Lucifer Morningstar

Excellent thanx. Are you sure this is right? I'm at Pokestar Studios, but neither Ana or Dylan are here and I've talked to almost everyone and nothing triggers.

Question: Does the Ana quest resume since V13 was released? If so how?

This didn't occur to me either and neither did it to steal Ren's Pokemon in Hiyoshi City in V12. I assume that had to have been fixed in V13 and so will this in V14 so enjoy it now.

That dialogue does seem to support that Nim's revival is when Clear replaced her but I concur I have never trusted Crescent either. She's manipulative, sadistic and possessive.

Damn, I'm gonna have to watch that scene in a V12 run and see if I can spot them. EDIT: BAM. Found 'em in V12: Source:

I've been contemplating that perhaps the android we've been interacting with in the sidequest is the same Ana who was in the MC class and the grave is just sentimental. I believe Pokemon going extinct is something also mentioned in the Garufan city in the 3rd Layer. Wasn't this the reason the LAIR droid line was created? Perhaps Ana is also a Garufan creation and was involved in the last reset. As her memory is digital data it could have easily been erased by a human rather than the reset.

As of V13 it's revealed that Clear was impersonating Crescent for the duration of at least half the plotline. The last time we see the real Crescent is around the same time we last see Saki and Co. on board her contraption on Valor Mt. when she shoves Sharon off the side in an "assisted suicide" of sorts. If I recall correctly, Crescent had volunteered to teleport Saki and Co. to Souta or to find Aleita and the Eldest which is what lands them on route 7 where Clear attacks them and allegedly kills Crescent. My question is, when exactly does Clear first replace her? I found the scene between Crescent and the MC's group in Tesla's Villa curious after seeing it again for the first time in at least a year on Youtube. One line in particular: "I want to see you all smile again because smiling is a luxury you won't always have." caught my attention. This seemed out of character for Crescent because she comes off as possessive of the MC but in light of recent revelations she could have been referring to the souls of her classmates compiled within the MC. If this was the real Crescent, when did she join Saki and Co.? Was it the real Crescent who reverted Zetta back to a Solosis on the summit of Valor Mt.? Who met the MC in the dead world? In V13 she claims to have designed it to include the shadows of the other protagonists and who would know how to do that better than one of the people who control the Lignosomnia? If Crescent teleported Saki and Co. after Sharon's suicide attempt why did she not join them until later? Hell, could we have just met the real Crescent for the first time when we freed her from the pod? Think about it, her death is recorded as a blast of psychic energy which Clear's Beheeyem fits but do you know what else fits? A Deoxys. The Pokemon Nastasia used to cause the S.S Oceana wreck and we don't see what happens to Crescent after she teleports the MC out of the banquet hall. I'll admit that this is probably a little reaching as is the whole dead world thing, but just a thought.

We did? Is this a V13 exclusive or did we in V12 as well and when?

Just tried this and nothing happened.

I never tried to arrive at an answer, just offer my theories. I'll admit that the most likely scenario given what we find out in chapter 15 is that the prologue and the events we were involved in with the Theolias were at least two different resets.

I've never denied that I'm just saying that's not what I believe. Also consider this, we affected the events whilst we were participating in the Theolias' lives in Kugearen. I believe it was Gardevior who set up the Shiftery attack on Anathea intending her murder, she seemed rather uncomfortable and eager to get us out of the manor when she found out we'd saved Anathea and Venom worked up the police at the manor door. Perhaps we changed what occurred in the prologue.

We didn't actually see Anathea's death in the prologue. The Tangrowth attack from the Kugearen arc happened outside the front door and the prologue is Maria's perspective so she would not have seen it. We see Anathea on the ritual table but not if she was alive when she was placed there. Even if we have seen parallel Marias it still doesn't guarantee that Marionette is a 3rd person. Marionette could still be 2 different names for the same person in all universes. Indraid clearly told her in the prologue, "Your name is no longer Maria".

The girl in the prologue as well as the girl in the Kugearan arc are established as Maria, it's this same girl whom Indraid and Indraid alone addresses as Marionette. I believe he even says something in the prologue like "Your name is no longer Maria". The Maria in the prologue is frightened when the maids repeatedly call out to 'Marionette' and tries to shout in protest, "My name is Maria" and the Marionette in the Crysolia Manor arc remembers that her name is Maria after giving us our third badge. When we first enter the manor in this arc Indraid also establishes that he recognizes us, clearly this is from our venture to Kugearen for the first Gardevoir event. Think about it, a girl who ends up getting sacrificed is addressed as what a string puppet is called. Sounds like depersonalizing to me.

Not in the case of Melia and Maria, it's thus far just been the two of them. Maria was the first as she was manifested from the Archetype and when she died Melia was born. Some people believe Marionette is a separate person from Maria and is an incarnation that comes between Maria and Melia, I do not agree with that.

I'm still not being clear enough, I'm sorry. Just because she has different abilities does not mean she has to be a different being. We know the Archetype was implanted inside her which means it doesn't define the type of being she is. She could be an Interceptor who happened to have been implanted with the Archetype. She could have if we entertain the theory that she is a reincarnation of Maria which does seem a bit likely. I'm not meaning to argue that Crescent is 100% not host #1 but that she doesn't seem to fit the bill as much as Melia as she's done nothing really (even more so now that we know the person who weaponized Nim was Clear) and that there are other possibilities. Granted we don't even know what Host #1 is supposed to do so that's very open to a lot of possibilities as well.

I'm sure most of us were quite certain the dead could not be brought back until we saw Crescent bring back the MC. Just saying, it seems just about anything is possible in this universe. The powers themselves yes but the other three carrying them, Erin, Alice and Allen are literal manifestations of the Archetype, Melia is not. Basically what I meant was, she's not supposed to have the Archetype's powers. The other three are.

I concur that Archetype and Interceptor are two vastly different abilities but Melia is NOT a legit member of the Archetype hence the Genesis Syndrome and other than her ability to create shinies her abilities thus far have presented as quite similar to the MCs. As for Host #1's recorded death, again, it could have been a forgery by either Crescent or Clear. We don't have evidence that Crescent was ever actually dead all we know is that Clear claimed to have killed her but she was found alive in one of Clear and Kieran's pods vs. the witnesses there were to the MC being shoved into the lava for example.

I never used the term 'Interceptor' for Crescent or for Melia in regard to my theory, just the game's term "co-host". I don't believe Crescent is an interceptor either which is one reason I believe she might be a poser when in fact the co-host is Melia. In addition to what I've pointed out before regarding her implied connection to the MC, we know Melia does have power over fate from the destroyed AU, she both participated in creating it and decided it's outcome whether that was to save or further damn it. I've heard that Variya even appears behind Melia when she "awakens" her Archetype powers (I'm pretty sure this didn't occur in V12 when I played that arc but it could very well be a change made in V13) whereas when she appointed the MC she essentially ignored Crescent despite the host MC's concern for her and I concur that as much of a manipulator as Crescent is the one thing we have not seen her manipulate is fate. Thus far she has presented as something of a necromancer as her abilities to the extent we've seen have been exclusively in restoring and reforming the dead. Although I believe she claimed wrongful credit for the MC's resurrection on Valor Mountain despite that as of V13 we now know that she is genuinely capable whereas previously I was not convinced. Come to think of it she hasn't done anything really to aid the MC rather she's just been attempting unsuccessfully to manipulate them away from the protagonist gang. If anything in the time it has taken me to compose this post I've just become more convinced that she's not the MC's actual co-host or at least most definitely NOT an interceptor.

Oh that's right. I wanna know the real version as well. On the subject of how many lives the MC has left, could we replenish our lost lives if we bathed in the Spring of Rejuvenation?

I'm beginning to wonder if Crescent manipulated Zeight to claim she's the Co-host or something when in fact the Co-Host is Melia. As of chapter 15 Melia has been revealed to have similar attributes to that of the MC such as the 'god mode' or whatever we're calling it and she seems to have a connection to Zeight. I think she could be hosting Variya as the MC is hosting Adrest. I go into more detail in other threads. We know that Crescent, the real Crescent is possessive of the MC and is against the MC's relationships with the other characters with the exception of Nancy so she would NOT be pleased with someone else being the co-host.

It's not working. Whenever I try to upload it I get a 'Page Unresponsive' error. Sorry.

That's a different quest, this person is referring to the Ana quest which begins as a help center quest called 'Missing Children'. I believe the Golden Wings badge is required to continue that quest via visiting Jenny in the hospital but is well obtained by chapter 15. Perhaps it's bugged in V13?

Exploits probably. I.e I still have my V12 because Revival Herbs were removed from the herb shop. If this doesn't work I can try to give you mine but my Google Drive is pretty full because I have a bunch of staff stuff the Kingdom Hearts fansite I do staff work for. I don't expect to be able to fit it therefore I'd need the name of another file hosting site.

Sweet, thanx! I'll check it out! I once used debug to get myself a Toxic Orb but I ended up deleting it without using it because I felt guilty hehe.

I see, I forgot about that but his soul's location doesn't make much of a difference, he still proves that a mechanical form can not be turned to stone and all of the MCs bodies were. Fair enough but they were still part of the storm technically.