way they do. I'm not certain Velthomer is denying that, either. If I had to guess based on the context of that quote, I'd say it's referring to complete understanding. I won't say it's impossible, but fully understanding anyone, even yourself, is incredibly difficult. The human mind is wildly complex. So much is rooted in memories, associations, and self-narrative. I've certainly surprised myself plenty of times, and I know I'm not alone in that. Link to post Share on other sites
Velthomer21 39 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Sirius said: oh lord. o__o Hide contents 1, @Velthomer21 pls pls pls pls for the love of god take your quote out of your spoiler and put the rest of your post in the spoiler x'D im trying so hard 2, @Maelstrom Mael in particular please put your post in a spoiler or hide/delete your post if its not a quote or comforting message or some other relevant media to the topic. While I personally disagreed with Velt's initial quote too and I - like Lia - agree with your point (pretty strongly too tbh, imo its arrogant and dogmatic to regard empathy as an impossibility, in addition to it being close-minded and ignorant^), the hostility in your post seems very unwarranted and unnecessary as you'll already know from your earlier status and if there's some sort of personal issue between you both I recommend taking it up civilly with each other in private messages? I also implore you to edit in an apology to your post if not to Velt then at least openly to others since hostility is also the antithesis of this thread :/ Also, like, I've literally no idea where that politics talk came fromeven if its true kek jk. This is what that is for. On a similar note, not everyone excluding republicans/politicians in the world is empathetic, and that's a character flaw to help someone with, not lash out at them for. Though that's simply my personal opinion and I know there's those that disagree with it. But yeah. As Evi already said, none of that here of all places please. @Velthomer21 I hope you don't feel too uncomfortable to post here or just speak for yourself in general following this ^ because you are (and anyone is) still welcome here, as always, obviously lowkey also @Eviora can u pls put your post in a spoiler pls C: no seriously everyone, please do Most of us are complicated, difficult, scared, confused, ashamed, sad, angry, and more... Just like you. - unknown Spoiler First of all, why would I ever feel uncomfortable to post? Secondly, is it not arrogant to say that you can achieve complete understanding of a person? As if you're calling them simple and easy to understand? As TWEWY puts it, individuals work on their own logic, and the logic of one person may mean nothing to another. To say or even imply that you completely understand anybody, even yourself, entirely is to diminish the complexity involved in their logic, emotions, mental stability, beliefs, looks, opinions, faith, etc. Like the speaker says (still don't want to spoil TWEWY), true and complete understanding is impossible. Thirdly, as you've seen, now using spoilers correctly. Oh, and @Maelstrom, you're wrong. I'm not offended by anything that you said. It is your right to say it, although I will mention that I found the bit about you immediately assuming my political stance (incorrectly) pretty funny and pretty ironic, considering the basis of the quote you were apparently offended by. Anyway, let's get back on track. "You have to be careful about placing labels on good and evil, Seliph. Don't waste your anger on individuals. Instead, focus it on the evil in all of us." Link to post Share on other sites
Maelstrom 312 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 'What doesn't kill you... had better start running.' xD Link to post Share on other sites
Candy 1688 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Spoiler 4 hours ago, Sirius said: not everyone excluding republicans/politicians in the world is empathetic Did u have a certain smol candy in mind when u typed dis jk Also, donut worry Velthomer-kun, even if we're in the minority, I do agree with the quote yaw posted~ keep it coming boi~ Might as well post something since I'm here tho :thinking: "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye" - Fox (The Little Prince) Link to post Share on other sites
Bigodes 2 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 The poem Invictus have always been meaningful to me, despite its acquired cheesiness. There are three very meaningful things that echo to me in that poem: First, what is happening at any moment is a direct consequence of at least one past action of mine. I should not blame anyone else for that, and thinking this way frees me of that toxic whose-fault-is-it? mindset. Second, struggling and suffering are necessary realities. Everyone has their own, it would be too much wanting not to struggle at any point. Third, tough times pass, and they always leave something sweet (or at least bittersweet) behind. Even if it is only the fact that I can be proud for getting through it. Quote In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the Horror of the shade, And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid. Link to post Share on other sites
Lorisaur 72 Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 "There will always be at least one person to love you" Link to post Share on other sites
Arys 36 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I just know this thread exists "As lonely as it is... and as sad as it is, it's probably proof of how precious their existence is. They become sparkling, dazzling, and treasured memories that I'll carry inside my heart forever. That's why for me, this heart wrenching feeling is the proof of our happiness" "If you get stuck in memories of those times, you won't be able to appreciate all the fun that's happening now. So don't be thinking "that time was fun", because you should be thinking "that time was also fun"" "Being able to find the fun that's happening right now is the best way to enjoy the present. Because of that, you should try your best to value the present. Since it's going to change sooner or later" "You can't become anyone else. You can only become yourself" - Manga Aria "A human cannot understand a spider’s feelings. A spider cannot understand a frog’s feelings." "I have no choice but to run away. But is this how running away actually feels? This unbearable frustration. Pathetic. I can't forgive myself for always running away" "Living without honor is no different from dying" - Manga Kumo desu ga, nani ka? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Relinquished Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 "Sometimes, by losing a battle, you find a new way to win the war. Don't ever get down on yourself, just keep fighting - in the end, you win!" Link to post Share on other sites
Rising Emperor 73 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 "Home is where someone is thinking about you" By: Jiraiya the toad sannin Link to post Share on other sites
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