I think we've all been arguing about something misunderstood. Capitalism is the notion that things can be (largely) privately owned, and ownership is bought with money. Communism stands opposed to that, which is structured upon common ownership on means of production, and absence of money, state (and social classes, but that one isn't so pronounced today as in the Ancien Régime) We in this thread are most of the time nagging about structural problems related to the economic systems which work on the concept of Capitalism (like Free Market, for example). The arguments most of us are making (myself included) have been mainly blaming Capitalism for the woes of the economic systems we use based upon them. It's like blaming the concept of ball games for baseball to be boring (PURELY HYPOTHETICAL). As such, this thread is kinda mixing up what two separate threads should be about: one about the problems of the economic systems, and one about whether we should change the very foundations of private ownership and trade it for a system based on collective ownership. Or perhaps, maybe find a middle way. We should make this clear distinction in order to get anywhere. That way, arguments stated will be less confusing and more accurate.