dondon151

Can't you just sell the Potion to the vendor on the first floor of the Grand Hall Top? Regardless, there are 2 wings hidden right outside that area that can be sold for 1.5k each, so whatever. This line of reasoning to fix game imbalance is the Reborn equivalent of patching up a leaky boat with duct tape. I missed this paragraph from earlier. Crobat is stronger than Talonflame. There's no need to encourage its use. For the last time, you need to remove any notion of competitive Pokemon when it comes to evaluating in-game strength. Competitive Pokemon are judged in a specific context with all of their available tools at their disposal. In-game Pokemon are judged in an entirely different context with few to none of their available tools at their disposal. So if I were to tell you that Greninja is not good in-game, your response shouldn't be to point me to its former staple OU moveset of Hydro Pump / Ice Beam / Grass Knot / Gunk Shot @ Life Orb or whatever. At no point in the game thus far will it have that moveset (or legally, even that hold item). There are plenty of examples of OU Pokemon, past and present, who aren't as good in-game. Chansey and Skarmory are two obvious examples because their defensive niche is much less useful and they have trouble dealing damage. Gothitelle is only OU because it can set up with Shadow Tag + Calm Mind, but in-game trainers rarely switch and Gothitelle doesn't even have access to Calm Mind. Many of the current OU Pokemon are only in OU because their mega evolutions are in OU. Obviously, Altaria wouldn't be OU without its mega stone. Conkeldurr probably wouldn't be OU without Ice Punch, which is a move that it can't yet learn in Reborn. Onto Archeops. Defeatist is a problem in competitive play for several reasons: Stealth Rock chips away at Archeops's HP, you are never safe switching a Pokemon in, and healing Pokemon is hard. None of these are problems in in-game play. Hardly anyone uses Stealth Rock. You are always safe switching Pokemon in with the shift battle mode. Healing items are cheap and ubiquitous. It is so easy to keep Archeops at >50% HP and make use of its fantastic STAB combination and well-distributed 567 BST. Archeops is NU in competitive play but one of the stronger options in-game. EDIT: I got ninja'd while writing this post. These will be my last words on the Talonflame subject.

It got buried. I don't think it's a bad idea. The issue is that egg moves which are available immediately are either too strong or too weak. Take Squirtle, for example. What are we going to give it? Aqua Jet works for a L5 Pokemon, but it's so weak later on. Water Spout works for a developed Blastoise, but it's absurdly strong at L5. I think one way to slightly equalize the strength of the starters is to introduce a pledge tutor at an appropriate point in the game. That way, all starters will at least have access to a decent STAB move with no drawback.

So do Crobat and Archeops, except for Samson's Lucario. Heck, even Emolga laughs at Samson. EDIT: I distinctly remember watching someone's Reborn LP where he was using Crobat. Most of the time, it would get off a strong hit or two with Acrobatics and then faint. This is approximately representative of Talonflame's power. How am I being condescending? I have not insulted a single person thus far aside from the original "are you fucking kidding me" comment that was directed at no one in particular. I am guilty of being aggressive when it comes to pointing out contradiction, but that's not something that I think I should apologize for.

No, it doesn't. Competitive Pokemon is not in-game Pokemon. Repeat after me, kids. "Competitive Pokemon is not in-game Pokemon." Fletchinder is banned from NU in part because it runs Swords Dance and Will-o-Wisp, neither of which it can learn in-game at the moment. RU Fletchinder uses Acrobatics; in-game Fletchinder doesn't even learn Acrobatics before evolving into Talonflame. RU Fletchinder's priority Roost is strong because competitive Pokemon disallows item usage. You are free to use potions and ice creams as you please in Reborn. Don't bother attempting to cite cost again; both Etesian and Commander have punched holes in that argument. Also, are you seriously trying to argue that Fletchinder is gamebreaking because it's RU? Golbat is RU, Glalie is RU, Qwilfish is RU. Man, they sure are some broken Pokemon. Every Pokemon that's not a fire-type or carries Water Veil, Guts, etc. is vulnerable to burns. Are you going to claim that a Pokemon is too strong because it's fire-type? How is Fletchinder's level up movepool remotely good? Its strongest damaging move prior to L44 Acrobatics is L38 Flame Charge (both of which it should be learning as Talonflame). Its strongest damaging move prior to L38 Flame Charge is L27 Razor Wind (lol). If you want consistent damage that doesn't require a charge turn, pick your poison between Peck and Ember. Yikes. My buddy Golbat gets Wing Attack at L13. Golbat learns a stronger STAB at L13 than Fletchinder can learn before L44. Even the shittier bird Pokemon are better off than Fletchinder. Pidgeotto gets L37 Wing Attack. Tranquill gets L15 Air Cutter. Taillow, being the monster that it is, gets L13 Wing Attack, which is a bit later than Staravia's L9 Wing Attack. Alilatias earlier stated that she would like an earlier Taillow. The Taillow line utterly shames the Fletchling line until Talonflame learns usable STABs. Taillow reaches its final form earlier. It learns Wing Attack at L13. It can actually get a normal-type STAB that situationally becomes incredibly powerful. Fletchinder, meanwhile, is content to chip away at an enemy with Peck or Ember and stall away your life with Roost. Have fun with that.

Look, I'm in the same boat as Mighty Kamina: I don't particularly like Talonflame. I just find the arguments for his exclusion to be extraordinarily feeble. The idea that Talonflame will break the game is so prevalent in this community that some users simply cite it as accepted fact, but it's so obvious to me that Talonflame is not a good in-game Pokemon. Infernape isn't gamebreaking, though. Neither is Greninja. Greninja is actually not very good until it gets access to usable moves via TM/HM late in the game. Delphox is definitely much better than Greninja. I think that Serperior is very strong because it can set up against a lot of enemies and its win condition is so easy to meet. Coil, sweep. Coil, sweep. Throw in a Leech Seed to aid durability. The problem with singling out "good" starters should be self-evident by now: we can argue about it all day and the only starter that everyone will agree on being stronger than all the rest is Blaziken.

I will echo Etesian's statement that money is never an issue except for very early in the game. And given how horrid Fletchinder is, I think free healing might salvage it from being so, so bad. Okay? So is every other physical fire-type Pokemon, most of which are stronger than Talonflame? Isn't this a good thing? If a player wants to hatch eggs, he'll do it anyway, and you might as well make it easier for him. If a player doesn't want to hatch eggs, then this doesn't matter.

Assertions require evidence. You actually first need to put up a convincing argument that Talonflame is better than Crobat, because Crobat is not remotely broken or gamebreaking. I think I've thoroughly shown that Crobat is just a better Pokemon than Talonflame. Ball's in your court.

Crobat has the distinct advantage of being available at L23 because it evolves through friendship and not by level up. I'm not convinced that Fletchinder would destroy Florinia. Fletchinder's strongest moves are Peck and Ember. There are plenty of Pokemon that destroy Florinia in a truer sense of the word - Hariyama and Kricketune come to mind. Kiki is a fair point, but that's just one battle. According to the locations guide, Golbat is available in Pyrous Mt., so it can be caught before Kiki anyway. Again, I have to cite examples of Pokemon that trivialize other gym leader battles. Any Pokemon bred or reset for perfect characteristics and then fully EV trained is going to have an easier time with the game. I'm fairly certain that Reborn is designed to accommodate a natural progression rather than training of a competitive nature. I could be wrong on this, but I doubt it.

I don't know why people continue to bring up priority Roost when healing items have priority anyway and usually heal more than Roost. I also don't know why Gale Wings is considered good in-game when a fast flier like Crobat or Noivern already outspeeds every opponent Pokemon to begin with. It's like, is 126 base spd not fast enough? Are you not already going first with your flying-type moves? I mean, you might have an easier time with the Mewtwo battle, but isn't that a good thing? Mewtwo isn't easy for a team that doesn't have an easy out, and all of the Prankster users are better than Gale Wings Talonflame at gimping the single-Pokemon boss battles anyway. Priority screens, Leech Seed, and Stun Spore are all substantially more powerful than priority Brave Bird, Tailwind, or Roost. #axeCottonee #freeTalonflame (no please don't axe Cottonee)

Not every player is a first-time player. An event where you get mugged right at the beginning of the game seems really contrived; I'm sure that even someone who doesn't know what's going on would suspect that something is weird. Trade-offs are not inherently a bad thing, but you just have to make sure that the player doesn't get the sense of being unfairly penalized. I think, for example, that an event where you receive a free Pokemon depending on the power of your starter could work. It would kind of be like the monkey event in B/W, except the variable is the starter's strength rather than the type. The player would still be effectively penalized for choosing a better starter, but he would perceive it differently because instead of something being taken away, he's receiving something for free. The issue afterwards is deciding which starters are in what tier. I'm of the opinion that there are only 2 tiers of starters: Blaziken-tier and not-Blaziken-tier. Some may disagree. (Actually, starter strength is correlated to type. The fire-type starters are stronger as a whole and the grass- and water-type starters are weaker. Some of this certainly has to do with the type composition of the first two gyms and Fern and Cain.)

Blaziken would still be the strongest starter, even without Speed Boost. The mugging event doesn't sound very good. The last thing that you want to do is to make a player feel like he's being punished for making a choice that's not even objectively wrong. And despite Blaziken being the strongest starter, it still struggles with a good handful of boss battles.

So I've already countered most of these points. 0. Priority healing already exists in the form of myriad potions and ice creams. 1. What's the point of Gale Wings on a Pokemon with 126 base spd? Reborn is not competitive Pokemon. Talonflame is OU because it reliably beats specific Pokemon and it can revenge kill, and typically it requires either an unobtainable item (Choice Band) or an unobtainable move (Bulk Up). The former is true of all Pokemon in-game, and the latter doesn't matter because the AI rarely switches. 2. Crobat gets Acrobatics at L35 and it is not an overpowered Pokemon. Emolga is barely weaker than Talonflame (base 75 atk vs. base 81 atk) and it learns Acrobatics at L30, plus it doesn't have to deal with being useless forever, plus it has actual support moves in Nuzzle, Light Screen, and Encore. Emolga > Talonflame, you heard it here first, folks. 3. Literally every Pokemon that learns Flame Charge by level up learns it sooner than Talonflame, and why does Talonflame need +spd when it already has base 126 spd? 4. Talonflame is not good against 3 of Serra's Pokemon. I'm pretty sure that Avalugg has Rock Slide, in which case 3 of Serra's Pokemon easily take a Flare Blitz from Talonflame's meager 81 base atk and OHKO in return with a water-type move or Rock Slide.

I've dealt with this before because I've argued over this same exact subject in the past. I don't mind contrasting opinions, but I do mind when I put work into a post like that and the only impression I get from the responders is that no one bothered reading it. I think that's rude. It's not rude in a direct way, but it's still rude. All gym leaders have a Pokemon or Pokemon(s?) that they are very vulnerable to. It shouldn't be surprising that Talonflame is strong against Serra, although I think you're overestimating its strength. It can't do anything to Cloyster, Avalugg, or Lapras. I've already pointed out that among non-starters, Arcanine and Darmanitan are clearly both stronger than Talonflame at all stages of the game, and I would also include Pyroar and Ninetales in their company. Among flying-type Pokemon, Crobat is the first Pokemon that comes to mind as being clearly superior, and even Noibat is competitive against Fletchinder. The only strike against Talonflame, which I recall someone bringing up previously, is that it's so popular in competitive play that some of its popularity may spill over into in-game play. I don't view that as a problem; too bad for the players who so eagerly decide to invest in such a mediocre Pokemon.

Are you guys fucking kidding me. How does an incomprehensible rant about Talonflame supposedly being strong get upvotes? I don't understand. Look at Fletchinder's level up moves. What's it going to do? Use a STAB Ember off base 56 spatk? Launch a 2-turn Razor Wind with no super effective coverage? Finish off an enemy with a priority Peck? The enemy sure is quivering in its boots. It's atrocious before its final evolution into Talonflame. It's still bad afterwards because Talonflame's only remotely usable moves are Acrobatics at L44 and Flare Blitz and Brave Bird via move tutor. Do you know who else gets STAB Acrobatics at a lower level than Talonflame? Crobat. Crobat even has higher atk (on top of basically every other stat) than Talonflame and it reaches its final evolution earlier. Move tutor has been pushed back to after the Sirius battle, at which point the average team level is approaching L50. This means that Talonflame doesn't get its best STABs until L50. Let that sink in for a moment: it's been nigh unusable until L44 when it actually learned a decent move, and it's only looking sunny beginning at L50. Who else gets Flare Blitz as STAB at or before L50? - Growlithe gets Flare Blitz at L45. - Rapidash gets Flare Blitz at L49. - Flareon gets Flare Blitz at L45. - Darmanitan gets Flare Blitz at L33 (!) Every single one of these Pokemon in their final forms is substantially stronger than Talonflame. Gale Wings. Gale Wings defines Talonflame in the OU metagame, but it's incredibly redundant in-game. You are playing against an AI. You do not need priority flying type moves when you already have 126 base spd. Talonflame blows. It's a terrible in-game Pokemon that grows into an average in-game Pokemon. I'd encourage users to please look at the facts before blubbering nonsense, but I'm willing to bet that some just won't be convinced regardless of the evidence against them.

I've said it before, but the Talonflame line is not strong in-game.

They are only obtainable, to my knowledge, as hidden items. Cotton Candy is buyable in the candy shop, which acts as a Max Revive. I don't know if Ame removed it in E14.5.

I think Snivy is better for this. It also gets Leech Seed, it's defensively bulky, and Coil is one of the best boosting moves in the game. Its coverage is ass, but Coil-boosted Slam + Leaf Blade hits most opponents neutral, and Slam can be upgraded to Iron Tail at Agate Circus.

I wrote this speedrun guide awhile back sort of as a makeshift bare-bones general guide: http://www.pokemonreborn.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9358 Feel free to use it as you please. I have screenshots saved for the hidden items, but they're only saved on my hard drive. It's also slightly outdated. I'm planning on writing a new route when E15 is released.

Does Cain still mysteriously have the swamp field for this battle, or was that fixed?

Setup sweepers are some of the best Pokemon in Reborn.

What's the ETA on E14.6? I know you guys have a lot of bugfixes on your plates.

So is the other Black Sludge in Byxbysion Wasteland no longer there?

Samson's Hariyama and Conkeldurr are guaranteed to get high rolls on the high striker field.

Thanks, ~Derpy Simon. Helping Hand looks good. The Agate Circus move tutors aren't that great, but some Pokemon benefit from having access to Drill Run, Iron Tail, etc.

I don't expect many of them to be useful, but I'd still like to know so that I can plan ahead of time whether I need to collect shards before Agate Circus.