pokezack101 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 First of all I've been a big fan of this game for awhile now waiting for each new episode to come out. Having just finished 10 I am very interested to learn more. So I decide to use my account I made awhile ago and find out about 10.5 and the development process and I would like to voice my concerns about this. Why are did you guys decided to do a 6th gen update when were only like 2 months in. Due to the rumours regarding that there will be a new region and most likely new pokemon wouldn't it be ideal to do it then. Second concern this could take literally a long time the thing is with group contribution. Let's say that the guy who is doing the scripts for fixing the abilities before 6th gen just leaves one day what are we to do then? We can't make any progress until another person who does the exact same function which could take a long time. So 10.5 gets delayed and the new content update doesn't come in a long time. Now on to my final point in regards to Amethyst you'd mentioned the reason why you're doing this is to save time and without this episode 11 coming out in January or February so this is just guessing but let's say that 10.5 gets wrapped up and ready to go by January and episode 11 takes a month to be made(I only think this as I theorize that 11 will be a short episode as it's only going to consist of the Meteor Elias ambush and going to Iolia valley and facing Luna) So it wouldn't take that long to be made so it gets released at February that doesn't save time at all being released in the same time frame that you'd estimated to save time it doesn't make a lot of sense. Oh, wait one more thing with these 6th gen pokemon won't you have to redesign the whole game to fit 6th pokemon into grass/trainers rosters unless that is planned for a future update. So in closing Ame if you read this and are working on episode 11 while the community works on 6th I ask of you if you finish it before 10.5 gets released to get 11 out and not be limitized by what I think the long time I think 10.5 to come out thanks for you're time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekwst3 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 there doing a 6th gen because they are pokemon and people want them. since this is a community if the person/s helping with the script decide to leave, we will be sad but will understand. she can add the new pokemon to the grass, but knowing her she will keep the pokemon secret so people will have to hunt for the ones they really want. and don't worry when she thinks the releases are ready she will release them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted December 5, 2013 Administrators Share Posted December 5, 2013 Why are did you guys decided to do a 6th gen update when were only like 2 months in. Due to the rumours regarding that there will be a new region and most likely new pokemon wouldn't it be ideal to do it then. I haven't seen any solid or even remotely convincing evidence that there will be a new region any time soon. There will be Volcanion, Dianicie and Hoopa and there'll be Hoenn remakes and a Pokemon Z in a year or two or three, but there's no point in dillydallying with these. As for why to include it anyway, it's very important to me as a player that the games I play be up to date, otherwise I feel like I'm taking a step back. I know others will feel that way, and I don't want my players to feel like they're going on a dated project. ...despite the fact that the graphics are 3rd gen style. Let's just ignore that. Also, there are already other Essentials projects that have 6th gen. Second concern this could take literally a long time the thing is with group contribution. Let's say that the guy who is doing the scripts for fixing the abilities before 6th gen just leaves one day what are we to do then? We can't make any progress until another person who does the exact same function which could take a long time. Firstly in regards to that, the guy who's been working on those is a friend of mine who codes a bit every night. He's often at a loss for projects, so I gave him one. Even if he does get bored of it, I'll at least know and can make decisions based on that. That said, I have no intention of delaying the 10.5 release for the sake of scripts. Those things have been incomplete thus far and it won't kill anyone if they continue to be incomplete. Those items will probably be an on-going task. Now on to my final point in regards to Amethyst you'd mentioned the reason why you're doing this is to save time and without this episode 11 coming out in January or February so this is just guessing but let's say that 10.5 gets wrapped up and ready to go by January and episode 11 takes a month to be made. So it wouldn't take that long to be made so it gets released at February that doesn't save time at all being released in the same time frame that you'd estimated to save time it doesn't make a lot of sense. That just means that it's being released in a normal time frame. If I weren't having people from the community help, it would take me much longer to implement this stuff. Oh, wait one more thing with these 6th gen pokemon won't you have to redesign the whole game to fit 6th pokemon into grass/trainers rosters unless that is planned for a future update. That's planned for 10.5, but yes. That's the exciting part actually, because I'm going to redo all available pokemon (and TMs) and take a more systematic approach. This will probably mean I'm not going to make the silly mistake of putting Abra and Magby into the early game, crowding out other lower-tier options; there are a few things I need to do over anyway. Also, I'm very excited for 6th gen's introduction of alternate tall grass, which will allow me to visually spruce up some areas, and non-grass encounters which I intend to include as well. Also on the list for this update is removing 1-2% encounter rates because those just aren't fun for anyone; most of those Pokemon will probably be modeled into events. That's the fun part, though. Right now we're still in the drudge of sprites. So in closing Ame if you read this and are working on episode 11 while the community works on 6th I ask of you if you finish it before 10.5 gets released to get 11 out and not be limitized by what I think the long time I think 10.5 to come out thanks for you're time! I would love to work on Episode 11 while everyone is working on 10.5 but there are certain things only I can do for 10.5. Now, I am doing my best to mitigate those; I have a text document outlining exactly what others can do and what I need to do, and I try to donate as much work as I can to the forum so that I can focus on the things I must do. Presently, that means I'm a sprite factory. In a week I'll probably be doing corrections. After that? Well, then I can probably start working on the stuff I described above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Yay Ame, doing too much work to make everyone happy. We do appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphagar Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Yay Ame, doing too much work to make everyone happy. We do appreciate it. ^THIS X10000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokezack101 Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share Posted December 31, 2013 Hey I'm back just a question for Amethyst. Are you done with all the sprite/defining stuff as I haven't seen any new topics in the development forum recently. So are you on to the re balancing part by adding in the 6th gen pokemon. If so how goes progress how much longer do you think this will take? After this is done is 10.5 all done. After you reassured me I am looking forward to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 There's still shiny and footprint spiriting open, but I believe all things have been defined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted December 31, 2013 Administrators Share Posted December 31, 2013 Hey I'm back just a question for Amethyst. Are you done with all the sprite/defining stuff as I haven't seen any new topics in the development forum recently. So are you on to the re balancing part by adding in the 6th gen pokemon. If so how goes progress how much longer do you think this will take? After this is done is 10.5 all done. After you reassured me I am looking forward to it! Most of what there is to do now is scripting work (new evolution methods/new forms), testing, and like you say, going through adding and redoing stuff. I have indeed started with that now. As far as progress... I'm going through each area in the order they're accessed in the story, and I'm only at Obsidia atm. So, it could be a while yet. We'll see. There's still shiny and footprint spiriting open, but I believe all things have been defined. I'm not going to hold up the release on behalf of shinies or footprints- those can be put in whenever, really. However that other Icon one I posted does need to be done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphagar Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Ame...I just want to say you ROCK!! <3<3 You work so hard for us and I appreciate it. :3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokezack101 Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Hello again so it's been a week since I've last been here and I was just wondering Ame where are you in terms of game locations/episode releases are you now? Just curious. Also you said that weaker pokemon are going to be replacing the list of magby abra and others. Is it possible to get a list of all the guys you're removing? You said that these were be replaced with weaker pokemon what about for save files that have already gotten magby abra etc will we find those weaker pokemon in the better pokemons updated spots or is there another way you will tackle this? Also how big will the roster changes for gym leaders be? A little or big. I want to know! Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted January 7, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 7, 2014 Currently in Beryl. The obtainable list is being updated as I go on, so you can note if things have been changed there. I haven't kept a separate note of it. It's also a WIP so that obtainable list will be changing still as well. I'm trying to be sure that all newly obtainable Pokemon are still obtainable for older files. As for leaders, that'll be in a separate pass after I know exactly what Pokemon are available at each gym. I don't intend to change too much, except for a few cases, such as Serra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainWaber Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Ame...I just want to say you ROCK!! <3<3 You work so hard for us and I appreciate it. :3 HAIL AMETHYST!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conquest Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 More stuff to hunt, should be fun. Also that feel when no Froakie Event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokezack101 Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) So where are you now just saw a lot of obtainable pokemon got updated so I think you made a bit of decent progress so I just wondering. Now to bring up a complaint about the audio files get changed around. So with a team meteor base I noticed you changed the music from the fast dubstep tempo music to the team rocket remix I . This I have no issue with but my main problem is the new team meteor theme the nice theme back from episode nine if you don't remember it here it is http://tinyurl.com/lpbtrjg. You replaced it with that fast dupstep tempo music from there. As a player I think this doesn't really fit their goals and stuff so I was wondering you can change it back or something. Also what was that name of the actual song I linked or did you make or glitchxcity did thanks! Edited January 9, 2014 by pokezack101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted January 9, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 9, 2014 It's definitely a glitch song, and one of her older ones, but I can't remember which off the top of my head. I've actually wanted to replace the old Sinister Uprising for a while though because parts of it really sound too happy for them, I think. So I made the old team-meteor-base song the actual team-meteor song and had a new base song. I'm also not 100% happy with the feel of the new one either but I do think it's an improvement since really only the beginning of the old one sounds 'Sinister' at all. The new one is at least consistently edgy. Others' thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Ikaru Posted January 9, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 9, 2014 ^ the removed theme in question, literally the last thing on her Remixes playlist so it's definitely an old one. ^ The new themes that replace the first one, and/or have been reordered- for anyone unsure of what tracks they actually are.I like that first one, but then again I like anything given enough time; I think the new themes definitely do fit their intended use a lot better. I imagine if it'd been this way from the start it wouldn't have even been a question. Personally I think I'll get used to it. If you wanted, you could probably fit in the first thing elsewhere for the sake of keeping it in somewhere. Worst case scenario, rename it and keep it in the jukebox so people can use it if they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So are the Elemental monkeys the replacement for Magby, Elekid, and etc? Also I see you got rid of Starly, unless my memory is failing me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conquest Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So are the Elemental monkeys the replacement for Magby, Elekid, and etc? Also I see you got rid of Starly, unless my memory is failing me. Its not, I got the Starly in my box as proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokezack101 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) I guess you guys are right the music that I was defending does give off a to happy vibe, but it also gives off a mysterious vibe which I think is important to keep considering it's one of meteor's main themes. One question are all 6th gen mechanics are in like new abilities etc or will those have to be scripted in at a later date? Also was looking at your obtainable list in progress and I saw that you've r̶e̶m̶o̶v̶e̶d̶ I mean nerfed shroomish a few days ago so that means you're are in ep7 or farther now am I correct really would like to know Edited January 12, 2014 by pokezack101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted January 12, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 12, 2014 You're quite observant. I only have Chrysolia and Aventurine left to do. After that I'll be going back and redoing trainer battles, and then a few visual things, and then it'll be set (provided I get a few last-minute necessities scripted in, specifically support for new alternate forms + new evo methods) As for 6th gen stuff, it's hit or miss. Mechanics- I know for sure that electric types can't be paralyzed, and I think the ghost type is now immune to traps. T he grass type immunity to powder, however, is incomplete, but probably is correctly applied to Effect Spore. Catch EXP and nick-name length haven't gotten done yet because they've been a lower priority than some other stuff. Type chart stuff isn't even a question; all done. Fairies4days Mega support is added, but we don't have sprites (yet!) Moves and abilities exist but may not have any effect (aside from damage) with the exception of Tough Claws which I happened to run across the code to implement. So random, right? I chose to prioritise finishing up older abilities instead of making new ones but there's a lot that was done for this release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uprox Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I wanted to ask if there was a ballpark time for 10.5's release? I'm relativly new here to reborn, and have no clue how quickly the updates and new episodes come out. Was just wondering if it was something to expect within a month or two, or like 6-8 months, or just "when its done." I've been enjoying the game a lot sofar and been happily suprised with how much work was put into making this game a challenge. I look foreward to new things reguardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greed_Demon Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I wanted to ask if there was a ballpark time for 10.5's release? I'm relativly new here to reborn, and have no clue how quickly the updates and new episodes come out. Was just wondering if it was something to expect within a month or two, or like 6-8 months, or just "when its done." I've been enjoying the game a lot sofar and been happily suprised with how much work was put into making this game a challenge. I look foreward to new things reguardless. From what I can tell no. I think its better to be surprised then to have a deadline so until then play pokemon x or y like everyone else. Im still waiting for that damn pokemon bank though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokezack101 Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 Hey Ame, sorry to sound impatient but do you know if 10.5 is coming soon really want to play it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Soon. I don't think she has much left to do. But asking all the time doesn't make it go faster :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted January 19, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 19, 2014 never. it's never coming out ever. especially not in like forty minutes when it finishes uploading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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