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no idea why jan thought having a free froakie so early was a good idea in the first place lol

So in other words we're all gonna get blasted, blown away, disintegrated lmao welp time to train up the Mamoswine I benched a few gyms back

Ok since the general questions thread seems to be dead I guess I'll post this separately. Anyone know if Jan axed Magmirizer and Electirizer as possible held items for the Elekid and Magby in the Xen Lab? Maybe I just have awful luck but I've soft reseted for hours with Compundeyes for Electirizer and gotten nothing. Just wanna know so im not trying in vain

Is the Electirizer still available from Elekid in the Xen Lab? I've been soft reseting for a few hours now and just wanna make sure Jan didnt axe that in V7

Umm well which can I get sooner?

I read you needed surf for Solrock, but not Lunatone, and no I dont have Surf I just got there

For the life of me I can't find one, and I really want a Moonstone

Golem for A- (so surprised this isnt on the list yet unless I missed it) +Obtainable before Venam and is an excellent match for her +Great level up movepool, learning good STABs like Magnitude and Rock Throw/Rollout very early and later gets EQ and Stone Edge naturally, as well as moves like Explosion and Rock Polish +Sturdy + Explosion is good to get a hard suicide hit on single Pokemon bosses like Kyogre and the Dimensional Pokemon as well as against bad matchups where its otherwise useless +Good physical stats +Has useful resistances to Normal, Fire, Poison, Electric, Rock, and Flying. +Evolves into Graveler early -Needs a Linkstone to evolve into Golem -Crippling weaknesses to Water and Grass, as well as Fighting and Ground -Slow af -Weak SDef -Effectiveness becomes much more matchup based as the game goes on, but hey Sturdy is nice I guess. I was hesistant to nominate it to A just because I had a good experience with it but I know it's better than some of the garbage in B+. A- is probably good for it. It lasted me the entire game up to v6.

Late December? I can roll with that, a Pokemon Rejuvenation Christmas it is <3

Did this Dimensional Chandelure everyone is talking about get axed in V6? Because I do not remember that at all. I do remember Volcanion though, that was a rough fight for me, only reason I won was Sturdy Golem.

it does evolve with just a link stone since you cant trade with other players just yet

It is, in Terajuma Shore and Route 2 iirc. welp kinda answered my own question lol. thanks for pointing out my lack of fairy resists anyway

I was thinking Escavalier can make a good partner, I have very strong Fire resists on the team and it demolishes Fairies. Heliolisk also sounds alright but it's a casino prize and lol fuck that. Only concern with Escavalier is it makes the team even slower but then again I have Swoobat and Speed Boost Blaziken

If this belongs in Team Showcase (not sure) feel free to move it. Anyway, well I just beat Crawli and am kind of sick of only have five "permanent" members to my party yet I haven't run into a suitable 6th Pokemon for the long haul. I never thought Rejuvenation could be even worse than Reborn when it comes to the availability of good Pokemon (not that that's necessarily a bad thing, it does force you to innovate and use a variety of Pokemon and not just your main six goons and makes the game harder). Anyway, my current party consists of: Blaziken (Broken af) lvl 50 Speed Meme Quirky - Cut - Hi Jump Kick - Blaze Kick - Bulk Up Jellicent (Bloo) lvl 48 Water Absorb Bold - Hex - Recover - Surf - Brine Golem (CTC) lvl 48 Sturdy Jolly - Stealth Rock (Crawli's bane LOL) - Explosion - Rock Blast - Earthquake Tangrowth (Josh) lvl 48 Regenerator Relaxed - Knock Off - Wild Charge - Giga Drain - Ancient Power Swoobat (AM) lvl 49 Simple Modest - Calm Mind - Psychic - Endeavor - Air Slash Any recommendations for a 6th Pokemon that's available to me right now? Btw my mystery egg was a Drilbur that I dont really plan on using Thanks!

Alright I've been a bit busy and havent had time to update rankings but I have done some changes just now Oshawott and Mudkip have switched rankings as suggested by Dondon, however I have to disagree about Hariyama since with Thick Fat it matches up spectacularly against the two arguably hardest fights of the endgame, Charlotte and Blake. He stays A+ for now. Woobat has been moved up to B+ and Noibat down to C+. I've also scrapped the whole thing about the order within individual ranks, makes things way too convoluted and doesnt serve enough of a purpose. More changes will come soon

What rank do you think is appropriate? Honestly Swoobat is one of those Pokemon I should have probably omitted from prelim rankings.

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I must have confused it with Lick, which I guess is okay for paralyzing things. Empoleon and Blastoise are probably still too high I agree, I'll have to discuss this with Heliosan, but I'm still reluctant to drop Swampert and Gatr even further. Our reasoning for Diggersby was that it's not that much better than Excadrill who you can also get pretty early and it's meh bulk and speed start to bite it later in the game, unlike Azu and Infernape respectively. Again though, I'll take all of this into consideration as I make the next set of changes and additions in a day or two. EDIT: Whatever these were obvious anyway so I moved Empoleon to B and Blastoise to C, the less obvious changes will come later.

Not at all, I hope I don't sound that way either though I probably do lol. Yeah I do that whole squad rotation to get them all around the same level thing. Major OCD.

At 100 Base Speed you are not outspeeding everything unless you're just grinding to the level cap before every major fight and have a positive speed nature with good IVs. Typhlosion isn't Greninja, it's gonna be taking hits from some of the higher leveled opponents in the game before getting off that crucial Eruption. Granted Eruption is plenty strong and it has room in its moveset for that and another reliable Fire STAB, but that's really just a testament to how horrid it's movepool is. I'll probably get Heliosan to test Cyndaquil since I know he's starting another test run soon, but I'll take your word for it and move Cynda up to B since thats still plenty lower than the other Fire starters, and on second thought it's not nearly as bad as junk like Gothita and Munna though it's early game is probably the worst out of all the Fire starters and just about every other early Fire type that isn't Pansear. I'll concede your points about Gatr and Mudkip, but I totally disagree about Froakie, Protean boosting normally non STAB moves like Round, priority STAB Shadow Sneak, and Smack Down in the early game is crucial and gives it plenty of power behind it's attacks, not to mention the defensive boons of Protean and that it gets a strong early special Water STAB in Water Pulse (though unfortunately it has to stick with that for a while). It starts decent and just gets better as the game progresses. I think it's fine in A. EDIT: Tier list has been updated. Changes: S+ tier has been added to house the mighty chicken. Diggersby: S ------> A+ Swampert: A+ -----> A- Empoleon: A- ----> B+ Torterra: B -----> B+ Feraligatr: A- -----> B Cyndaquil: C -----> B Charmander: B- ---> B Kricketot: D -----> C- Aron: Unranked -----> B- Skorupi: Unranked -----> C+ Descriptions for Turtwig and Shroomish have been added.

You can't seriously equate Sudowoodo to Magnezone because they get the same ability 0.0 Also how is Hariyama a gimmick Pokemon? It has great stats very early and stays useful throughout the entire game thanks to Knock Off, Heavy Slam, and Thick Fat. Seriously if a Pokemon isn't worth keeping for the entire game after it is obtained it probably isn't making B+, let alone A. That being said we'll take a look at it since I do think its too low considering what has now been said. Maybe C+ or B- is fitting. Yeah Reuniclus is too low I agree, it should be at least equal to Gard since Gard got moved to later. And Gallade does need to be seperate and much lower than Gardevoir. As for the Water starters, Gatr doesn't really miss physical STAB all that much in practice when SF Crunch and Ice Fang are so ridiculously strong. Maybe A- is still quite high though, same for Empoleon and Mudkip. I stand firm on Froakie though and the fact that in the long run the Grass starters are quite stagnant while the aforementioned Water starters are just catching their stride and they will continue to get better because they are just better in general. I mean yes the Water starters have it rough early but the Grass starters don't do that much better by your own examples and don't do nearly as well later. They still get smashed by PULSE Tangrowth, Corey, Shade, Aya, Serra, even Shelly gives them trouble. And later they get eviscerated by Blake, Charlotte and Ciel. So yes the Water starters get beat up on early but it's not like Bulbasaur and Treecko are the early game juggernauts in comparison. Setting up does you no good if your STABs get resisted by everything, you're sorely overestimating how valuable their set up game is and set up in general. Few Pokemon actually pull it off efficiently and well enough and it's not as big of a factor in viability as you think. I'd rather have a Pokemon that's good overall and supports the team well over one that's only good given a chance to set up. In conclusion I'll consider dropping some Water starters, Infernape, and Diggersby, but at this point I'm only considering Turtwig for a raise. And I'll also discuss the split tiers idea with Heliosan later. Also if you read the OP I only want the format for Pokemon not yet ranked or without a description if you want to provide it. Feel free to express yourself about placing in general as you wish. Ehhh Eruption just isnt reliable enough to make me want to raise the Cyndaquil family past C+. In an actual run with it I'd probably drop Typhlosion the minute Litwick showed up. And yes when I name a Pokemon on this list it's the entire evolutionary line. We can discuss a Charmander raise though since it's movepool does have some gems and Solar Power can be useful. Commander and Dragon116 thank you for the contribution. I'll update the OP shortly

I went through the entire On the Hunt list and purposefully skipped Pokemon I had no clue about or I felt werent as obvious and needed testing rather than an arbitrary ranking such as Meditite. I could see it being a strong contender for A though. I'm also considering moving down Infernape since it is substantially weaker than the others and can't really sweep like Blaziken or tank like Azumarill. As for a list split based on availability, I dont think thats such a good idea, I feel like that would quickly devolve into making everything A Rank because it's boss for about 15 minutes. Hell I put Kricketot in D (though you could make a case for C-) because after Florinia it is absolutely worthless, and it's not like it's unique in being able to flex on Julia and Florinia, pretty much every Fire starter does that and they stay useful for the rest of the game. So yeah in 40~ hour game like Reborn being good for an hour doesn't really cut it. Same applies to Sudowoodo which I can't imagine myself ever using over Rhyhorn (Mystery Egg) or Geodude. We also won't take breeding into account very much unless a certain event mon can come with egg moves already because breeding takes a long ass time and isn't very efficient. We do, however, rank comparatively because unlike the main series games it's not efficient to pick up a bunch of junk ASAP in Reborn only to then lose a million times to Corey, Shade, and Charlotte before having to go back and pick up something worthwhile anyway. This is especially validated by the level caps. EDIT: Also, try to avoid making suggestions that would make a Pokemon jump several ranks unless you're absolutely sure of your case or that we missed something, ex. suggesting moving Cyndaquil from C to A+

Hello there! My name is LordWallace and I am here with Heliosan and we are tackling the daunting task of creating a viability ranking for this game to help you in your Pokemon Reborn quest! Of course, a task as big as this would be near impossible without the help of the community and thats where YOU come in! In this thread, you are encouraged to post your thoughts and opinions on the various Pokemon that we can find in Pokemon Reborn and what tier they should be in. These are mostly preliminary rankings, feel free to nominate to move a Pokemon up or down as well as adding Pokemon that arent on the list yet. A Pokemons rank is decided by these factors: A proper ranking proposal for a Pokemon currently without a rank, or if you want to provide a description for a Pokemon already on the list without one, should be in the format shown below. Torchic - Combusken - Blaziken for S Rank Availability: 0-13 badges Movepool: (Fantastic, Pretty Good, Okay, Bad, or Supremely Awful) Comments: (some rationale for your nomination, why is it better than Pokemon in ranks below it? Which major battles is it useful in? What does it contribute to a Reborn in-game team? etc.) A few disclaimers and notes: The comments section of some Pokemon obtained later in the game MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS, read those at your own risk. Due to Pokemon Reborns length and level of difficulty, unlike other in-game tier lists, Pokemon in Reborn will be ranked comparatively. (ex. Why use Pansear when you can get Growlithe a bit later, or Litwick much later, both of which perform much better? Or choose Chimchar as a starter? This WILL affect Pansears rank). Some Pokemon may be ranked more than once if its available earlier than usual due to a limited event (ex. Getting Turtwig as a starter makes it more viable than getting it at Agate Circus) Please give rational feedback to where each Pokemon is tiered and give sufficient reasoning as to why a Pokemon should be moved up or down. Lets keep this as a no-ego environment and provide constructive criticism of each other. Note about the Police Mystery Egg Event (EP 15 Update): [: S-Rank: These Pokemon are arguably the best in the game, being able to hold their own from the instant you get them, which is usually very early, to much later in the game. They never really lose their usefulness, and are the Pokemon you should be using if you want the smoothest and easiest play though. A Rank: These Pokemon are almost always useful, but are held back from the S-tier for one reason or another. They usually have good stats, decent availability, good movepool and can usually handle themselves in battles. B Rank: These are Pokemon that tend to be quite decent, provide a good experience with the difficulty of the game, while not being too hard to train or win with. They tend to missing a couple of key things that make them a lot better. C Rank: These pokemon are very middle of the ground. They have good redeeming qualities, but also have their share of negative ones too. D Rank: These Pokemon are on the lower side of things. They tend to have more bad things about them than good things. If you want to have a challenge with this game, I'd recommend starting here and below. Fail Rank: These are pokemon that have trouble getting anywhere. They tend to be hindered by many bad traits, and have very limited usefulness. Limbo: These Pokemon are technically available but for one reason or another cannot be given an appropriate ranking. Beldum Riolu Aerodactyl

Tbf none of his suggestions were particularly fantastic to the point where it made the team better, like the OP pointed out it just seemed like he wrote down whatever was at the top of his head. Dont see how thats rude As for actual feedback, yeah you may wanna train at least one dedicated Water killer for whenever we do face Amaria. I could totally see Tangrowth or Exeggutor working for this team. They give you bulky Ground resists and Water resists that hit fairly hard. Eggy can set up TR and sweep Amaria potentially while Growth has Regenerator to keep coming in. Only downside is their SDef wont be taking Ice Beams too well, so getting a +SDef nature could help. Ludicolo is another amazing option that synergizes really well with the team.