Jericho 114 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 In this weeks challenge every pokemon is allowed to use any one move of its type(s). For Example, Metagross can use any one Psychic and any one Steel type move. But, they are allowed ONLY one of each of that type of move. 1. Doom Desire (Any Steel Type Move) 2. Calm Mind (Any Psychic Type Move) 3. Legally Learned Move (Not Steel or Psychic Type) 4. Legally Learned Move (Not Steel or Psychic Type) A pokemon is permitted to use any ONE move of it's type, per type. If a pokemon is a single type, it can use any one of that one type of move and 3 legally learned moves that are NOT it's type. Challenges will be made in the STABmons tier, found under Other Metas The matchups will be as follows: (5-3) Kingdom of Avalon ↔ Phantom Vulcan (2-6) ✓ (3 - 4) (OU) Secundum vs DJWongTong ✓ Jericho vs Sonata ✓ ✓ Ame_Rosa vs YinYang ✓ DavidPWNS vs Avatar of Grima ✓ Mr. LGFD vs Imperial Nhadala vs mar_mar ✓ Arkhidon vs ExLink32 ✓ Replacements: Kingdom of Avalon: Dhanush, Secundum, Spineblade -- Phantom Vulcan: ExLink, 2tousent, Novaknight (3-5) The Ravenholts ↔ Amazon Nation (6-2) ✓ (1 - 6) (UU) IntSys vs Sparky ✓ Odybld vs Pyrrhon ✓ Cobalt996 vs 420 HYCROX ✓ Chubb vs Bazaro ✓ YoshiOfRedemption vs Bluewolf ✓ Jacobliterator vs Swampellow ✓ ✓ AuthorReborn vs Honchy Replacements: The Ravenholts: Kaito, Red_Chaos, Trevore -- Amazon Nation: Quinn, Zumi, AndSoThereIsSt3ffo ✓ (5-3) Nation of Atlantis ↔ Gaia Nation (3-5) (5 - 2) (RU) ✓ FraRPetO vs Dark Desire ✓ Xiri vs Roswell ✓ Sonikku vs Monochrome_Complex ✓ Cyanna Cyril vs DW ✓ 99 Losses vs Shadow Tack RudeStyle vs Sheep ✓ Sinikuro vs TarTar ✓ Replacements: Nation of Atlantis: personthing, Ace_Trainer_Vince, Inno -- Gaia Nation: Pbood2, Vex, Marcello DISCLAIMERS: *Thanks Zumi for awesome logo! Have Questions? Please leave them in green below and we'll answer them to the best of our abilities. Link to post Share on other sites
AuthorReborn 8 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Does Flying Press count as a Fighting move (as it is first a Fighting-type move, so Ghosts are still immune) in this instance? Link to post Share on other sites
Imperial 19 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Are move that would break smogon clauses still banned or are they allowed if they are the same type of the user ? Like evasion moves Link to post Share on other sites
Lugruf 50 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Megas that get a type changed like Altaria can run any move of the original type or of the new type? Link to post Share on other sites
InnocentSerenity 32 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 What format do we choose to do battles? I ask this, since the previous challenges had been within the possibility of the normal meta games, while this challenge requires use of normally illegal moves, and would require a format other than OU, UU, etc. Also, are any moves, such as the obvious answer of Geomancy, banned? If so, what are they? Link to post Share on other sites
Sheep 27 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 What format do we choose to do battles? I ask this, since the previous challenges had been within the possibility of the normal meta games, while this challenge requires use of normally illegal moves, and would require a format other than OU, UU, etc. I would assume you play in the STABmons tier. Link to post Share on other sites
IntSys 106 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Strange thing is, the teambuilder validation for STABmons disallows Dark Void from being used, yet lets Spore be used.Personally I would play on Custom Game / Balanced Hackmons. Link to post Share on other sites
Cobalt996 10 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Why is Amazon's font so smol? No serious question, sadly, since tentative banned moves has already been raised. Perhaps Mega mechanics (type-change kind), then? Nope, mentioned. EDIT: What is the ruling on unreleased moves? (Light of Ruin, Thousand Arrows/Waves) Link to post Share on other sites
pyrromanis 70 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 What about Judgement and Techno Blast? Are only normal types available to use them and can we change their typing with a Plate or Drive? Link to post Share on other sites
Jericho 114 Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Does Flying Press count as a Fighting move (as it is first a Fighting-type move, so Ghosts are still immune) in this instance? Flying Press is listed as fighting and will count as fighting. We decided Hidden Power this week can be the type that you make it. Are move that would break smogon clauses still banned or are they allowed if they are the same type of the user ? Like evasion moves We'll be playing under standard STABmons tier. http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/stabmons.3547279/ Relevant bans from the tier itself for this week: (Note, these moves that are not permitted can still be used by Pokemon who learn them naturally and they are still allowed in such cases.) [items] Aerodactylite, King's Rock, [Moves] Belly Drum, Chatter, Dark Void, Geomancy, Lovely Kiss, Shell Smash, Shift Gear, Sketch What format do we choose to do battles? I ask this, since the previous challenges had been within the possibility of the normal meta games, while this challenge requires use of normally illegal moves, and would require a format other than OU, UU, etc. Also, are any moves, such as the obvious answer of Geomancy, banned? If so, what are they? See answer(s) above. What about Judgement and Techno Blast? Are only normal types available to use them and can we change their typing with a Plate or Drive? These will be limited to being normal moves as they're essentially much stronger versions of Hidden Power. What is the ruling on unreleased moves? (Light of Ruin, Thousand Arrows/Waves) Not permitted. Oh as for the Mega Pokemon, they can use STAB moves of their original typings. Link to post Share on other sites
Joker 64 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 I know its been said that a Pokemon can use any one STAB move with its types prior to mega evolving, but is the opposite true as well? Can a Pokemon use any one STAB move from a type it gains from mega evolving? Link to post Share on other sites
pyrromanis 70 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Since a pokemon can use only 1 STAB move (or 2 if it's dual) regardless if that is a status or attacking move, why don't we unban the set up moves? I mean, if someone wants to give Geomancy to his Slurpuff that means he can't use Moonblast. So I don't see the reason to keep them ban since you are giving up on an attacking STAB. Just a though, not that if the moves stay banned is a bad thing... Link to post Share on other sites
Swampellow 116 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Since a pokemon can use only 1 STAB move (or 2 if it's dual) regardless if that is a status or attacking move, why don't we unban the set up moves? I mean, if someone wants to give Geomancy to his Slurpuff that means he can't use Moonblast. So I don't see the reason to keep them ban since you are giving up on an attacking STAB. Just a though, not that if the moves stay banned is a bad thing... The moves are banned via the STABmons tier, so even if the moves were unbanned for the challenge they would not be able to be used. Link to post Share on other sites
pyrromanis 70 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 The moves are banned via the STABmons tier, so even if the moves were unbanned for the challenge they would not be able to be used.I see! I misread Jeri's post and though those were ADDED to the already existing rules of the tier, Link to post Share on other sites
Sheep 27 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Relevant bans from the tier itself for this week: (Note, these moves that are not permitted can still be used by Pokemon who learn them naturally and they are still allowed in such cases.) Not permitted. RIP my entire team of shell smash/thousand arrows users. I knew it was too good to be true. Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow Tack 2 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Why is gaia nerfed every challenge? Link to post Share on other sites
Tartar 103 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Both Geomancy AND Shell smash are banned? It's confirmed, Jericho hates fun. Link to post Share on other sites
pyrromanis 70 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 As a Gaian myself I don't like the nerf, but I have to say that this time is not in Jeri's hand! These are the rules of the tier we are playing... Link to post Share on other sites
Personthing 64 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Both Geomancy AND Shell smash are banned? It's confirmed, Jericho hates fun. This functions on STABmons' rules. And come on, Power Herb + Geomancy on all fairies would just be a turn 1 win button lol. Link to post Share on other sites
Guzam 40 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I see a dark void, shift gear and chatter ban, not to mention Gaia isn't the only nation that gets access to ez geomancy and win strats. Please, at least acknowledge that everyone gets nerfed and not just yourself >> Link to post Share on other sites
pyrromanis 70 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 02 This functions on STABmons' rules. And come on, Power Herb + Geomancy on all fairies would just be a turn 1 win button lol. Not that much if you consider that they lose an attacking STAB and the fairies in RU and under are not that fast or bulky to abuse it at full!But ofc dual fairies in higher tiers, like Whimsi, are a thing... Also, I don't like to complain, but the Steam Eruption spam looks more broken than Geomancy or Shell Smash. But maybe that's just me... Link to post Share on other sites
Sheep 27 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Also, I don't like to complain, but the Steam Eruption spam looks more broken than Geomancy or Shell Smash. But maybe that's just me... No way in hell. Shell smash Meloetta with a life orb and stored power? That thing hits the same power as boomburst after one shell smash and then proceeds to 6-0 their entire team. Geomancy's not such a big deal 'cause there aren't many fairy types that can use it and still have a STAB attack, but shell smash is utterly broken. Link to post Share on other sites
Odybld 70 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Who needs bans when GF does the job itself and makes Hyperspace Fury fail if not used by Hoopa-U Link to post Share on other sites
pyrromanis 70 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 02 No way in hell. Shell smash Meloetta with a life orb and stored power? That thing hits the same power as boomburst after one shell smash and then proceeds to 6-0 their entire team. Geomancy's not such a big deal 'cause there aren't many fairy types that can use it and still have a STAB attack, but shell smash is utterly broken. True! Maybe I shouldn't consider Shell Smash is the same as Geomancy...Who needs bans when GF does the job itself and makes Hyperspace Fury fail if not used by Hoopa-U They really did a great job making it a 'signature move'!!! #not Link to post Share on other sites
Cobalt996 10 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Why is gaia nerfed every challenge? We lose Dark Void, but our opponents keeps Spore. Got questions about why you got nerfed, ask Eevee General on Smogon, or read the tier thread Jeri linked. To quote the tier resources: "Council: None, I [Eevee General] run it with community input." EDIT: Consider Prankster Power Herb Geomancy Whimsicott, for a thought on why Geo is banned. Link to post Share on other sites
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