Tomas Elliot

Because Crunch+Stone Edge are to hit hard with STABs, while Pursuit is there specifically to make sure that Talonflame is not a threat to Scolipede like you said! You see, Talonflame loses 50% health to Stealth Rock and has no way, absolutely no way, of hurting Ttar. This means that switching Ttar into Talonflame will force switches, and Pursuit will finish the job. I actually end up using Pursuit more than any other move once Rocks are up: basically, this is the good old CB Set that has traded EQ for SR, and extra power for eaxtra bulk and the ability to change moves... Bisharp actually brought me to position #7 on PO beta server's UU ladder, back in the days... But nostalgia aside, I would like to point out one thing: this team includes a lot of bulky and/or purely defensive Pokemon, with Wish support, entry hazards and phazing capabilities. So yeah, talking about counters that can stop a sweep from either Bisharp or Scolipede is not an argument, in these days of team preview: once I see the opponents have, in their team, a Pokemon capable of stopping my sweeper in its tracks, all I'll need to do will be to wear it down with the rest of the team, before the sweeper can come out to pick the bones... These are actually the basics of setting up a sweep! This being said, I would like to take a moment to thank all those who shared their opinions: I see the poll is getting decent attention, Scolipede appears to have a small lead, and there have been some valid points made in some of the posts in this topic. So yeah, thank you guys once again, I hope this discussion can proceed further!

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The set I have tested for Bisharp is 252 HP 252 Atk 4 Def Adamant, Leftovers, Substitute, Swords Dance, Sucker Punch and Iron Head! It is very unique in playstyle, this is why I like it... As I said in the OP, Bisharp is a Sucker Punch abuser and a prediction-heavy attacker, while Scolipede is more of a straightforward physical sweeper! The set for the latter would be 252 Atk 252 Spd 4 HP Adamant, Life Orb, Swords Dance, Megahorn, Poison Jab (or Rock Slide) and Earthquake!

Except that +1 Iron Head (and Bisharp will ALWAYS be at +1 if Mawile switches into it, because Defiant reverses Intimidate) will do around 70% to Mawile, which therefore will have to be war of Sucker Punch, specially if hazards are up, and thus, given that a Mega has no recovery, with the right prediction it will be easy for Bisharp to keep Mawile at bay! I never said that Bisharp does Mawile's job (it doesn't, btw) nor that it does it better than Mawile (which would be even more stupid to say)... I simply said that Bisharp can keep Mawile at bay! EDIT: two more people have voted, one for Bisharp and one for Scolipede... And neither posted here to justify their opinion! Seriously people, I am more interested in reading your opinion, rather than merely counting your votes... Do post to explain your choice like Secundum did!

So, I have a problem here. The two guys you see in the picture are to of my favorite Pokemon overall. And they both appeal a lot to me as physical sweepers this generation, for a number of reasons. Bisharp is a Pokemon that takes a lot of prediction, and that alone makes it stand up in what is most likely going to be a format of either mindless attacking or full stalling. Its standard set of Substitute/Swords Dance/Sucker Punch/Iron Head has great coverage this generation given that Steel doesn't resist Dark anymore, and this, if you don't misplay, allows you to keep at bay common threats like Mega Gengar, Mega Mawile, Talonflame, Magnezone (particularly the choiced variants) and many others. All it takes to work is the right prediction, to set up a substitute at the right time and then bring the pain with the deadly Sucker Punch, supported by a very reliable secondary STAB like Iron Head. Its Defiant ability is going to be fantastic this generation, given that Intimidate is seeing a lot more use (Gyarados now prefers it in order to mega evolve, Mega Manectric has it, and Mawile carries it when it switches in before mega evolving...), and above all given that there is this new entry hazard named Sticky Web, which people use to reduce the Speed stat of opposing Pokemon on the switch: since Bisharp doesn't need speed to be effective, if my foes use Sticky Web on me it will basically turn in a free Swords Dance on the switch. On the other hand, Scolipede is more of a pure sweeper: its base Attack was increased to 100, and thanks to its great base Speed and its brand new Speed Boost ability it can afford being Adamant. If you can switch into something that cannot touch you (Florges comes to mind) and you manage to use Swords Dance on the opponent's switch, then your opponent will have hug troubles dealing with the big insect because, between the mighty STAB moves it gets (Poison Jab that threatens them Fairies and above all the mighty Megahorn) and the fantastic coverage it has access to (Earthquake on top of many other options), a very few Pokemon can take on Scolipede one on one after Speed Boost has started to kick in, specially if its main threats have been previously worn down by the rest of the team. I've seen people around trying to use Scolipede as a baton passer, and I sincerely find that to be a huge waste: with the right support Scolipede can sweep on its own! Please note that this is planned to be an in-game team, and that I alreade have in my possession the perfect "ingredients" to breed myself both a Sucker Punch Defiant Bisharp and a Speed Boost Scolipede, so yeah, it is not a matter of availability, it is a mere matter of picking one. Here is a quick RMT of the team in which the physical sweeper of choice is supposed to fit in: I have tested both in this team and, while going with either means of course that I need to adjust my playstyle accordingly, I have noticed that no change in the line-up of the team is required. The following Pokemon can easily build up a strategy that will eventually allow a final sweep by Bisharp and Scolipede alike. Please notice that the malfunctioning sprites are Greninja and Goodra, in this order. @ Life Orb Ability: Protean EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Atk Hasty Nature - U-turn - Dark Pulse - Ice Beam - Spikes @ Tyrannitarite Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef Adamant Nature - Pursuit - Stone Edge - Stealth Rock - Crunch @ Assault Vest Ability: Sap Sipper EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef Modest Nature - Sludge Wave - Fire Blast - Draco Meteor - Thunderbolt @ Leftovers Ability: Water Absorb EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SAtk Bold Nature - Scald - Roar - Protect - Wish @ Black Sludge Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Timid Nature - Disable - Sludge Bomb - Shadow Ball - Substitute I am not including an in-depth description of the reasons that brought me to go with these sets because this post is already getting insanely long, however I will provide further explaination if required. However, just to be respectful of the rules of this sub-forum, I will include an importable, even if, since this is supposed to be an in-game team, it wouldn't be that necessary either. And this being said, enough of me talking: let's hear the opinions of our community!

Favorite: Mega Mawile and Mega Blastoise, because these two mega formes turn two cool but subpar Pokemon into the very best at what they do (bulky offense for Mawile, Rapid Spin for Blastoise). Least favorite: Mega Blaziken, because the fact that it is broken misleads people into talking about wether or not Mega Evolution is a broken feature, taking away attention from the real problem (that is, Blaziken is broken in itself, mega or not mega).

Fun fact: writing "Wynaut" doesn't trigger the Wynaut sprite, but writing why not does...

We had a similar idea with Acquiescence... Now I am at my hometown, but when I get back in Florence, on monday, we should definitely talk about this... I would like to hear Acquiescence's opinion on this topic!

Tail Glow. Don't forget Manaphy gets Tail Glow. Instant +3 to already good special attack, all it needs is a bit of rain to support it, and it can be deadly... Now, currently Politoed is the only rain inducer, but what if a new Mega comes out with Drizzle, as an answer to Charizard and Drought? I say we wait and put A LOT of thinking into that. We already do illogic stuff like discussing about indiscriminate ban for all Megas while Blaziken (the regular one, broken in itself mega or not mega) is still freely running around (incidentally, Showdown already banned it...), the last thing we need is another potentially deadly sweeper in town...

Well, if you want to talk about Pokemon included or not included in people's teams in-game... Who the hell has ever even considered including Plusle/Minun in RSE? At least Pachirisu in DPPt has Pickup... Pikachu's clones are known to be horrid!

Well, Numel is by no way a forgotten Pokemon, given that it evolves into Camerupt which (kinda) has its uses (or at least, it is well known, for its unique typing if nothing else...). And same goes for Remoraid, because well, it evolves into Octillery which was indeed a forgotten Pokemon before Gen 5, but then Moody came... And Dunsparce is a very famous and important Pokemon: it is the weakest Pokemon around, and that is a record in its own right. Much like in the bicycle races, where they award a special black jersey to the individual who arrives last at the goal... Being the worst means being known and having fans, albeit for the wrong reason! On the other hand, I bet many people forgot Watchog even existed immediately after clearing B2/W2, and that the only reason they didn't forget about it even before they completed the game is that Team Plasma grunts use it, so that players are constantly reminded of its pointless existance... Simply put, Watchog has no reason for existing! And I guess it is more or less the same for Barboach, even if Whiscash is (kinda) a thing...

Actually, there is already another topic that deals with this, however that other topic is in the wrong section, so I dunno... #minimodding

This guy here would like to get a shot at the title of most under-appreciated Pokemon ever...

*looks for Summer in the previous 12 pages* According to my friend who is testing my safari for me, I have Barbaracle.

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