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Happy birthday, Dark. You're now legal where I live.

I hope you've been keeping this thread warm for me Ika? Also, since you've put me in the mood! ..Kinda fitting actually.

Did someone say Irish?

Considering any of the people who argue for keeping evasion in Reborn don't have competetive battling experience most of these posts are just silly. The point Kamina is trying to make is that without evasion Crep is incredibly easy to beat, the number of times I've used Taunt, Whirlwind or Roar on his +1 Driftblim and missed is just stupid. You shouldn't have to build a team in order to counter evasion seeing as there is no logical reasoning for actually keeping it the game. If you miss the first phazing move and he keeps on setting up then you're more than likely going to miss the second. Being +2 or +4 in speed, depending on how many times he got to use Agility before baton passing it off, he's going to outspeed you anyway, so the moment you switch into Politoed to Perish Song he can bp into Mr.Mime and force you to switch out now because the clock is ticking on your Politoed but not his Mr Mime. Switch into Skarm to Whirlwind and he switches into Espeon, even if you predict him to do so at +2 evasion your Brave Bird will probably miss. Once he switches into Smeargle and Ingrain's it's basically game over at this point because you now have no chance of phazing him out anyway. I'm not just raging on about crep's BP team, it's the fact that the only reason he has a chance of beating anyone with it on the ladder is because of evasion. Sure, you could argue that using Haze is effective against the evasion and even his BP team (although without the evasion it's not exactly hard to beat), but with the lack of good Pokemon that are actually able to use it without getting rid of a vital move on your set, it's pointless. Even more so when it comes to battling a good player who doesn't use evasion and you're stuck with this pointless move on your set when you could have something very useful like Toxic or Protect. When you come up against some random Double Team, Sand Veil, Bright Powder Garchomp and you're not carrying Perish Song or Haze, there is nothing you can do except hope for a chance to hit, which at +6 is not going to happen. The reasons for getting rid of evasion in the normal tiers are very simple and make complete sense, but I'm yet to see anyone actually explain to me why we still have it here? It just gives a bad player a slight glimmer of hope that they could actually beat one of the top players because of pure luck, of course not to say that Pokemon isn't full of luck in the first place but evasion is a whole new level of it. Substitute + Sand Veil is absolutely rediculous on it's own having 25% evasion in Sand. It's so easy to abuse when you all you have to do is set up a sub and hope that they miss, which they obviously will eventually, but the thing that makes it even worse is that after they've set up the sub and you need to break the sub or you've lost the game. You're obviously going to miss and lose the game and it's simply because the other player is using a luck based ability. Removing evasion is one of the smartest choices you could make for the tiers at the moment and I'd also like to hear a worthy point that isn't just arguing for the sake of wanting Reborn's tiers to be different from other servers. Also saying that, "If PO didn't want evasion in the game they wouldn't put it in in the first place" is almost laughable dude, really. Every multiplayer game needs balance changes but seeing as there is no real way to nerf Pokemon because Gamefreak don't really give a shit, they just get banned to a higher tier. If it sounds like I'm complaining that's because I am, having evasion in the current meta in abilities or boosting moves is just absolutely rediculous and you seriously need to think it through. The people that are arguing against evasion actually know what they are talking about because they are some of the only competetive battlers on this server. Listen to them..

Really solid team, but you really need to swap Toxic over Fake Out I feel.. How much use does it actually provide you? Maybe for breaking sashes but hazards should already be doing that

First shiny was Raticate in Heart Gold, second was shiny Audino in Black within two weeks of playing each game. Lucky or what?

Happy Birthday guys, have a good one.

This is just my favourite thing ever.

Fuckin' lasers man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARAz0RXhS84

Imagine if Mael and Ryner had a fight, oh my lord.

Really solid team guys, I've played it a few times myself. I think the rain really works around it! There's not much for me to suggest aside from one set I've fallen in love with recently for Tentacruel, I'm not sure how much you've tried the Toxic stalling variant but honestly it might just work out with this team.. Tentacruel (M) @ Black Sludge Trait: Rain Dish EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spd Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Scald - Rapid Spin - Substitute - Toxic I'm fairly certain the EV's (which I see you've used too ) out speed the usual Toxic stalling Gliscor, just the ones that don't run any speed, perhaps. Once you get the burn you also wall Ferrothorn completely, not many people expect the sub so they'll go for the Leech Seed or T-wave and in rain with Black Sludge and Rain dish you're practically the same as Walrein except fast. With great typing and the max def you can easily take hits or just set up the free sub as they switch which can be infuriating for the enemy to deal with! Note that you do normally have to bank on getting the burn on types that resist Toxic, but hey, it's Scald.. You're going to get the burn. 8.5/10 - Very solid stall team with little weakness.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BIG MAN! /late

This is possibly the cutest thing I've ever seen.

Thanks for the rate Rupe! I really like the idea of putting Latias in over Terrakion because it covers two of the major threats to this team in the form of Ground attacks and powerful Water moves. After taking out scarfed Terrakion it really does make sense to scarf Chandelure, also I found it very silly that I was being out sped by Brelooms and other such things I need to set up on. Changed the ev's on Genesect, think that's a bit smarter. And lastly the Venusaur ev's are only because I like the bulk for taking those special moves just a little bit better, although I will test out the max speed!

Thanks for the rate Ryan! First with the suggestion about running a physical Genesect, I do enjoy using it (more so in Ubers) and I have it on quite number of teams. Yet I really don't think it works well with this team, the scarfed varient just out-classes it in all the things I need from Genesect in my matches with this team. Which is usually just revenge killing something hard or depending on what he has to wall it, a mini sweep. The Roar thing is pretty necessary mainly because I have othing else I would want to switch out for a Roar user and it really can be quite useful I'd found on Ninetales just for a bit of phazing, mainly against other sun. Finally the Earthquake thing has been dealth with, either in the form of Ice Beam from scarfed Genesect as a revenge check or the Latias I might be adding to the team!