Lord Chespin Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 So, in case you guys didn't know, Pokemon Reborn has a page on TVTropes! I've been working to embellish it and improve it, but it's a lot of work for just one person, especially the YMMV Page. So, I figured I'd recruit some help from the forums, and what better place to start than with That One Boss! That One Boss, also known as a scrappy boss, is a boss that gives most players a ton of trouble. It's significantly harder than most bosses, and is more or less a brick wall to progress. Now, that doesn't mean it can't be awesome; it's just that they're really, really freaking difficult, even more so than most bosses within the game. So,, what do you guys think that That One Boss is within Pokemon Reborn and Pokemon Reborn Hardcore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreezyPonie Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Probably Charlotte, since she's the one most people have had trouble with on average, though that's bound to change once the game is finished I think. Although, really, depending on your team, any boss could be That One Boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fumble Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I'd say Arceus, because there's very few strategies that can counter it, and you actually need to fight it and win (if you side with Radomus) unlike Garchomp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I really wouldn't say Charlotte. I don't know why everyone had so much trouble with her, but I guess they did. I'd probably go for the Arceus or Garchomp fight because in those you've got to make use of a lot of strategy to take down a single pokemon, rather than an entire leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Elliot Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 It is a matter of personal preference, so unless the page has a YMMV sub-page, I'd avoid using that one trope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted December 19, 2015 Support Squad Share Posted December 19, 2015 Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mde2001 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I don't really think you can put down a gym leader because they really vary in difficulty because of your team. If you have to put one down I also think Arceus or Garchomp because they are always going to be higher level than you and require a strategy to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods Ice Cream Sand Witch Posted December 19, 2015 Global Mods Share Posted December 19, 2015 @everyone saying Garchomp and Arceus: those actually are closer to Hopeless Boss Fight than That One Boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sr.F Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Charlotte. No one else has managed to frustrate me 4 whole days. I hate her and I hope don´t have a 2º battle with her in the rest of the game history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon116 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Julia could be considered if it's only the first playthrough. Commander in Hardcore because that damn MA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etesian Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I really don't think any particular fight from Reborn should be That One Boss. Because really, it all depends on what your team is and how you use it. Some could be stuck on Noel for a month while others beat him on their first try. I'll agree with Tomas in that it could be put in the YMMV page, but otherwise, no. And ICSW is right, the Garchomp and Arceus fights should be Hopeless Boss Fights instead, since the game lets you progress without losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Elliot Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 @everyone saying Garchomp and Arceus: those actually are closer to Hopeless Boss Fight than That One Boss. Correction: they ARE Hopeless Boss Fights. Explicitly designed to be that. The sole reason why people around this forum defeat them anyway is that, well, most of us would rather have their livers removed with a rusted spoon than concede defeat on ANYTHING, as most debates in the Trainer Journal section clearly demonstrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvilicious Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Given that one of Reborn's main gimmicks is the hard gym leaders, there probably really isn't just 'one' boss. As others have already stated, it might be almost any leader depending on the team you build. If there is a mention of that trope, it should say something to that effect, so it doesn't turn into a list of half of the league instead. (On another note (reminded to me by my name), some of the dialogue about Adrienn's gender would certainly qualify as Anvilicious...) Edited December 20, 2015 by Anvilicious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InnocentSerenity Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 (edited) Julia could be considered if it's only the first playthrough. Commander in Hardcore because that damn MA. I'd consider Julia more of a Wake-Up Call Boss, since she's the first Leader, and, if it's your first time playing Reborn, you'll definitely have a hard time. Early Bird Boss also works, for similar reasons, but also because you probably won't have a Ghost or Ground type to help you deal with her. Edited December 20, 2015 by InnocentBoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Elliot Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I stand by my earlier point: "That One Boss" is an entirely subjective matter, specially for a game like Reborn. Some people might find a boss to be rediculously hard, while others might have no problems against it. Therefore, if Reborn's page on Tv Tropes has a YMMV sub-page, put this trope in there. If it does not have a YMMV sub-page, then you are better off not listing this trope at all in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclonegale Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 My vote goes to Aya. She's got a decently bulky team. And punishes you hard for overly relying on a ground type, and encourages you to go out and train a psychic type. That's what she did to me anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupo Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Kiki... Took me nearly a week to beat her until I was forced to train an underleveled Espurr and Snubull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt996 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Not Shelly's Gym Puzzle? I hear everyone found that to be the True Final Boss. Remember that this is my fully subjective opinion. Under the assumption you do not exceed level caps (for evolution, or just haxxing win) Corey would be a good qualifier... however, the real question here is whether or not most people will go through the trouble of raising a team to deal with a gym they (assuming first play-through) know nothing about, including the type. For that matter, unless the person in question is big on sidequests, they'll probably get the ever-so-fun corrosion field. But hey, they could have one of those lovely Ground- or Psychic- types with them. Or a starter that evolves into one, for that matter. Hope I didn't miss any... The bottom four come from eggs, or are caught immediately before Corey, and are lower leveled unless coddled Espurr Numel Spoink Munna Starmie (unless no water stone) Drillbur Drowzee Phanpy Poison and Steel are also good, and there are confessedly a lot of decent Poison types available. Steel, however... Hope I didn't miss any... Forretress (level 31) Wormadam-T Pawniard Klink (From Obsidia side of Railnet?) I'd say it's reasonable to assume the "average" person will have one Poison-type and one Ground- or Psychic-type with them at this time. Since Reborn pushed for diversity, let's assume a full team of six Pokemon. Level-wise, I would expect everything to fall below the 26-27 mark, and, if they are using a mystery egg Pokemon, it be about 20-22 (again, assuming minimal grinding). With such a poorly-defined, imaginary team, and no clue what to expect (aka the entry hazard), nor a reliable counter to Corey's Crobat team (due to not having the location guide on-hand), it is reasonable to consider the number of attempts for Corey to be an average minimum of 2-3, with the maximum being... Rest in peace, any Fairy mono people who opted out of C-Mist. If I had to give any "main" reason for Corey being difficult (personally or otherwise), it'd be the combination of 2x Poison SR damage, Venoshock always being 130BP, and Crobat outspeeding everything you have with... reliable enough STAB attacks. Actual spoilers in the spoiler (but still another reason) Doubly warned now. Spoilers within. Corey dies after the fight, invalidating the win. Any struggle you had meant nothing. Just to say it again: ^All of that^ is my opinion. Feel free to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon116 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 What about Blake as That One Boss? I don't think I've heard of anyone sweeping him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods Ice Cream Sand Witch Posted December 21, 2015 Global Mods Share Posted December 21, 2015 What about Blake as That One Boss? I don't think I've heard of anyone sweeping him. I did. He was pretty easy with Moxie Scrafty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spark95 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 To be completely honest, during my first play through, I came in with a mindset of dominating every gym battle within at most 3 tries due to how easy the canon games were. Thus, from that perspective, the hardest was the first gym. After the first playthrough, players tend to prepare pretty adequately, with a full party asap, and then adding rotational members after the first gym decreasing the difficulty for a lot of the bosses. I'm almost done with my 2nd playthrough now, and I almost miss the frustration of having to re-challenge a gym for the 9th time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Chespin Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 Wow, this thread got a lot of attention! Thanks to everyone who posted; in case you were wondering, there is a YMMV Page, and I added a section on Wake-Up Call Bosses (including some from Hardcore). You can find it here. I was actually about to go to bed, but I'll make sure to update it in the morning! Once again, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Oh my god *remembers all the stuff of the first playthrough* I played Reborn exactly 6 times, every run has its pros and cons, but there's one Boss Fight that I ALWAYS get stuck no matter what. VS. ZEL & Taka This fight takes so much time and is freaking annoying. The tank Umbreon, The Psychic Espeon, The bulky Glaceon, The nothing by now Lileep, The little demon CHATOT, and our lovely PULSE Tangrowth [: The fact that you're alone just makes it better, and *cough* NO DECENT GRINDING UNTIL COREY *cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon116 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I've never had an issue with the ZEL/Taka doubles fight. Then again I usually have a Hariyama at that time so Umbreon and Glaceon are gonners with ease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zane0144 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Blake is surely annoying. Just cause of all his freeze hax. It doesn't even have to do with skill or how good his team is. Just freezing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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