ZEL

To be honest that one boggled me when you defeat the first PULSEgrowth and Eve's just like "recover the model and escape at once". I mean, those machines do look kind of big... Perhaps someone got bored and invented a shrink ray.

So I take it the wall is gonna gain some more height.

"You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day" This thing is the bane of my existence I swear [whispers] I'm terrible at responding but I'll try not to fail too hard ok I tend to think of myself as someone who isn't particularly notable among the big number of regulars here, so I'm legitimately surprised when people who I don't talk to on a daily basis have a distinct impression of me, let alone enough of an impression for it to be positive. I really appreciate the kind words <3 and the ice cream sandwich. delicious~ Just you wait, all of you. One day you're gonna regret putting my family into the games. You want me to win a couple more times? Really though, I consider myself very lucky to have met so many amazing people here. Reborn is very different from what I am (or was) used to, and in the beginning I was doubtful if I would really fit in here. I was admittedly very intimidated by the fact that there's a certain wariness towards newer members, but despite that, I've managed to find a place to feel comfortable in. Don't get your hopes up, you won't get rid of me all that fast c: /shot

At the very least, it might be a nice thing to have a plce where we can swap them. Maybe something like "if you give me a plate I'll give you a random different plate for it", with the plate changing daily, idk. Because even though you can reset in front of the mining stone until you got what you want, I still vividly remember needing to mine over a hundred times before I finally found a single Mind Plate. Something that could potentially make it less of a hassle to get a plate you need would be neat.

I almost didn't make this, but a totally Innocent Boy told me I should. Anyway, because I'm highly creative and would never pick up ideas from other people around here, I'm making an Anniversary Thread. ...How do you mean everyone and their grandmothers have done this before? Oops. I, ahem, most definitely did not get this idea from your grandma. Tell her I'm sorry. But now that I'm here and typing this, might as well continue. I mean I spent what, three valuable minutes of my comparatively short existence on this so far? So here's the thing: It's my very first anniversary here on Reborn today. (Shhh it's 1:35am in my timezone.) When I started playing the game last March, I didn't expect to like it. I didn't expect that I'd genuinely enjoy it, or that I'd even finish it at all. Subsequently, I also didn't expect to join this community, let alone stick around. Y'see, I'm the kind of person who finds it really difficult to get comfortable in new environments. I came here because I couldn't stand that I had nobody to discuss the game with, and I didn't think that I'd ever want to do anything else here. Before I came here, I hadn't joined an online community in almost seven years. So why would this place be any different than all the other failed attempts? To be honest, I don't know. I don't know what made me try harder with Reborn than with all those other sites. Maybe I just met the right people at the right time. But oh well - here we are. You've been stuck with me for a year now. So it's time for me to say a thing or two. I've already said the first, I guess. Moving on to the other. Another thing that I'm totally not stealing from everyone else. 100% original, never seen before. ...Ok yeah you're right. It's the part where I get sappy and tell people that I love them. I'm not putting this in any particular order. And if you're not on there, you're very free to assume that you're a rad person, too. 'Cause I say so. I have no idea what I'm supposed to expect from this thread to be completely honest. I kind of just really wanted an excuse to praise my friends, so please forgive me if there's not much substance to all this besides that. I don't feel 100% comfortable making a thread because I don't think I deserve attention for having been around for a year, but I guess since so many people do this kind of thing, you can probably forgive me for adding one more to the pile. ...Hey - at least it's not an AMA. Well I mean... y'know... [cheap joke about my name here] That'll be all.

Oh I don't think he hates Florinia, not by any measure. I hope that's not how my post reads. He's certainly resentful because of her apparent neglect, but the fact that he blows up in her face about how she didn't show enough care for him is proof enough that he wanted to be close to her. He didn't say "I have no sister any more" lightly as a throwaway comment, he really did seem devastated at how she acted towards him at the Fiore Mansion.

I like Fern. He's interesting. I don't know where that one post I made about it is - I think it's sooomewhere in the E15 discussion, but I'm too lazy to find it. Edit: Shit, that's a wall of text. I really, really don't think that Fern is going to keep up his behavior for the whole rest of the story. Now, I do agree that it's unlikely he'll suddenly turn around and be a friendly little sweetheart, but the trope "Good Is Not Nice" exists for a reason. I think Fern is perfectly capable of coming to his senses about what side he should be on, and still be a jerk. Not everyone who fights for the same cause as you will always be your friend, or even a likable person to you. With Fern, I always feel like there are two main issues for him. First, he always, always gets overshadowed somehow. First by Florinia, who he is "only" the reserve leader for, and who appears to have been hugely popular during her trainer school days (more popular than Fern?), and later by the player, because no matter what Fern does, not only do you easily catch up with him, but you're also the one who gets sung all the praise. Of course, we know that people don't like praising Fern because of his bragging and the way he insults the people he battles against, but everything about his attitude just reeks of someone who is very desperate for attention, to the point where he doesn't even care any more if it's good or bad attention. At the end of E15, even Solaris compliments the player on their battling skills and shuts Fern down. I mean, wow, that must suck, especially when Florinia scolds him in front of everyone. Second, whatever it is that happened to Rini, it affected him more than he's been able to handle. There's a moment in E15 that I find especially memorable: I'm not sure what I want to think happened during the Onyx School days of the leaders, but whatever happened, we know that Florinia felt deeply hurt, and decided that "shutting down" (probably more like, forcefully suppressing) her emotions would protect her from hurt in the future. She's playing the role of the emotionless "Flobot" to keep herself out of more harm's way, but everyone else around her is left to deal with the change by themselves. Julia tries really hard to be the same as ever to her, she doesn't want to give up on her friend and I believe she refuses to accept Rini's current "situation" as the endgame. Fern is effectively telling us in E15 that he feels like he has lost his sister. We don't know how their relationship was prior to the incident, but with Rini's decision to suppress her emotions, she made no exception for Fern, and treated him just as indifferently as everyone else. We see it as early as during out first strike against Meteor - she "allows" Fern to be as dangerously reckless as possible (during the convo where she tells the player to stay safe). Of course he's already not being very nice to her at that time, but I can only imagine what it must have been like for Fern to watch his sister change so completely, never resolving the incident that hurt her, and refusing to deal with the consequences. Rini refuses to consider the consequences, instead insisting that it's irrational for her friends to still be emotional about everything. I don't know if Fern is so desperate for attention and recognition because of the situation with Florinia, or if he's always been someone who likes attention and everything's just been made worse by what happened back then. But to me it feels like everything Fern does, from being outrageously arrogant and condescending, to joining Team Meteor, is a giant cry for attention. He claims he joined Meteor so he can have his "rightful place at the top", and I feel like he is simply trying to create a situation in which people are forced to give him the recognition he can't seem to get from them otherwise. Is he an immature dick for it? Yes. But I very much think Fern can come to his senses if only the problem between Rini and Tania would be resolved properly after all those years. Give that poor boy his sister back, maybe that'll be a start to helping him be less of a jerk.

I refer to ZEL as they/them when talking about them collectively, since it just seems polite. Which does remind me, you know a little scene that I really liked? Everyone else (besides themselves) always uses the ZEL name, it's nice to see Sigmund actually differentiating (and likely being able to tell them apart.)

Your arguments make sense, so I feel like our differing opinions are pretty much based on us interpreting Eve (or Lumi, for that matter) as a character differently. I personally don't see her as being someone who would ever truly support Meteor any further than she needs to for ensuring survival. I don't think that if you gave her a choice, she would side with Lin or Meteor at all. She just doesn't have that choice and now tries to retain the bit of control that she has. But that's just my personal thoughts, nothing that can be explicitly proven through the game, so I can't use it as an argument. It's more... gut feelings I guess. So your arguments make perfect sense in your interpretation of her, is all I can say. I do hope we get to see them again soon. It's been so long :c I miss them.

Well uh, I wasn't... actually taking that seriously, y'see

[20:14:49] @Barkus Greatus: 3 cannon shots can be heard int ehs desitnce help, he's broken

But Viri, if you were to harness Magnezone's powers to separate them again would that not mean that said Magnezone, too, will revert back to being a Magneton? Would you sacrifice the mighty lord like that? Also, whose body will Solinirius have? That's very important so I can imagine this. I'd like to think it'll be Lin's. That Hydreigon would have a whole new meaning~

I'm not sure to what extent I want to see Zero as truly being dedicated to Meteor's ideals (no matter whether we're talking Lin's or Solaris' here). We simply don't know enough about him to know what motivated him to join in the first place. I think as far as his position in Meteor goes, he's really more of a case of a grunt being caught in the crossfire (his rank prior to ZEL has never been mentioned, but I don't think he was an Admin all along), so not on the same level as, say, Sirius, in terms of devotion. (Personally, I like to imagine that he's more of an Aster case, someone who joined for the personal gain, someone who comes from a background of having nothing.) (I'll admit I really like Zero. I like the outspoken, stubborn attitude he has, and I'd be lying if it didn't amuse me every time when he gets upset over things not going the way he'd like them to. So maybe I'm biased because I really want him to side with Eve and Lumi.) I think that as far as ZEL's dynamic goes right now, the ultimate decision-maker is Eve. Lumi looks up to her for that, and as stubborn as Zero can be, it's been shown multiple times that he fails at challenging her authority. Right now it would seem to me that they're in a situation where Eve would respect Lumi's opinions if she gave any, but at the same time, Lumi trusts Eve to know what's best for them. It is obvious that Lumi is very uncomfortable with what ZEL do, and I'm sure Eve knows that. But what Lumi would need to do to cause any change in their behavior would be to firmly put her foot down for once. I'd love to see her to that, but I'm not sure how likely that is. I am not so sure that we're going to see ZEL in the next episode. From what it seems, it will take place in Reborn City, and they have no business being there. Meteor isn't currently maintaining any PULSEs there. I'm guessing ZEL are more busy with the ones creating the barricade around Labradorra. While the teaser for E16 said that "the heart of reborn will fall", implying a possible attack, ZEL aren't what I'd call an attack force. I don't think Meteor needs a PULSE for it, so unless they do, there's no business for ZEL to be there.

Hmm... But do you think that Lumi - the person who said that she would rather die than be a burden to her own sister, who constantly apologizes for everything ZEL do, who can't stand seeing the PULSE mons suffering, who comes across as an all-around sweet and gentle person who would never willingly harm anyone - would agree to have the vast majority of humanity eradicated and the whole world recreated, for nothing more than her own comfort? I don't believe that someone who would rather sacrifice herself than to cause her own sister inconvenience, would think that her own happiness is worth more than that of all of humanity. I would sooner see Lumi accept the fate of staying part of ZEL, than to decide that she wants her body back at the cost of so many lives. I do believe that Eve will do what she must to keep them alive, even if it means going along with Lin's plans, and I believe that Eve considers Lumi worth more than anything else in the world (including said world). Because if not, there'd be nothing stopping her from ending their collective lives for the sake of humanity. But she respects Lumi, and by extension, I think she would respect her opinions. Now, I have to admit there's something that makes me believe they would not necessarily stay unhappy with being ZEL, but considering it has to do with their original concept as RP characters, it may have no bearing at all on what Ame envisions them to be like in the game's universe. So as much as I'd like to, I can't use that argument here, even if it definitely influences my interpretation of them :c EDIT: I tend to agree with you on the whole Eve possibly being willing to go along with the "new world" thing for the sake of getting their bodies back. I remember writing a huge wall of text about it some time ago. But the ultimate question is - would it really be worth it? Lin is very clearly portrayed as power-hungry and controlling. Surely someone in ZEL's position would be well aware of that, and by extension of the fact that a new world with Lin in it is not going to be any more peaceful and happy than the current one. I do think that it's possible for Eve not to see this (she's intelligent, but not wise) now, but if we're talking about an Eve that's aware of how dangerous Lin would be even in that new world, then I cannot see her choosing that. EDIT2: Sorry for rambling so much, omg. I just get really excited about this kind of discussion, aaaa.

Hmm, it's interesting to think about what they'd do if they absolutely had to choose one of them (as it's quite clear that Eve and Lumi are decidedly not on Meteor's side at all). From how I interpret Eve, her loyalties lie with nobody but ZEL themselves. She'd try to ensure their survival above all else. As far as ideals go, she would not agree with either Lin or Solaris. Now, I think it's clear that the radicalization of Meteor is Lin's work, and that no matter how questionable Solaris' motives may be, he presents the smaller danger. We know that Solaris and Taka have a clear goal in mind, even though we don't really know the details yet: Cleanse the city so that Reborn can be restored to whatever they think it should be like. After that, Meteor would have lived its purpose. The whole new world nonsense is clearly Lin's idea, from what Sirius implied. So the whole world-destroying scheme is hers. But it's hard for m to believe she doesn't have a supreme motive. Do you think if she succeeds and the world gets recreated, she'll just go "ah, everybody lives happily and in peace now, bye then"? 'Cause I don't think so. I'd wager Eve would much rather side with the weird guy who has a strange sense of duty to his distant ancestors, than with the power-hungry sadist that Lin is implied to be. Solaris needs helpers to reach his goal, and after that he'd have no need for them any more. Lin, through what Laura told us about her, likes having control over people, over their fears especially. Frankly, I don't see any of ZEL siding with her.

Somehow I feel like we're not going to see the death of anyone who didn't die during league times, with the exception of Lin. (And with the exception of characters who were never part of the league.) Not saying they couldn't, but I can't help but think they won't. As for Adrienn vs Lin, it is said that a strong trainer can come out victorious even with a type disadvantage, and I'd assume Lin is a far more powerful trainer than Adrienn. Her trainer text should be a good indicator of what type of character she is. Everything so far builds her up to be very powerful, so even if trainers like Adrienn have an advantage, that alone isn't enough to beat her. (I'd think everyone who has done a monotype can agree that types aren't everything.)

Man, I used to be really into Rise Against when I was younger. Kind of a funny feeling to listen to these songs now, as Black Market is the album I never bought. (Endgame was the last I actually listened to, welp.) What a throwback. I have never really thought about making a playlist based around the game, but there's some... odd songs that remind me of the game because I listened to them a lot during the time I first played it. Like this one. Vaguely remembering defeating the third PULSE Tangrowth and Corey with this in the background. Couldn't tell you what it's about tho, my Latvian knowledge consists of three words. Also, Celldweller's entire Wish Upon A Blackstar album, which is how my shiny Metagross ended up getting its name. I do think the overall sound of the album fits Reborn well, even if it's pure coincidence I associate the two.

...And in a surprising turn of events, Lin does not get defeated by the player or even Arceus itself, but Adrienn.

Oh lord I need this thread again for a moment. Sometimes people are denser than a goddamn brick wall. I knew jumping into that debate would test my patience, but the least people could do is step up their reading comprehension game and not put words into someone else's mouth. Nobody was saying the thing you are complaining about. Nobody. Not a single person. In fact, I actually made a post three hours before yours where I clarified that I was not trying to imply the thing. I spelled it out precisely so that people like you wouldn't jump to assumptions. I'd give you the benefit of doubt under other circumstances, but there's no way you could misunderstand my previous post so hard, unless you didn't even read it. Read it.

I do like the idea for a wiki when it comes to the lore of the game. I think I've said it before on a similar thread, but I can easily see the advantage of being able to look up stuff about characters and locations on a wiki. It can be really helpful to people who may have missed or forgotten about something story-related, and would like to brush up on their knowledge again. I personally am not sure if I'd want to contribute directly by writing any articles, but I'd be more than happy to look over articles and point out any issues I might find. It's no secret that I'm really into analyzing characters, and I believe I could be a help to whoever is looking to write about them. ...Or some of them anyway. I don't have a deep interest in every single character in the game, and have to admit that I'd struggle much more with describing, say, Adrienn or Luna, than any of my faves. tl;dr I can tell you a lot about some characters if you give me prompts, but I don't think I'm good at putting things into wiki article format.

But Oma is a German word for grandma :c I'm not that old!

I've been killed by so many of my Hunger Games lovers and friends, at this point it's really just tradition. ...At least Ice hasn't killed me yet? I think? I like Ice. Odama almost sounds like Oh drama, huehuehue

You can obtain Eevee after getting your 5th badge. It's not far into the game overall, considering the length of it, but it's definitely going to be a while for you still. And yes, it can be evolved into Glaceon. Getting Eevee is a bit tricky if you don't know how, but this thread is very helpful for questions like that http://www.pokemonreborn.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16407 It has a link to a video guide and everything~

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Welcome to the site! I remember the Eevee struggle from GSC in particular. Lil' buggers always wanted to evolve at the wrong time of the day. Patience, pls. Anyway, hmm, Gold actually IS my favourite of the canon games, so all I can really suggest is finishing it c: Or picking up HeartGold, because that's neat, too! (I did like having my pokémon following me around~)