Swimming95

Well, we need to start somewhere and scyther, sneasal, murkrow and misdreavos are all very LC uber pokemon. The weather pokemon are banned from LC due to a discussion with ame and how they are in higher tiers in the normal metagame. Gligar is also a pokemon that is in a higher tier and is one that we are going to start with being banned. This is not saying that there is no chance of them being suspected. As I said, this is the starting point for the tier and is probably closest to the final form. One good comparison is that when the 5th generation came out... its not like all of the uber pokemon were suddently suspected. There is for the most part a partly well-defined LC tier and we looked at it to decide how we were going to start off. If kiozo or cloud have anything to add about this, please do. I apologize for being bad at explanations

Just so everyone knows an update... when we initially test, these will be the bans and the initial suspects. There will be threads opened for all of you to discuss the current suspects. This tiering was a combination of taking into account Reborn's outlook to have open tiering and a combination of preliminary testing done by Kiozo and I and agreed upon by Kiozo, me and Cloud Banned Pokemon: Scyther, Murkrow, Sneasal, Misdreavous, Vulpix, Hippopotas, Snover, Gligar (most of those are on higher tiers anyways) Banned Moves: Sonicboom and Dragon Rage Banned Item: Berry Juice Probably initial Suspects: Meditite, Yanma, Carvanha (could be changed at implementation but we will update)

Congrats you guys you deserve it and great job on the commands

Ok, first of all, we need a definition of spirit here and not view it as an abstract thing. "excellent disposition or attitude in terms of vigor, courage, firmness of intent, etc.; mettle" One of the major things you forget about our server is that on average we have around a 40-60 peak and PO has a constant 900+ peak. There are a lot of things that you can and can't compare between the two. Does PO have more spirit? yes... I bet in total they would because they have so many people. What we have is more special. Our users individually however definitely care much more about the community here than almost any other server. This explains a lot of them defending this place so greatly. We are a much more spirited community than we are battlers and it shows pretty well. As far as tournaments go... we actually have a pretty good variety of tiers, at least no worse than any other server. What you need to remember is that most people play OU and with our tiers, it is the most inviting. ALL servers have a much greater amount of OU tournaments when compared to other tiers for this reason. When people ask for other tiers, it is granted very quickly. Can this be varied more? of course but there is no way that other servers (at least others I have been to) vary it any more than we do. Also, I definitely agree with what zen said about the small decrease in gg's after tournies. It is much better for us to address the ones yelling at our tiers so that they can better themselves than to congratulate the ones who should already be feeling good imho. As far as the business with kiozo went, I am sorry but you definitely blew it out of proportion and are taking the wrong response to it. As far as the metagame goes, moody is definitely one of those things that frustrate users and hence it being banned elsewhere and discussed about being banned here. It is very looked down upon by a lot of battlers. This is not to say that it isn't viable but it certainly isn't something that a lot of people would taught. Kiozo did say the wrong thing as you were right about moody being allowed according to your story, but it also seemed as though you escalated it. You seemed to push the tiers in his face instead of calmly saying your point. Other people jumped to his aide because of this common mentality NOT because he was a mod. Finally, standing up to a mod is something that you should very rarely feel proud about, no matter how justified as it suggests the need for something much darker. EDIT: sorry, didn't mean that mods/auth shouldn't be challenged as they should when they are out of line, just that it probably isn't something to be happy about imho... sorry

Granted basically everything I have to say has been said already but I would still like to get in my two cents. First and foremost is that we aren't first and foremost a battling community. It isn't battles that a lot of the users come to reborn for and that is definitely evident in the lack of laddering. The excitement comes from talking to the other users and interacting with them. In terms of time-based tournaments, there are a lot of pros and cons associated with any type of way to do the brackets. With time based, whoever wants to join the tournament can and numbers are figured out second. It can allow for quicker tournaments and in some ways more flexible ones with the lower tiers (ie you don't need to know the exact amount of interest). With prebracketed tournies, they go stale very quickly, the sign-up process can be very drawn out and in the lower tiers, nothing really happens as you are stuck waiting for 1 more person to join mostly. We do have the opportunity to do both here and it will be fun to experiment with them. To address Ame and Batl... records is already coded so its just a matter of implementing it and if you would like a /tourrankings command that works similarly but just tournies, I can definitely work on that. Though batl, you can also do /records USER to look at someone else's In terms of missing a few tiers, that I completely agree with and also hope that we can change that soon and it will definitely bring a lot more to our already awesome metagame.

I definitely want to play

Welcome duster

I am definitely not surprised as this is what goes on at Brown as well (its actually really fun battling against some people here) and as such, I might disagree about what those top 3 schools are hark

Oh, sorry for not saying it sooner but WELCOME TO THE FORUMS

Hey kingsley

I am surprised that I haven't seen my set up yet... The set that I use is very uber worthy and that is the lead choice scarf. Shaymin-S @ Choice Scarf Trait: Serene Grace EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 Spd Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Leaf Storm - Earth Power - Air Slash - Hidden Power [Ice] This is my anti-lead set and does a very very good job in ubers taking out any and all competition. It is not meant to be in for long and truly packs a punch. In ubers, this skymin decidely OHKO's anything that is weak to grass and can very well flinch the ones who aren't so much. It might be weird to have a choice scarf set with no speed investments but considering that it will have 290 speed with only this 4 speed investment, scarfing it still allows it to outspeed a lot. I will grant that only 372 special attack isn't the absolute greatest but it still isn't anything to sneeze at. The HP investment is purely to give skymin the ability to survive some hits. This is not a set that would necessarily allow skymin to absolutely sweep but it can almost guarentee a ton of damage on the switch in. Plus, it is very easy to support this set and switch out to prevent skymin from dying or just air slash it to death à la togekiss style. I suppose that this set could be tweaked with to be instead with a different EV spread and possibly choice specs instead of scarf. The reason why skymin is considered uber is that its max speed is 388 and its max sp. attack is 372. These are the only pokemon that naturally outspeed it: deoxys-S Ninjask (not really a counter how most run it) Deoxys Attack and normal (definitely not OU) Electrode (does anyone run?) Aerodactyl Crobat Jolteon (has a much lower BST) Mewtwo. Of the non-ubers, only one that is used is really jolteon. Granted this is not a basis for banning but it certainly doesn't help. It has a pretty high special attack. I looked at physical versions of this pokemon (ie similar attack and speed bases) and found only the following: Garchomp: has 10 more attack but 25 less speed than skymin Terrakion: has 9 more attack, 19 less speed Weavile: same attack, 2 less speed Salamence: 15 more attack, 27 less speed I don't like saying that priority moves are a counter simply because of how predictable they are and if we are running a skymin set with substitute, that sort of gets rid of that threat. Also, smogon always will list lesser tier pokemon for their sets. To me, a pokemon is counterable if and only if it does not involve people changing their teams to have to deal with that specific pokemon or does not require a certain type of team to beat (ie rain or sand team because not everyone runs them) Seed flare is a very dangerous move for skymin to weild. It has a 68% chance of hitting and dropping the opponents sp. defense by 2 stages. This makes it very dangerous to switch in to unless the incoming pokemon is scarfed or prioritied or boosted (unless skymin runs scarf itself). A good counter must be able to both switch in and force the other pokemon to switch out. Air slash has a 57% chance of hitting and flinching allowing it to pretty easily flinch the opponents and if seed flare hits its mark, it only needs 1 or 2 flinches to take down most pokemon. The basis for considering Ubers (or any tier change) is more or less the following: Does this pokemon contain an overly high special attack or attack (usually in combo with speed or defense to back it up)? Does this pokemon contain an overly high defense or special defense? Does this pokemon have a good amount of viable counters? Does this pokemon guarentee a kill when it is sent out? Does this pokemon drastically change the metagame in any way?

This sounds awesome now who to choose... Chandelure Reunculis Conkeldur Seismitoad Sawsbuck Ferrothorn

Can I be best turtle? :3

Congrats to both of you, you deserve it

I more meant when other users do it, it was less of an auth thing but still meant it to apply to them. sorry for the confusion

I agree, but I also have a problem when auth ONLY say "rule _" to someone who has just joined. Its not effective and is pretty counter-productive. It is much more helpful to take the time to say, please don't do _ or you are breaking rule _ which is _... An informed mass is better than an angry one

But... but... now I can't only use my squirtle to destroy everything like he was meant to do

Blows bubbles on the rock... its super effective

Its a processor for .exe files. So while it isn't necessarily a fix, it is probably worth noting so people aren't turned off.

Thank you so much I has so much to talk to you about now Also, please change the system requirements. It is very runnable on a mac. All you need to do is download Wine (which is a very very useful app regardless of if you intend to play)

it would be an probably as its pronounced "arr emm tee" Also... I do like the team but there seems to be a few things that stick out at me. The first is your lack of any special defense. I would instead suggest that you change up dragonite's and toxicroak's EVs a small bit to make them more defensive by potentially pulling from speed. Also, while it is great to get +2 attack quickly with toxicroak, you might be better off with bulk-up. As it stands, once ferrothorn is gone, you don't have a lot in the ways of defense besides some natural bulk. And while it isn't a problem in the rain, dragonite doesn't have a single 100% accurate attacking move so that could become annoying in the long run. But its a nice team

I didn't see this yesterday but as you can tell batl, I am not content until I say happy birthday in ALL THE PLACES