Refty365

Good game rebels, you all played magnificently!

Jace if you’re saying I’m mafia because I didn’t reveal that info, just read back further—I already shared it. I think we might as well eliminate Jace, because anybody in his position would take advantage of a missed night in prison, and start recruiting again (and would probably go for Evi tbh, so he has a trusted ally and can’t be imprisoned anymore; and that’s a bad scenario). And Evi, I’m honestly not in the mood to defend the reasonable statement that I made. I will say this however—if I am mafia, then what I’ve been saying/doing is really stupid. If you seriously suspect me so much, then let’s wait until the wookies aren’t something to worry about, and then have me lynched; my innocence will prove that my suspicions are genuine. Obviously, it’s your choice, but whichever one you choose to lynch (Jace or me) then choose quickly, because the votes need to be garnered to reach a conclusion and actually lynch somebody this turn. This night, I say: [Eliminate] Jace Stormkirk but, given that Alphagar was on one of the mafia lists mentioned earlier and was like, “Wow Refty’s idea about Evi being suspect is a good idea”, I say he’s either next to be looked into, or next to be lynched.

I understand that, but I’m not sure what else I can even say to that—sorry you feel that way, but that’s not my intent: I’m just trying to voice all my suspicions is all.

And Evi, I’m not directing “blame” at people, I’m directing “suspicion”—there’s an important difference. I’m honestly going to abstain from voting (at least for now) because I’m really not sure what I should do (lose two votes for town, or potentially have to contain a wookie outbreak).

Evi, I’m glad you’re open to what I’m saying. What I mean with my suspicion of those who agree with me on that is this: if an innocent person suggested that another (important) innocent person could possibly be mafia, then the mafia would be dumb to not even try to make that idea gain more traction—does that make more sense? I realize it sounds kind of counterintuitive to express doubt about those who agreed with an idea of mine (that idea being that you’re not infallible and are in some sense suspicious for appearing so innocent), but it’s something I realized while typing out my last comment (i.e. that at least one of the people who were like “oh yeah guys maybe Evi is mafia” is in fact mafia—if you’re innocent, which you probably are). I hope I’m communicating clearly enough, because I don’t see any problems with the logic of my thinking.

Sorry for the late response—I found that I did have the ability to disable Drakyle (which I didn’t do), so I think it’s reasonable to presume that he’s scout. But, that doesn’t mean we can necessarily trust him (not saying that I don’t, just that it’s something to consider). I’m glad we figured out who the applies are, but I don’t think it is safe to leave Jace alive/unjailed, so I wouldn’t recommend it (as long as we do one, we’ll be fine on that end). I don’t have any ideas on who to lynch (I’d rather leave Jace alive to use the wookies alive for more town votes, but that could be dangerous if Evi dies one night and allows Jace to convert more wookies, so not too sure what exactly to do with him), but I do want to point out one more time that Evi could still be mafia—I doubt she is, but if she is, it would be a legendary play for the mafia (abstain from killing, making it look like they tried to kill Evi’s prisoner, setting her up as a member of a different party, while also having her give a facade of overwhelming innocence). There is one thing that ought to be considered—if Evi is innocent, then I would be suspect of those who were like “oh wow Refty’s theory about Evi could be right”, because it would dumb of them to not try to take advantage of an opportunity to eliminate the one who is arguably their biggest threat—again, I’m too lazy to go back to see who said that (typing on my phone still), but somebody should go check who said that—if Evi is innocent, then I’d bet money at least one of the people who tried lobbying for my theory is mafia. Thats all I have to say for now—I can probably come comment more in a couple of hours.

Yeah sorry about being quiet—to break the fourth wall, I have had a lot of things going on irl (much more than I did last game), so that’s why I’m not saying much. Also, there hasn’t really been all too much (that isn’t already obvious) to work with, so I haven’t had anything to add. Since I’m not expecting to be all that more available in the coming days, I’ll go ahead and lay my cards on the table: I’m the mechanic (I’m revealing this because I don’t think my role is all too important/necessary for town’s survival so it won’t matter too much if I die, but I can still provide information), and visited Dive the first night (nothing I could hack) and Amber the second night (nothing I could hack). If there’s ways you can use that info, go for it. I’m on my phone typing this, and am too lazy to turn back to the first page, read through all the roles, and do the math. Also, I’m planning on visiting Drakyle tonight—I’m telling you this because 1) I suspect he might be the backstabber (roleclaiming the way he did invites suspicion, which leads to visiting him, which leads to free kills for the mafia), and if he is, then the next day report will probably tell whether I’m stabbed (as opposed to a regular mafia killing), and you’ll figure out whether he is a confirmed mafia member or not. If I am killed by the mafia it is possibly for one of these reasons 1) to frame Drakyle 2) to protect Drakyle (double bluff). Keep that in mind if I die (which I expect to happen, given what I’ve said and what the mafia’s attitude was towards me last game), but don’t naturally assume either—I don’t want my probably imminent death to be a distraction if I’m wrong—work with any info that you might find to make a decision as to whether pursuing my previously mentioned train of thought is one you should pay attention to. If I live, I’ll tell everybody what I’ve found, in keeping with what I’ve said about transparency. Also, I’m hesitant about Eviora—she hasn’t really done anything to suggest her innocence except for contribute to conversation (which is also what mafia would do, and is a play I’m expecting from the mafia this game, since I talked a lot last game and was considered to be innocent for most of the time—it would be something that the mafia might want to take advantage of, since, in many cases, it naturally leads to trust), but since everybody else seems to be vouching for her, I want to remind everyone to not unnecessarily do that. If she is mafia, I would be wary of those who, with barely any motivation/excuse that I can think of, bolstered her up as trustworthy (for the mafia to send in a Trojan horse would be smart and not improbable, so it needs to be kept in mind). And of course, I am not suggesting you just go ahead and trust me—I am not trying to sweep myself under the rug, and if/when I die, my innocence will confirm that what I’m saying is sincere. Keep in mind however that I am not condemning Eviora, I’m just saying that it is unwise for anybody to take their eyes off of her. In regards to the current discussion, I agree with the majority consensus about Jace—he certainly hasn’t said anything to help his case, and the revealing information that we do have about him suggests his guilt. With that in mind, I’ll vote: [Eliminate] Jace Stormkirk

I wasn’t imprisoned either

Maybe the W.S. tried to recruit Shadow (but since Shadow died, it didn’t work?), or maybe the W.S. tried to recruit someone who can’t be recruited (I don’t think there are any roles that work like that, but I can’t remember). I think that (maybe) Shadow visited the Commander (a Rebel), who knew they were outed, and then got the mafia together to kill him, because why else would they pick Shadow to kill (aside from eliminating somebody that would be relatively inactive, which is also pretty possible).

Drakyle you’re mafia?! I’m kidding

I’m pretty sure Venus is going along with what was mentioned in the dead chat last game (claiming to be mafia, or doing something so incredibly suspicious in order to see the reaction)—I think he was one of the people who said he’d do that; Dive can check that chat’s history and confirm what I’m saying, just as Drakyle can too. Still, his actions could distract us from more pressing issues, so I’m onboard with [Eliminate] Venus

Yeah I’m going to leave the decision to the Sith Lord [Eliminate] Nobody

Yeah I’m pretty clueless.

I’ll play!