Genesis Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) So apart from Fossil pokemon and Legendaries, what other pokemon would be considered ancient? Edit, went through the topic and added all the pokemon to one post: (reasons are found in the topic) Rhyhorn/ Rhydon/Rhyperior Golett/ Golurk Onix/ Steelix All dragons basically Lunatone and Solrock Gyardos Talonflame Magnemite/ Mangeton/ Magnezone Pawniard/ Bisharp Weaville Abomasnow Aggron Doublade/ Honedge Clefaireis/ Wigglytuff/ Audino (moon pokemon) Torkoal baltoy/ Claydol Sigilyph Lucario Tentacool/ Tentacruel Jellycent/ Fillish Solosis line Carvanha Sharpedo Bronzor/ Bronzong Larvitar/ Pupitar// Tyranitar Shellos/ gastrodon Carbink Stary/ Starmie Shellder/ Cloyster All pokemon who learn ancient power: Tangela, Togepi, Yanma, Dunsparce, Slugma, Piloswine, Corsola, Baltoy, Keckleon, Relicanth, Binacle, Carbink Edited December 8, 2015 by Genesis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Relicanth...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Relicanth...? While not a fossil, it is funny enough classified as a fossil pokemon. I am trying to go through pokedex entries that identify ancient pokemon and so far have only come up with the following: Elgyem Lunatone and Solrock Staryu Baltoy Sigilyph Yamask Swinub So all in all. Not many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mde2001 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Shellder is pretty old. I'm pretty sure some dex entries mentioned that the Omanytes/ Omastars ate shellder's when they were not fossils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytch_doctr Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Natu and Xatu Yanma and Tangela. there's a reason they need ancient power to evolve Unown Nincada? They seem pretty old Golett and Golurk That's about all I can think of at the moment Edited November 30, 2015 by wytch_doctr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star-kin Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Reshiram and Zekrom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiri Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Yanma and Tangela. there's a reason they need ancient power to evolve Don't forget Mamoswine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytch_doctr Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Don't forget Mamoswine! He already mentioned swinub, so I left that out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 Shellder is pretty old. I'm pretty sure some dex entries mentioned that the Omanytes/ Omastars ate shellder's when they were not fossils. I just read about shellder now you are right Natu and Xatu Yanma and Tangela. there's a reason they need ancient power to evolve Unown Nincada? They seem pretty old Golett and Golurk That's about all I can think of at the moment I don't quite agree on Natu/ Xatu since their dex entries mention them being with people and that they can see the past, not that they are a part of the past. Why do you reckon they are sper old? Also only thing I could find on Nincada was that they can live underground for 10 years, nothing quite about being pre historic or ancient Agree on all the others though since their dex entries back it up Reshiram and Zekrom Lol, but these are legendaries. basically all legendaries are ancient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMoonIceCream Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Arceus This is interesting I never thought about this before, but it would be hard to know considering not ALL pokedex entries talk about time you can only assume or guess for a lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 I would like to add some research I found. Apparently Larvitar is ancient as they were formed from the oldest mountains which fuels their hunger to eat mountains and their name (Tyranitar) is supposed to be a descendant of the T Rex or Tyrantrum There's also Carbink who's dex entry says its from millions of years ago Gastrodon who says its from a long time ago and it shell evolved but strands are still in DNA Sigilyph, Baltoy and Yamask are considered ancient pokemon as well Staryu, Lunatone, Solrock and Elgyem are considered extra terrestrial and therefore age is indeterminate, though space travel takes millions of years Also the single type dragons are supposed to be ancient as well - dratini, bagon, axew, druddigon, goomy since dragon was always regarded as the oldest type in pokemon from season 1. Finally Arcanine - Considered a legendary (false) according to Chinese in the pokedex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytch_doctr Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Also only thing I could find on Nincada was that they can live underground for 10 years, nothing quite about being pre historic or ancient Just because of the fact that it seems so versatile, and that when it evolves, Shedinja seems to be able to live forever in the right circumstances with Wonder Guard. Most bugs seem to have been around for ages, just like in real life. Just a thought though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Combat Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Unown? I don't consider them to be legandaries, though they are often seen accompanying them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMoonIceCream Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Finally Arcanine - Considered a legendary (false) according to Chinese in the pokedex Arcanine isn't A legendary it's just "legandary" however the age of those legends are undetermined as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattrexargon Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 well from my logic the oldest sets of pokemon should be either from the deep sea origins (deep sea= dont evolve= old), the guys that are from the mountain areas that in a shape of a sea creature ( must have been related) or the "ancient" form of those guys evolving via ancient power ( they return to the form they used to be at ancient times), and the last is those guys that dont evolve but knows ancient power ( they always like that since ancient times) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickCrash Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If we assume that all pokemon able to learn AncientPower have lived since ancient times, the list without legendaries and fossils is as follows: Tangela Togepi Yanma Dunsparce Slugma Piloswine Corsola Baltoy Kecleon Relicanth Binacle Carbink And I believe that covers most of them. In cases of extra terrestrials, we have no idea how old they are. They could be from close planets that are no longer inhabited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampellow Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Well saying a pokemon is "old" isn't really enough, oldest is one that would probably depend on what you believe (Arceus/Mew debacle). Then saying something like Golett or Yamask could be "old" per say, but still not as old as pokemon that did not live side by side with humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods Ice Cream Sand Witch Posted December 1, 2015 Global Mods Share Posted December 1, 2015 Pawniard and Bisharp have been around since before the war in Kalos. Volcarona has been around before the Relic Castle. I also think Bronzor, Honedge, and most dragons have been around a long time, and maybe Aron too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Some really interesting theories and yes, I should be more clear on old. Ideally I would term old as pre history/ Ancient. So everything from Arceus/ Mew to primative/ ancient man I am actually intrigued by the ancient power theory since a few of the pokemon listed I can't even imagine being around then, but then again, It is hard to imagine a pokemon world if you aren't the creator.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okami Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'm not sure why but there's something about Clafairies and their line that seems ancient, I always thought their strong connection to the moon meant they were created around the same time as it which would make them very old. Another thing would be metronome, in Generation One they were the only Pokemon able to learn it by level up besides Mew while Move Tutors and TMs could teach a few others. That connection to Mew always made me wonder too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'm not sure why but there's something about Clafairies and their line that seems ancient, I always thought their strong connection to the moon meant they were created around the same time as it which would make them very old. Another thing would be metronome, in Generation One they were the only Pokemon able to learn it by level up besides Mew while Move Tutors and TMs could teach a few others. That connection to Mew always made me wonder too. This may be worth looking into. Perhaps they should be classified under extra terrestrial pokemon. Since according to the original red games they arrived on a space ship. *Reading up intensifies* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zimvader42 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I've read somewhere that Torkoals are pretty ancient dudes, but then again, I think this age only takes up back to the early kingdoms of the pokemon world, not actual pre-human pokemon world. Pretty old tortoises tho. All alien pokemon are ancient as fuck as far as records go. Solrock, Lunatone, the Clefairy line, Beheeyem, Deoxys, and maybe even Starmies, these things came from space, and space is big, and if light takes years to travel from one place to the other, these living things that fell to the pokemon world can be assumed to have had been out there for quite a long, long time. Clefairys are known to ride UFOs in the anime, same for beheeyem, which might indicate they can travel fast, but still, things like solrock, which is literally just a living rock floating around, how long from the moment it gets in orbit to the moment it falls to earth? Fossil pokemon are also pretty damn ancient. If the periods of the pokemon world can be assumd the same as ours, the most ancient fossil pokemon to date have to be anorith/armaldo, followed by (or in pair with) kabuto/kabutops. Lileep/Cradily and Omanyte/Omastar come after, followed by Aerodactyl, Rampardos, Bastiodon, Aurorus and Tyrantrum. The "youngest" fossil pokemon, in theory, is Archeops. I don't quite know the time period the turtle Carracosta is based on originated at, but it should be previous or around the same period at the dinosaur ones, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Elliot Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Claydol and Sigilyph are both legacies of ancient civilizations, so they count too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rot8er_ConeX Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Would Lucario be considered one? That story told in the Tower of Mastery about how it was the first Pokemon to Mega Evolve [in the normal manner] seems to me to have been a long time ago, as if Mega Evolution is something that modern Kalosians just took for granted as something that happened and therefore no one thought to look into WHY it worked, until Prof. Sycamore came along, like gravity before Newton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenome Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 There is also the possibilty of tentacool/tentacreul species. No pokedex entries actually say so, but given they are based on jellyfish which are fairly simple organisms, its possible they've easily been around millions of years. Beyond them, all ghost types are a strong possibility, as we see pokemon like gengar being imprisoned by pokeopolis, and just the idea that they are the dead means its possible they've existed since the first death. Also ninetails, not technically ancient but as possible immortals they have the possibility of being so in extreme cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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