Support Squad Felicity Posted November 7, 2014 Support Squad Share Posted November 7, 2014 @Surge. Look at it however you want. Lastly, how will stuff like TM's work? Do students have access to use them? If so, what are the limitations? One of the basic ideas behind this RP is that there are no TMs. Moves must be worked for so that no perfect movesets can easily be obtained. Try reading the OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veterans Azeria Posted November 7, 2014 Veterans Share Posted November 7, 2014 You're on, Soldier. I'll be looking forward to it someday. Calm down, soldier... It probably won't even be towards near the end or later parts of the chapter (If the situation permits it, of course) or maybe the middle... we'll just have to wait and see. Eh,it seems like i overreacted a bit there.Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 @Surge. Look at it however you want. Lastly, how will stuff like TM's work? Do students have access to use them? If so, what are the limitations? You early Scizor dude. I'll be packing heat if you dare try to use it. I have Vacuum Wave, Soldier. No air in a Vacuum. if theres no Air then there's also no fire and no sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted November 7, 2014 Support Squad Share Posted November 7, 2014 I have Vacuum Wave, Soldier. No air in a Vacuum. if theres no Air then there's also no fire and no sound But that vacuum can simultaneously be used to propel oneself towards the center faster due to particles rushing to fill it., and then ignition can take place once the atmosphere has returned. Bearing in mind the move lasts for very little time, due to there being an atmosphere everywhere. I hope I got that right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 But that vacuum can simultaneously be used to propel oneself towards the center faster due to particles rushing to fill it., and then ignition can take place once the atmosphere has returned. Bearing in mind the move lasts for very little time, due to there being an atmosphere everywhere. I hope I got that right. I honestly don't even know, soldier. Physics isn't exactly my strong suit. but I have other plans up my sleeve to try to deal with fire... But... do recall that this is all just assuming Mareek would actually be stupid enough to match something with a x4 weakness to fire...against a fire type in the first place. Yeah, not likely to happen unless he has no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted November 7, 2014 Support Squad Share Posted November 7, 2014 I honestly don't even know, soldier. Physics isn't exactly my strong suit. But... this is all just assuming Mareek would actually be stupid enough to match something with a x4 weakness to fire...against a fire type. Yeah, not likely to happen unless he has no choice. Well, In some cases there could be mons like Tacos Feroces with Fire fang, or other mons with auxillary fighting moves. Unless you make a point of observing literally everyone, Mareek will probably be caught off guard by this at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Well, In some cases there could be mons like Tacos Feroces with Fire fang, or other mons with auxillary fighting moves. Unless you make a point of observing literally everyone, Mareek will probably be caught off guard by this at times. Well he can either stand there and bitch about a type disadvantage, or he can suck it up and adapt to the situation. So what if he's caught off guard at times? what honestly matters in such situations is how one reacts and reevaluates. and quite honestly, I don't fight to win when I RP battles. I fight to cause the most damages on the opponent as I possibly can in the situation... I don't care who wins, but I'll do everything I can to make damn sure they'll have to work for it in order to achieve victory. So long as we can both walk away feeling that we managed to choreograph a great battle, one that we can look back on and not feel shame for it being shitty and/or lazy writing, but instead pride because we gave it our all in it's execution, then I'll be satisfied. What I care about is quality, Soldier, not win streaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antares Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) So what about original moves? Like combos? I.E - Lucario uses Extremespeed, crashes into an opponent, sending them flying. Then it uses Extremespeed to run behind the opponent, barraging them with a Close Combat flurry, ending it with striking them down. I call that the Muso Renge combo. Or other moves that seem reasonable, like same Lucario making an iron fist for punching WITH POWER rather than speed. I call it Full Metal Cross. Would make it have severe drawbacks to using it so it's balanced. I've seen weird moves on here, such as a Spheal making an icicle sculpture with it's own unique move. Edited November 7, 2014 by Antares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted November 7, 2014 Support Squad Share Posted November 7, 2014 So what about original moves? Like combos? I.E - Lucario uses Extremespeed, crashes into an opponent, sending them flying. Then it uses Extremespeed to run behind the opponent, barraging them with a Close Combat flurry, ending it with striking them down. I call that the Muso Renge combo. Or other moves that seem reasonable, like same Lucario making an iron fist for punching WITH POWER rather than speed. I call it Full Metal Cross. Would make it have severe drawbacks to using it so it's balanced. I've seen weird moves on here, such as a Spheal making an icicle sculpture with it's on unique move. These sound feasible, but too close to power playing imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 So what about original moves? Like combos? I.E - Lucario uses Extremespeed, crashes into an opponent, sending them flying. Then it uses Extremespeed to run behind the opponent, barraging them with a Close Combat flurry, ending it with striking them down. I call that the Muso Renge combo. Or other moves that seem reasonable, like same Lucario making an iron fist for punching WITH POWER rather than speed. I call it Full Metal Cross. Would make it have severe drawbacks to using it so it's balanced. The general rule of thumb with combos is to keep it within the realms of reasonable strength. Don't go pulling some fantastical, ridiculously complex bout of BS physics/ psuedo science tactic that you think makes you "Unbeatable" or such. Make Combos interesting and clever, but don't go overboard, because there is a very fine line. And I agree with Corporal Dobby that the above combo is very close to Power Playing, as well as God modding from some of the Aspects of it you described, like auto hitting the opponent and not even giving a chance to react EDIT: Chimchain has also already stated this about battles: "Don't use more than two attacks and give the other side a chance to react."- that's paraphrased a little, but very close to what I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApatheticPanda Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 So what about original moves? Like combos? I.E - Lucario uses Extremespeed, crashes into an opponent, sending them flying. Then it uses Extremespeed to run behind the opponent, barraging them with a Close Combat flurry, ending it with striking them down. I call that the Muso Renge combo. Or other moves that seem reasonable, like same Lucario making an iron fist for punching WITH POWER rather than speed. I call it Full Metal Cross. Would make it have severe drawbacks to using it so it's balanced. I've seen weird moves on here, such as a Spheal making an icicle sculpture with it's own unique move. BRUH! Musharna would survive that no problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted November 7, 2014 Support Squad Share Posted November 7, 2014 Hell yeah, I'mma Corporal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboAura Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) @Antares: Just don't think to OP. For example, the combo I'm using for Voltage (Robert's Elekid), 'Shining Stars,' has it charge a Swift attack with electrical power like Shock Wave. While it gains some power, it also takes 'just a bit more' than twice the charge time. So 1) Every positive can lead to a negative. 2) Don't expect chaining moves to be perfect, the other person should have some way to not be destroyed. @Panda: That truly is a 'Heavy Sleeper.' By the way, are you doing well with the 'character bio'? Edited November 7, 2014 by TurboAura Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApatheticPanda Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 @Antares: Just don't think to OP. For example, the combo I'm using for Voltage (His Elekid), 'Shining Stars,' has it charge a Swift attack with electrical power like Shock Wave. While it gains some power, it also takes a bit more than twice the charge time. So 1) Every positive can lead to a negative. 2) Don't expect chaining moves to be perfect, the other person should have some way to not be destroyed. @Panda: That truly is a 'Heavy Sleeper.' By the way, are you doing well with the 'character bio'? Yes, I've sent him my character bio. I had trouble deciding as Weedle as my starter or Budew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antares Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Not gonna go overboard on the OP factor of my moves. They will be balanced like Muso Renge requires a Lucario to know at least Close Combat and Extremespeed first, then practice to pull off the move successfully. Would probably require a strike to a precise spot. The physics would not be to messed up since Extremespeed is travelling at a "near invisible speed". It would be more like a coup de grace to end it. Everything has a trade-off. Naruto loses control over himself when the Kyuubi takes over. Goku becomes more frantic and risks more energy at the higher level of Saiyan. Each gate of the Hidden Lotus risks more injury and possibly death. List goes on, but I'll end it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutoratosu Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 It still requires that you pretty much pull off 3 auto hits against the other player in order to actually use the combo, at least that's what I'm getting from the way you described it. That in and of itself still isn't going to fly. I've already said why, soldier. EDIT: oh, and look what I found: Since Magnemite is down I can't interfere right now but in future battles: keep it to max 2 attacks and leave a space for your opponent to dodge / reflect some damage. Jacob's Trapinch can still be at half power in this case. (4x effective should've 2HKO'd a sturdy Magnemite at this point anyway) I'm too lazy to look back but someone asked if it was possible to have multiple dragons. The answer is yes. Need I say more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snap Crackle Pop Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) Character incoming~ (Pokemon levels/ moves are set to the current requirements of Ch. 2, but will probably be adjusted once she's introduced in Ch. 3 accordingly.) Name: Louise LindstromAge: 14 Birthday: December 29th Appearance: (Her hair is supposed to be less red xD Serves me right for making her in poor lightning xD) Program: Trainer (Sooo close to making her a coordinator...) Starter: Feebas Pokemon: Milotic (F) ( XD nope) Lvl: 20 Nature: Quiet Ability: Competitive Moves: TwisterWater pulse TackleRefresh Gastly (M) (Axion xD I suck at nicknames...) Lvl. 17 Nature: Timid Ability: Levitate Moves:Confuse raySmog Gible (F) (Still coming up with nickname) Lvl. 17 Ability: Rough skin Nature: Adamant Moves:Sand attackTackleSand storm Sand tomb Hometown: Blackthorn City, Johto(I don’t recall if anyone is from this City, but if they are, things can be changed) Background: Louise lived and grew up in Blackthorn with her parents as an only child. She was, as a young kid, very picky and stubborn, impatient and generally close minded. Her parents, picking up on this and feeling pretty concerned, decided to try to teach her a lesson so they gave her a Feebas for her 8th birthday. Young Louise was not too pleased, referring to it as a stupid fish initially, she wanted something strong and pretty, not "some fish that looked like it was dipped in glue and ran through a gutter". Her parents forced her to take care of it, and threatened to prevent her from getting another pokemon ever if anything bad was to happen to the Fish pokemon. Such threats worked well on a kid of her age and she complied, stubbornly taking care of the pokemon, and, flash forward a few years, she did eventually grow quite close with Feebas. She never nicknamed him, but when she was 10 and learning her pokemon evolutions and whatnot, the two decided that she would do so when Feebas evolved. Edited November 22, 2014 by Snap Crackle Pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antares Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) I'll only say this to round out Muso Renge. The ultimate problem will be executing the Extremespeed at first. The Lucario is screwed if the Pokemon can strafe the Extremespeed or time it to counter. Extremespeed is not teleporting. The easiest way to counter is to fight speed with more speed, Greninja and similar can outspeed the Lucario. If we talk anime logic, Extremespeed is not that fast. There is also the sake of Counter or Protect. The move is not a shield breaker. I'll end by saying the 3 hits you mean is actually 2. The tackling then speeding around is kinda 1 motion, then the Close Combat flurry is one technical attack. NOTE: I am not using the Lucario I am mentioning in chapter 3. It will be a Riolu and stay as such until later one. The example I make is a Lucario trained expotentially longer. It might learn Full Metal Cross or start to learn it because no one complained about that one much. Edited November 8, 2014 by Antares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacos Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I'll only say this to round out Muso Renge. The ultimate problem will be executing the Extremespeed at first. The Lucario is screwed if the Pokemon can strafe the Extremespeed or time it to counter. Extremespeed is not teleporting. The easiest way to counter is to fight speed with more speed, Greninja and similar can outspeed the Lucario. If we talk anime logic, Extremespeed is not that fast. There is also the sake of Counter or Protect. The move is not a shield breaker. I'll end by saying the 3 hits you mean is actually 2. The tackling then speeding around is kinda 1 motion, then the Close Combat flurry is one technical attack. NOTE: I am not using the Lucario I am mentioning in chapter 3. It will be a Riolu and stay as such until later one. The example I make is a Lucario trained expotentially longer. It might learn Full Metal Cross or start to learn it because no one complained about that one much. Well considering basically that whole combo relies on landing the extreme speed, it won't be too reliable. Plus the whole pushback thing won't be all that affective if you factor a pokemon,s weight or its typing. Like hell a lucario will not be pushing back a probopass with extreme speed. Just don't go heavy on reliant combos, and give your opponent a chance to react and you'll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Squad Felicity Posted November 8, 2014 Support Squad Share Posted November 8, 2014 Well considering basically that whole combo relies on landing the extreme speed, it won't be too reliable. Plus the whole pushback thing won't be all that affective if you factor a pokemon,s weight or its typing. Like hell a lucario will not be pushing back a probopass with extreme speed. Just don't go heavy on reliant combos, and give your opponent a chance to react and you'll be fine Hmm, there's also the notion of flying pokemon. Lets say this happened to Doux, evolved. The Whimsi line is very light and can fly/float. If it got hit with extremespeed, it'd be like hitting a balloon and sending it reeling up and away. There's no way that in the heat of battle, with Doux fighting back, that this combo could be executed. Also, not gonna lie, I'll be using Douxs weight in a few battles. It's one of the few pokemon that can logically take advantage of this and fits into what I think would happen to a cottonee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyrus the Priestess Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Tbh I was so close to choosing coordinator too, Snap... Now we can show these guys how it's done, together in the Trainer Program! XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevaleresse Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 i just realized that my team is literally all physical attackers except the special-attacking Gardevoir this is why i'm getting a blissey eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antares Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Well considering basically that whole combo relies on landing the extreme speed, it won't be too reliable. Plus the whole pushback thing won't be all that affective if you factor a pokemon,s weight or its typing. Like hell a lucario will not be pushing back a probopass with extreme speed. Just don't go heavy on reliant combos, and give your opponent a chance to react and you'll be fine I'll give a little physics lesson then. I understand that a Lucario cannot move a Probopass by crashing with Extremespeed. The Lucario would have to have enough momentum to make your opponent fly away. By "fly", I mean like maybe 20-25 mph. P(Momentum) = Mass x Velocity. A Lucario weighs about 120 lbs. and I'll assume it's going at maybe 20-25 mph, not under Extremespeed. The Lucario's momentum would equal anywhere from 2400 to 3000 lbs. That momentum goes into an elastic collision, where the two objects don't stick. Mass1xVelocity1 (Lucario) + Mass2xVelocity2 (target) must = Mass1xVelocity1 + Mass2xVelocity2 afterwards. It also depends on said Pokemon getting hit. Lighter Pokemon will go faster, and larger Pokemon will go slower. We can also assume the Pokemon getting hit by this move is moving at 0 mph because it couldn't react in time. The Lucario's force would multiply greatly in which case. Sorry if I made your brain hurt from math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurorix Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I'll give a little physics lesson then. I understand that a Lucario cannot move a Probopass by crashing with Extremespeed. The Lucario would have to have enough momentum to make your opponent fly away. By "fly", I mean like maybe 20-25 mph. P(Momentum) = Mass x Velocity. A Lucario weighs about 120 lbs. and I'll assume it's going at maybe 20-25 mph, not under Extremespeed. The Lucario's momentum would equal anywhere from 2400 to 3000 lbs. That momentum goes into an elastic collision, where the two objects don't stick. Mass1xVelocity1 (Lucario) + Mass2xVelocity2 (target) must = Mass1xVelocity1 + Mass2xVelocity2 afterwards. It also depends on said Pokemon getting hit. Lighter Pokemon will go faster, and larger Pokemon will go slower. We can also assume the Pokemon getting hit by this move is moving at 0 mph because it couldn't react in time. The Lucario's force would multiply greatly in which case. Sorry if I made your brain hurt from math. Word of warning, I used Science/Math before... Needless to say, it bit me in the arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyrus the Priestess Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Looks like we've got a new TX-101... personally I'll use a bit of physics, maybe chemistry, but only to the degree of the vacuum thingy argument earlier, and like how certain materials are more flammable than others and whatnot, respectively... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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