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  1. Question: 

    What if we could join Lin? I honestly think Lin herself has done nothing wrong. Or maybe I'm just an edgy teenager...

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

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      let's just wait for Darky to see this and start regretting allying with Lin... even before doing so. 

      Or he (?) might ally himself with Lin just to make us shut up for good. 
       

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      Typical genius work right here. She knows what buttons should be pushed, and what shouldn't. 

      I’d hesitate to call it “genius”. Lin’s take is not that exceptional imo. Any “talking villain” with sufficient intelligence could have figured this one out. 
       

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      Karma functioning? Or maybe mass vendetta? If something that went down, and the mechanics of the story were more to real life... I must say this is logical. For the 99.99% of the time. 

      This would be when I operate under real-world logic. And real-world mobs cannot look weak. Such a humiliation would trigger horrific retaliation. “One in ten thousand” looks like reasonable survival odds – and it would take some serious paranoia and luck. 

       

       

      What you describe about “how things work” is not what I meant. It’s not about the relationship of the story to the game, nor about depth or backstory or new names. It goes deeper than that. It’s not easy to explain, but what I had in mind was more like the difference between a DnD campaign story, a Discworld novel, Game of Thrones, and the Lord of the Rings. All of them exist in a fantasy-medieval setting – but you couldn’t mistake any of them for another, even without any of the plot details. Because the “baselines” for these universes, the expectations about what counts as normal, what doesn’t, about which actions elicit which reactions – they’re all wildly different. 
       

      For instance, say a city is under attack:

      in GoT, the inhabitants who couldn’t flee cower in their homes and they know it’s going to be hell for them. In DnD, the heroes are the main spotlight of the battle, everything is on them, and they find a clever way to win nearly by themselves. In LotR, the heroes fight as muchas they can and inspire the troops, but they can’t win alone: they need every man, every ally that they can get defending the city. But if it’s Pratchett’s Ankh-Morpokh, the inhabitants open their arms to the would-be invaders who wake up two months later and realize that they have become another quaint minority.  
       

      All of these are valid, but they need different sorts of logic operating their world, and different answers to foundational questions such as “is there a Rule of Cool? A Rule of Funny? Does Will beat Skill? What is the Sliding Scale of Idealism vs Cynicism? Of Silliness vs Seriousness? (tvtropes usual warnings)” and many others. That’s what I was trying to convey (although I’m not sure if I even made it clearer). 

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  2. Question: 

    What if we could join Lin? I honestly think Lin herself has done nothing wrong. Or maybe I'm just an edgy teenager...

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

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      What did I deserve to those conversations?!

      There are two writers discussing. How on earth can you believe they will manage to be short and to the point?

       

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      Well, that can depend on situation - being kind to allies, being merciless to enemies. Not everything is black and white.

      "Do tax collectors not do the same?" 

      Sure, it's not all black or white. But I personally object to calling 'kind' a person willing to do this. While violence is acceptable in certain situations, I believe it has to be proportionate. (S)He Who Fights Monsters, etc. 

       

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      But Titania did threatened to kill Oscar if he was standing in her way, so he responded with the same way: which was much more effective. 

      Why...? You can try to guess.

      I'm not going to try. Instead, I'll probably just try to read what you wrote (I really should, soon). I suppose that falls under "fight fire with fire" (death threats are Bad, but perhaps they're the only way to have a meaningful conversation with Titania...).

      Still, Lin's death threat was about Amaria ("it's a nice relationship you have -- it'd be a shame if someone were to set you free...") in a particularly devious way. 

       

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      Bennett is like a real-life bugs - weak. Lacking a moral spine. He did follow some random Jehovah's Witness who was declaring himself to be his crush's father, and also promised him to be in the Reborn Elite Four, which is something only League Chairman and Grand Champion can decide, usually. 

      To be fair, Elias is a gifted speaker, but still - Bennett is so naive to follow stranger just because he promised something really big for loyalty...

      It's mostly true -- but not the whole story imo. But it's a bit complicated and I'd rather not go into that. 

       

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      With good, compelling storytelling, everything may make sense. You just need to extract the elements needed, combine them within specific area/event and here ya go. 

      I think you're forgetting an important part: what kind of universe you're building. Some basic idea about "how things work".  I'm trying to keep realistic outcomes while toning down anime elements -- a different choice from yours. Both are acceptable, but some things work in one setting and not in another. It's hard to give an example because I haven't read your story... but let's just say that in my setting, anyone seen feeding a Meteor grunt to a Gyarados would have very slim chances to live another day.  

       

      What I mean is -- the way I see the story, large-scale redemption of the Meteor rank-and-file through charisma isn't happening. But if it fits your setting and that's what you want to do -- by all means!

      (especially if it weakens Madame X in your Rejuv story^^)

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  3. Question: 

    What if we could join Lin? I honestly think Lin herself has done nothing wrong. Or maybe I'm just an edgy teenager...

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

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      Are that things in the hidden content actually "bad"? Like... "I" have done 3 out of 4 in Reborn events. 

      Well... 2.5/4, but still. 

       

      Uh... Yes? 1), 3), 4) are quite unambiguous (with added context of "she did it for giggles and barely won anything from it") to me, while 2) is despicable, typicaly villainous and extremely risky (the kind of risk you don't want to take when steel really makes you bleed). 

      Then again, you're calling "kind" a character who's willing to break a thief's spine to make a point, so we might not interpret some values in the same way.

       

      (however, I do not want to call 'evil' a person for a few evil actions -- sometimes one has to fight fire with fire). 

       

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       - I sense an sarcasm in that sentence. 

       Now what would anyone ever think that? 

       

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       - especially Sirius; being Lin's defacto right hand man, and Fern, who's pissed off because of being embarrassed by the protag all the time. Bennett is more allied with Elias, who is Solaris' right hand (but who knows what that good-for-nothing kid will do), and Blake is a bit too... nihilistic-but-in-his-own-weird-way to actually care. 

      I wonder why you didn't include Zero, who MAY be worried about his status as Admin/Commander after he got separated away from Evelynn and Luminia, and is one of the more cruel/sadistic ones. 

       

      I'm not that worried about Fern or Bennett (I don't think they can do it). Maybe a post-E18 Bennett could do that if he truly believed in its necessity, but I remain skeptical. I agree with Sirius being the main threat, but I think Blake would react too  (and he wouldn't mind killing) if his status in the new world was at stake. I forgot about Zero who would be dangerous too. 

       

       

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      It's better to beat thier leaders, take over thier minds and hearts with your own set of charisma, and reform them for better. 

      When you can pull it off, sure, go for it! That's not happening in any setting I can imagine for this game, but I assume that you have other plans.  

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  4. Question: 

    What if we could join Lin? I honestly think Lin herself has done nothing wrong. Or maybe I'm just an edgy teenager...

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

      If you have a sufficiently strong stomach, why not? After all, the point of morality is that you don’t have to do good. 
       

      So let’s indulge – say you join Lin. Great.  

      Congratulations! Your new ally: 

      Spoiler

      1) had her Pokemon eat a living person’s head off and tortured the rest of her squad for little gain. 
      2) threatened Titania with a fiery death and blackmailed her with Amaria’s life. Remember that Titania is a killer. 
      3) set Taka up to be killed. 
      4) threw innocent people in the Void. 

      This is what she’s done onscreen. Offscreen, depending on how you interpret the timeline, she may have been the impulse behind Team Meteor’s most heinous actions. 
       

      But, if you have the guts to be a part of all this, stay tuned for the best part! 
       

      You are now a criminal wanted as an accomplice to an unprecedented series of ghastly deeds, and known to be unbeatable except by the very strongest. 
       

      This puts a literal target on your back for people such as Titania, Saphira or Radomus (all of whom are completely healthy adults with mild reactions, seen to enjoy straight and balanced fights, instead of blasting you to smithereens, stabbing you dead, or mind-controlling you into surrendering or jumping off a cliff).
       

      Not to mention Sirius, Fern, Bennett or Blake who may worry about their place in the new world – some of which would certainly enjoy killing you. And Lin sure won’t protect you (it’s even a miracle no one has tried to chop her up in her sleep). How does 24/7 of watching your back feel? 
       

      That is all assuming that Lin doesn’t mock you for the feeble-minded attempt to stay in the victors’ good graces and doesn’t do away immediately with you.

       

      In the end? Lin still kills you when she doesn’t need you anymore. 

       

      Don’t join terrorists, kids! It’s not as fun as it looks! 

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  5. Okay... 

    How in the world have I won 3 days (2 consecutively) doing... the things I usually do? 

    I'm here for just an almost 3 months; with the first created content/post was made around 2 months ago... And somehow I have 3 days won?! 

     

    I mean... I'm not complaining, but after seeing that, and the veterans who are regulars, have - like - only 4 or 5 days won, I feel a little bad for them, honestly. 

    Maybe that's just dumb luck, maybe I'm better than I think, I cannot find the answer. 

  6. Sorry I'm bothering, but I want to ask the question. 

     

    While creating the update to Ame's "semi-canon" team, should I:

    • limit myself to Pokémon available only in Reborn (canon Pokémon from Gens 1-7)
    • use some Pokemon from Gen 8 (new ones and Galarian forms) and Aevian Forms from Rejuvenation (because Reborn and Aevium are, sorta, connected to each other) 

    Please, be honest with me - say what you think, not what I want to hear. 

  7. Hey hey everyone. I'm going to make another save file on Pokemon Insurgence (My favorite game!) But it will be a Nuzlocke run.

  8. Hello, Reborn folks! How have you been?
    It's been quite a while since I didn't share any good news on the forum, so I wanted to share some with you! After 130 hours of gameplay on Emerald Plus, it's finally done! I'm very cheerful of what I did yesterday which was getting every silver symbol in every battle frontier facility!

     

    Spoiler

    gPrcSXF.png

     

    I know it's not a big deal since I didn't get any gold symbol yet, but I'm already very satisfied of it, especially since I didn't use any true "meta" Pokemon in the game and exclusively built my team with Pokemon I love, which can make things harder at times. The only annoyance with Emerald Plus is, I felt a little limited with the Pokemon available in the three first generations, so I did a special mix with Dark Pokemon and other Pokemon I love who are not necessarily Dark-types. The final result was surprisingly effective and it made me love Sableye more than ever! I couldn't believe that I managed to sweep Anabel, Tucker and Brandon teams thanks to this little guy 😁

     

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    vulpix.gif

    Vulpix/Female/Level 62

    Nickname: Flannery

    Nature: Timid/Ability: Flash Fire

    Held Item: Charcoal

    Moveset: Flamethrower/Hidden Power Grass/Will-O-Wisp/Grudge

     

    sableye.gif

    Sableye/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Gemini

    Nature: Bold/Ability: Keen Eye

    Held Item: Brightpowder

    Moveset: Feint Attack/Psychic/Calm Mind/Recover

     

    murkrow.gif

    Murkrow/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Peppone

    Nature: Jolly/Ability: Insomnia

    Held Item: Sharp Beak

    Moveset: Drill Peck/Steel Wing/Shadow Ball/Fly

     

    sneasel.gif

    Sneasel/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Kharjo

    Nature: Jolly/Ability: Keen Eye

    Held Item: King's Rock

    Moveset: Shadow Ball/Brick Break/Return/Aerial Ace

     

    alakazam.gif

    Alakazam/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Hakim

    Nature: Timid/Ability: Synchronize

    Held Item: Lum Berry

    Moveset: Psychic/Shock Wave/Calm Mind/Recover

     

    gyarados.gif

    Gyarados/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Merlin

    Nature: Modest/Ability: Intimidate

    Held Item: Mystic Water

    Moveset: Surf/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Earthquake

     

    Honestly, it was a pretty amusing experience, as well as a little bit stressful during some specific fights, and I don't remember making it that far when I first played the end game content of Pokemon Emerald on my Gameboy Advance. If the devs didn't include so many hax strategies, it could have been even more enjoyable in my opinion. In any case, wish me luck for the gold rush 📀😉

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

      Ah, I see, thank you for clarifying. What’s this IV glitch in the Factory? I confess I know very little about the Battle Frontier apart from the rules and that I basically was never able to get a single symbol when I played Emerald eons ago… 

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  9. Hello, Reborn folks! How have you been?
    It's been quite a while since I didn't share any good news on the forum, so I wanted to share some with you! After 130 hours of gameplay on Emerald Plus, it's finally done! I'm very cheerful of what I did yesterday which was getting every silver symbol in every battle frontier facility!

     

    Spoiler

    gPrcSXF.png

     

    I know it's not a big deal since I didn't get any gold symbol yet, but I'm already very satisfied of it, especially since I didn't use any true "meta" Pokemon in the game and exclusively built my team with Pokemon I love, which can make things harder at times. The only annoyance with Emerald Plus is, I felt a little limited with the Pokemon available in the three first generations, so I did a special mix with Dark Pokemon and other Pokemon I love who are not necessarily Dark-types. The final result was surprisingly effective and it made me love Sableye more than ever! I couldn't believe that I managed to sweep Anabel, Tucker and Brandon teams thanks to this little guy 😁

     

    Spoiler

    vulpix.gif

    Vulpix/Female/Level 62

    Nickname: Flannery

    Nature: Timid/Ability: Flash Fire

    Held Item: Charcoal

    Moveset: Flamethrower/Hidden Power Grass/Will-O-Wisp/Grudge

     

    sableye.gif

    Sableye/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Gemini

    Nature: Bold/Ability: Keen Eye

    Held Item: Brightpowder

    Moveset: Feint Attack/Psychic/Calm Mind/Recover

     

    murkrow.gif

    Murkrow/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Peppone

    Nature: Jolly/Ability: Insomnia

    Held Item: Sharp Beak

    Moveset: Drill Peck/Steel Wing/Shadow Ball/Fly

     

    sneasel.gif

    Sneasel/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Kharjo

    Nature: Jolly/Ability: Keen Eye

    Held Item: King's Rock

    Moveset: Shadow Ball/Brick Break/Return/Aerial Ace

     

    alakazam.gif

    Alakazam/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Hakim

    Nature: Timid/Ability: Synchronize

    Held Item: Lum Berry

    Moveset: Psychic/Shock Wave/Calm Mind/Recover

     

    gyarados.gif

    Gyarados/Male/Level 62

    Nickname: Merlin

    Nature: Modest/Ability: Intimidate

    Held Item: Mystic Water

    Moveset: Surf/Thunderbolt/Ice Beam/Earthquake

     

    Honestly, it was a pretty amusing experience, as well as a little bit stressful during some specific fights, and I don't remember making it that far when I first played the end game content of Pokemon Emerald on my Gameboy Advance. If the devs didn't include so many hax strategies, it could have been even more enjoyable in my opinion. In any case, wish me luck for the gold rush 📀😉

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

      What is Emerald Plus? Is it an official port of Emerald?

      Anyway, great job and good luck for the gold!

      Why not evolve Vulpix though?  

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  10. I still don't get why Radomus did the whole butler thing with El. Like couldn't he have gotten the brooch from him without inviting him to the manor? El was already hypnotized in the aerie. In fact why didn't he take it then?

  11. Chapter 118 - Return to Sender

    Human trafficking? In Pokemon?

     

     

     

     

    Did the clickbait tag-line work?

  12. Took me 4 times to beat Solaris thanks to his Mega Garchomp and Excadrill, but I beat it with stall and Rough Skin + Rocky Helmet trick😁

     

    Now for a quick attack tactic for the last gym battle of E18, which I'll use the last strategy from last time😊

  13. wait so im confused. Is V13 just a gen 8 pokemon update or is it like, adding on to the game itself? Like is the elite 8 available now?

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

      V13 is a gen 8 update and a story update. As far as I know, there is at least one new Leader to challenge and a ton of story content. However, I'm pretty confident that you can't challenge the Elite 8 in this version.  

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  14. Get an intro for YT vids made? Check.

    Get an intro song for said intro for YT vids made? Check.

    Get a pic made that represents you? Check.

    Now? Get a banner made for your YT channel? Check.

    Don't believe me? Check it out.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCV-UDpBjlqwfzACzgRcW3Iw

  15. How to beat Serras froslass? 

     

    I can`t get past the second or third pokemon because its always froslass, and it always out speeds all of my pokemon. what pokemon are good against her 

  16. Huh, I feel emptiness, somehow. 😑

     

    I know V13 is released. And yet, why do I feel differently nothing?

    I don't feel any happiness, neither sadness.

    I'm just having regrets. My motivation is now 1%.

     

    If my motivation goes to 0%, then, at this point, there's a possibility that I'm going to cancel "What if" musics, definitively until I regain it to 100%. 😔

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

      I wish I knew what to say in these circumstances -- or maybe that I could gather the wisdom to stay silent instead of maybe writing the wrong thing. 

      Perhaps it's okay to feel demotivated, to not want to do anything. It's vacation time, isn't it? We just aren't wired to produce all year around. 

       

      I do struggle sometimes with a feeling of emptiness too, often mixed with some demotivation. Sometimes I can manage to get through it by getting back to work (or, more precisely in my case, study). But the solution that works best for me is to take a break. A true, guilt-free break. Do something that I usually don't. Ideally, in a different place. That might work for you too? 

       

      Here are some other... considerations? 

       

      You Are Not Alone.

      This is crucial. It has been an exceptionally difficult year for the entire world, and it did a number on everyone. On the other hand, social interaction helps with a lot of issues. 

      And I can't believe I am actually saying this, because I have a nearly inexistent social life -- but what little I had definitely was a relief in my hardest times. 

       

      It gets better. 

      This one's pretty basic too, but that doesn't mean it's not important. 

      It gets better. We know you can and will get through this.

       

       

      Of course, that doesn't seem to address the root cause of your emotions. I wish I could say something less clichéd, but I really don't trust my words. 

       

      I'm not sure, but I think there's an "emotional support" channel in the discord, and perhaps they might help?

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  17. how to beat aya?

     

    I can't beat her at all because I can't knock down the Toxapex

     

    my team: 

     

    Meowstic (m) lvl 41

    reflect

    fake out

    disarming voice

    psychic

     

    Swampert (m) lvl 43

    rock throw

    protect

    earthquake

    muddy water

     

    Noctowl (f) lvl 43

    moonblast

    air slash

    extrasensory

    hypnosis

     

    Durant (f) lvl 43

    crunch

    iron head

    dig

    x-scissor 

     

    Ampharos (f) lvl 41

    power gem

    strength

    discharge

    rock smash

     

    Zoroark (f) lvl 43

    night slash

    cut

    foul play

    extrasensory

     

    pokemon I switch to:

     

    infernape(43), cofagrigus(42), Mushana(40), Grumpig(40), bronzong(40), mr mime(43)

     

     

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

      Not sure, to be honest. Perhaps someone with Earth Power could help, or (field-boosted) Mud Bomb Gastrodon, you could just bring more Psychic types, who really are a pain. 

       

      As for Toxapex, I guess the question is more: "how much of a nuisance does it remain?". If you manage to get it to sleep, that should help you get some time to deal with some of Aya's mons and hopefully gain an advantage. 

       

      But again, I'm not very good at this game, and you'll certainly get far better ideas from other members if you create a thread for this (or use the Gym Leader help thread).  

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  18. how to beat aya?

     

    I can't beat her at all because I can't knock down the Toxapex

     

    my team: 

     

    Meowstic (m) lvl 41

    reflect

    fake out

    disarming voice

    psychic

     

    Swampert (m) lvl 43

    rock throw

    protect

    earthquake

    muddy water

     

    Noctowl (f) lvl 43

    moonblast

    air slash

    extrasensory

    hypnosis

     

    Durant (f) lvl 43

    crunch

    iron head

    dig

    x-scissor 

     

    Ampharos (f) lvl 41

    power gem

    strength

    discharge

    rock smash

     

    Zoroark (f) lvl 43

    night slash

    cut

    foul play

    extrasensory

     

    pokemon I switch to:

     

    infernape(43), cofagrigus(42), Mushana(40), Grumpig(40), bronzong(40), mr mime(43)

     

     

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

      People will be more likely to notice your question and give detailed answers if you write a thread about it in the relevant section (Team Showcase, I think, but I’m not sure). 

       

      First things first – get everyone to the level cap (45). It’s worth it. 
       

      Second – get some healing items. They’re not as broken in doubles as they are in singles but they’re still useful. 
       

      Third – what’s your precise problem? Is it that you can’t beat Toxapex even after beating everyone else? Or that it remains a thorn in your side preventing you from actually beating the rest of Aya’s mons? 
       

      I have a suggestion that can help you get a head start (although how you play after the first couple of turns is up to you, I guess). 

       

      You can lead Meowstic and Noctowl. Fake out the Nidoqueen and Hypnosis the Toxapex. Then Psychic+Extrasensory the Nidoqueen (Aya might switch, but she’ll switch out the useless Toxapex rather than the Nidoqueen). I would expect the next mon sent by Aya to be Drapion, and then Meowstic can use Reflect before escaping (for Durant, maybe, since it seems to fare well against most of Aya’s team) while Noctowl Air Slahes it down. If Aya doesn’t send Drapion (or sends Drapion and another non-sleeping mon), you could attack the other enemy with psychic attacks, while, if needed, putting an enemy to sleep. 
       

       

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  19. Hello Lady Taria here! And I have some updates finally - about my Reborn fanfiction and username change.

     

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    Username Change

    I don't know if anyone noticed but I changed my username twice. The first time I changed it, it was Starry Delight, and the second time was done recently. The reason why I kept changing my name was because I wanted to be original; Lady Taria was based on the Pokemon Altaria, as it was my favorite Pokemon at the time, and Starry Delight was based on my love of space. But it was taken by someone on tumblr already.

     

    I'm sorry if I confused anyone on here. 😓

     

    What Happened to My Fanfiction

    This is the reason I originally wanted to post this. But I got anxious and then never did. I didn't know now to word it because, at the time, it upset me. Well, to get to the point. My story got archived, and I didn't know what to do after that. Do I repost it? Or do I rewrite it?

     

    What I'm going to do with my fanfiction

    Well, I literally thought about this for months and now I finally know what I want to do; start over. I know this is going to take a long time to do. But I realized the original idea I had - for the story and the characters, didn't really work. Especially the MC; her personality and motives didn't fit the rest of the story. I also realized I didn't know the canon characters all that well. Thanks @Mindlack❤️

     

    (trust me, the last thing i want to do is miss characterize them.)

     

    Anyway, that's all I have for now. See you next time! ❤️

    1. Aphelli

      Aphelli

      Hi! It’s good to have some news! 
       

      (yes, I had spotted the first name change, but not the second one. Is it recent?)

       

      Although I’m a little bit unsure why you mentioned me. Did I discuss canon characters or mischaracterization? 
       

      Good luck on your writing (and I’ll try to read it if I can)! 

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  20. Some good news: My parents know someone, who can repair my laptop and the storage system (which got completely broken, so they have to take it out and put a new one in)😁

     

    Bad news: It will take soo looooong and I hate it😞

     

    I want to continue my Reborn game file💻🎮

  21. is there a way to finish Pokemon reborn without Taka dying? I like Taka alot (like Taka,Zel/zEl/zeL,Shade,Corey,Cain are my favourites so far) but is there a way to play a game without him dying? (i was reading on the battles and saw that he dies in a route)

  22. The day will come when all the tension and all the bad things will dissapear and only the good and the happy things will happen. And at this moment, I'll then realize how good life really is. I know it's just a matter of two months, but why does it feel so far away from me now?

     

    PS: I need hugs really bad 💔

  23. Will be absent for a long time, because I have a marathon of college exams to do. This will be extremely difficult📚📚📚

     

    Wish me luck🍀

  24. I HAVE BEATEN URANIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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