Kamina

i think we both might have a gift to see the future O; i think SUMMER will be next!

omg are you psychic?!!?!!?!?!?!? i see into the future and see summer posting next!

: o im getting better at this ; P go SUMMER!

+1 you predicted correctly! I predict summer!

NO personwithbanana

no mael e_e i will never win

No Mael >:c

No.... Mael

Nooooooooooo Mael?

Nope. Mael?

sylveon

by blizzard i hope you meant starcraft 2! Hope you do enjoy your stay and that picture is from Mushishi which is one of the anime i do hope to watch after finals e_e

haha no you go to reborn server after you download Pokemon online. you than team build and do not have to worry about iv breeding and ev training dx. http://www.pokemonreborn.com/league/rules.html should give better instructions

hi welcome! i like emotional stories as well and codegeass ftw! hope you enjoy your stay. isn't it risky to ride a moltres you might get burnt!

Off the top of my head i cannot really find much threats to your team except maybe opposing talonflames. As long as you keep thundorus and azumarill at a high hp it should not be much of a problem. As for walls this team counters almost all of them dx though quagsire might pose a slight problem since all of your pokemon rely on boost from sd/bd/np but if you get hazards up I'm sure you should be able to 2 hit ko it with all the pokemon you have. all in all nice team! Edit: give blazakin 4 def hp instead of hp in the unlikely event in which you miss 2 high jump kicks in a row. You will still survive with 1 hp (if no stealth rocks damage) and less stealth rock damage and better against prioirity moves which is generally physical in nature.

Yah Mamoswine can take out my defensive core but with easy prediction it should not be too hard to stop. Mamoswine will not superpower a gliscor or a florguess because it is not effective against either. So you switch to rotom-w who will out-speed mamoswine and tank any move that is not superpower and than hit back with a hydropump. Mega lucario with same max speed and beneficial speed nature is a problem so i am thinking about giving rotom a scarf to outspeed and dish out damage to it and hopefully that should patch up the weakness without causing to many problems. Of corse I will replace painsplit with trick since it is the better move with a choice scarf. Thanks for rate

Thanks for the rate i am elated that you took a liking this team. haha yah most quiver dancers can have their way with this team so it is important to save genesect and not to sack him early on. dx yah gotta make good predictions with the bird so that you will never have hazards on your side. Ahh yah sticky web Galvatula have put me in a sticky situation many times but usually with no team previews as in what reborn follows, people try to set them up immediately so I am able to bounce it back to opponent as well. Other than galvantuala, aridoes and smeargle can't hurt xatu that much and with max def neither can most variants of shuckle (those are the only sticky webbers i have ever seen). I like your suggestion with swapping Xatu with Stamie but that would leave me vulnerable to pokemon such as ferrothorn and even though i have a genesect most people will predict me to use flamethrower on them and switch out. Also starmie has to waste a turn and moveslot for rapid spin while xatu need not do either (and can, at times, force the opponent to waste a turn rapid spinning or defogging instead) though it does require a bit more skill with prediction. Empoleon does indeed have nice synergy with gliscor i guess i should have expanded upon it though. Many Electric pokemon such a jolteon run hp ice and rotom-w are also common and both of them can easily cripple the empoleon/gliscor core. Florguess and Gliscor on the other hand cannot easily be taken down unless it is with a mega gengar but even in that situation mega gengar can take out empoleon with focus blast. Still your nit pick has brought contemplation about switching florguess with blissey since mega gengar is much more common than keldeo and can pose serious threat to this team (expecially since genesects priority does not effect it). So i might try blisey instead of florguess had have wish/softboiled/shadowball/seismictoss since sometimes aromatherapy can interfere with gliscors tanking abilities (gets rid of its status which heals it).

Turnabout Introduction Like many other, when I first heard about 6th gen and all the mega Pokémon and the things they would change I was skeptical at how “competitive” Pokémon would be. After trying it out though, I could not have been any more mistaken. The end to permanent weather itself had given rise to the viability of many of the old Pokémon and the new Pokémon alike. Mega Pokémons were also a boon because they gave a new element into competitive battling as only one of them could be chosen thus adding more strategy into Pokémon. My personal favorite was the nerf to critical hits as they are now not as game changing as they have previously been. Enough tangents about the new gen xd without further ado I present my first successful team which got be placed in rank 335 (after doing all the placement matches) in Showdown Pokebank OU and rank 1 in Reborn 6th gen OU. Proof of peak Team overview Team Building When I started laddering in 6th gen in Reborn I immediately noticed the prevalence and success of stall in ladder. For a few days I started using my own stall team to see how it would do but most battles would drag out to the 200 round mark and usually I would still end up losing. I decided I needed to make an anti stall team which would also be able to compete with other non-stalling teams and the end result is the team that you see above. I Start of this team with a choice band genesect because at that time most people ran scarf or rock polish and 3 special attacks so with a band I would have the element of surprise and if someone wanted to switch there Pokémon no matter who it was (unless it was a heatran) they would take huge damage from a U-Turn. From the previous Experimentations I had done, gliscor had to be on the team because it is a very annoying Pokémon with toxic/sub/protect and also because it is a near perfect counter to aegislash (if they don’t run shadow ball) The biggest counter to gliscor is skarmory and one way to mitigate that is to get a xatu on the team. Skarm will not be able to get up hazards and cannot tank heat waves that well. [Florges] I had a physical wall now I needed a special wall that would complement gliscors weakness to ice/water and I came up with Florges. Unlike blissey, it can also hit very hard with moonblast. [Florges] This one came from rin/rukia who told me that her team had a problem with Mega-Lucario and being the friend that I am I decided to run a mega lucario in my team so that I would stop losing to her stall dx. [Florges] At first I started to use this team with ditto but after a while I could not find ditto really that useful at all and my U-turns were not that effective as I would have liked it to be so I decided to go to a more u-turn – volt switch core. [Florges] When I first tried Rotom-w I was just amazed at how well this team was able to synergize. It was “perfect”, so to speak. Well so i thought ( i was beating everyone in reborn but there were still some threats outside of reborn that this team was susceptible to) Besides not having a florges thingy i changed it up because mega gengar was becoming a problem but with sp defensive zapdoes it can tank mega gengars moves much better and switch out to lucario to finish it off. Since I now had a defogger there was no need for a magic bouncer so i got rid of xatu and replaced it with celebii as a special sweeper. Credit to void/[$g]drake for this. In depth Analysis Genesect @ Choice Band Trait: Download EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef) - U-turn - Iron Head - Extreme Speed - Flamethrower I start of this team with a powerful choice band Pokémons that is Genesect. In general, if one wants to beat a stall team a choiceed band or speced Pokémon can do the trick. In addition to it, stall also has a hard time dealing with volt-switch and U-turn cores so what better Pokémon to fit this role than genesect. I contemplated scizor but genesect has higher attack and speed and also is less predictable than scizor in that genesect can be special or physical. If I get the attack boost from download, Genesect attack stat skyrockets all the way up to the 800s and not many pokemon can brush of a stab u-turn coming from that attack stat. Iron head is for fairies and special defensive walls who think that I am running a specially offensive variant. Extreme Speed has helped me so many times and its in situations where a volcarona starts spamming quiver dance and I have nothing to stop it. At increased attack and a choice band, genesect can OK volcarona at full hp and other specially defensive sweepers. Since all of his attacks thus far are tanked by steel pokemon, the last move I have on genesect is flamethrower. Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb Trait: Poison Heal EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 Spd Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Toxic - Earthquake - Substitute - Protect I give gliscor sixteen evs in speed so that it can out speed adamant scizors who run max speed. Overall this thing is the bane of many pokemon because once it gets the opponent badly poisoned, it can spam sub and protect long enough to have the pokemon be finished by toxic. It can also easily tank many of the physical attackers of this gen notably physical blazakin, aegislash and talonflame. Earthquake is last move because steel pokemon can’t be poisoned and it’s gliscors best stab move that is also super effective against steel type Pokémon. Also with its ability and toxic orb, not only does gliscor get 1/8th of its hp back every turn but also is unable to be put into any other status which is definitely a bonus when facing stall. Zapdos @ Leftovers Trait: Pressure EVs: 248 HP / 240 SDef / 20 Spd Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Volt Switch - Heat Wave - Roost - Defog Zapdos is the special wall for this team can tank extremely well. Unlike florgess, it is not too weak to mega gengar and can also provide momentum for this team by using volt switch. It is also able to get rid of hazards by using defog. 20 speed evs to outspeed adamant breloom and 248 hp to take less damage from stealth rocks and the rest on special defence to tank. Heatwave is to hit ground pokemon that volt switch cant hit and grass pokemon which resist the electric move (like ferrothorn) Lucario (F) @ Lucarionite Trait: Justified EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Ice Punch - Close Combat - Crunch - Bullet Punch Lucario is the offensive powerhouse of the team. With adaptability all of its stab moves become supper effective and weakened pokemon easily fall to bullet punch. Max speed and jolly so that it can out speed and destroy all variants of khangaskhan who used to be a big threat to this team. Unless they are extremely bulky and or resist it, Closecombat will almost always onehitko/ 2 hit ko a pokemon. Other than that not, much else to explain, I have crunch exclusively for gengars and ice punch for landorus-t and gliscors. 4 def evs in lucario so that it can take priority moves that are usually physical a lot better. Edit: Rotom-W @ Leftovers Trait: Levitate EVs: 248 HP / 220 Def / 32 SAtk / 8 Spd Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Hydro Pump - Volt Switch - Will-O-Wisp - Pain Split Bulkier and can deal with talonflame a lot more effectively than the other sets. No longer need hp grass as i have a celebii to deal with the pesky water/ground combo. 8 speed to out speed other bulky rotoms-w and 248 hp to take less damage from stealth rocks. 32 special attack for some extra damage :]. Can tank special ice moves pretty well which gliscor and zapdos are not fond of. Pain split is on because it is its only form of reliable recovery and will 0 wisp to cripple phisical attackers. Celebi @ Leftovers Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 72 HP / 252 SAtk / 184 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Nasty Plot - Earth Power - Giga Drain - Psychic Celebi is my special sweeper for this team. The reason I chose not to get hidden power was because of the huge nerf that they were given this gen and unless its on a 4x weak pokemon it is pretty useless as stab psychic will do more than a 2 times effective hp fire on grass pokemon. Also if you are able to get of a nasty plot than even if you predict a gene switch and earth power you should still be able to one hit ko if its taken small damage. I gave it those speed evs to out speed timid lucario and mega kangaskhan before they are able to mega evolve. Also useful against mamoswine and if someone decides to run max speed heatran without scarf. Has come very handy in late game sweeps when opponents lose all of their sweepers. Very weak to mega gengar so you have to make sure you are never trapped by them by using good prediction. Conclusion This team has worked wonders and I would appreciate to see other peoples feed backs on possibly ways it improve upon it. From my experience some of the threats to this team are curselax and megagengar and in showdown the electric spider because team preview and unable to effectively get sticky webs bounced back. Thankfully all the pokemon that are affect by sticky web have access to a priority but sometimes it can be a pain. Importable old version: New Version p.s will try to make it more presentable/ fix grammar but atm not having the time (finals) Also shout out to rukia/rin because without her stall team i do not think i would have ever been able to create this team And testing out scarf rotom since it helps patch up my weakness to mega lucario and mega gengar. Shout out to void sjmistery for helping patch up problems :]

it should also be noteworthy that manaphy is already OU in smogon and they have and they have had no trouble with it. Also so is Zygrade so maybe we should also discuss if it should be moved down you OU aswell

hahaha welcome! I seen you a lot in ladder. have fun!

mega gengar instead of chandalure. Reasons: It is faster than a modest scarf and stronger and is not constrained to one move every switch in. Also Steel types which would usually be trapped and killed by chand stab fire move are already trapped by magnazone. idk about dragonite set but it seems to still being you wonders somehow in the battles i have seen you play. 4 def evs on mamoswine and I'm pretty sure it has a big brain. personally I prefer icicle spear to icicle crash but idk there kind of the same.

bonjour

I don’t understand the sticky web arguments because it’s assuming the opponent cannot defog/rapidspin/set up their own sticky web, In which case almost all bulky offensive pokemon would be considered Uber. As for rotom-w I meant if manaphy decided to only run a water and ice move than rotom-w could tank its moves dx. But yah it would be nice to see if more ubers could potentially make it to OU.

My position on this has evolved in that despite not knowing what kind of changes we will come about in the future we should still be able to make adjustments to the tier to balance it out in the here and now (as many other servers have started to do). If another drizzle mega were to show up than yah we can decide to maybe move back manaphy to uber if it does become too much of a problem but as of now it should not be as mentioned as a means to discourage talk about meta. A lot of thinking has been put into manaphy in my part and of course we can theory craft all we want but unless we actually implement it we will never know if it was actually something that was OP or something that really needed to be moved to OU. Also no one was for the banning of megas into uber except for maybe 2-3 auths who spoke out of line. I did briefly mention tail glow but did not go into munch detail. First if it does run tail-glow and rest than it only has access to Surf/Scald/Hydropump, Ice Beam, Energy ball and Hidden Power. Most will opt for the water/ice combo but is walled by water types most notably rotom. Now if it went for the water/grass combo than it is countered by dragon and grass type pokemon. If it decides to get rid of rest that it will easily be finished of by sweepers and stronger priorites of this gen. Manaphies speed is laughable compared to other sweepers in this gen and the fact that you have to have a politoed which probably holding a damp rock (which makes the longevity of politoed that much shorter) or another pokemon wasting a move slot on rain dance to allow it to be effective is just that much more of a hassle. Also mentioned in my topic was the introduction of assault vest that any offensive pokemon can hold and deal out a lot of damage to manaphy while also tanking its moves. With all this said, it could still turn out to be op when we test it but if we do not try it out than how will we ever know? Certainly moving a pokemon to OU requires a lot of thought but there comes a point where you have to actually test it out and not create subjective hypothetical situation and I believe manaphy has reached that point.

yah you have a fair point i was not aware that the move pool of most Pokemon were still indeterminate and while i cannot see anything like that happen it would be improper to assume otherwise. Still it begs the question as to why manaphy is Uber i mean just because we do not know the egg moves as of now we still have pokemon like jirachi/mew/celebii which are similar to manaphy in OU so than why not manaphy as well? Yah they were OU in the last gen so it makes sense to keep them OU in this gen till we get egg moves but in this gen manaphy is in no way superior and hence should not be uber till we find out egg moves.