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Rosalina needs a lot of nerfs for sure. Can't be going 60-40 or better against the entire Smash roster with the exception of two other fighters (Sheik and ZSS, who will probably be getting nerfed themselves either this patch or the next).

Also, if you haven't already, I recommend checking out this site:

http://www.eventhubs.com/

It's got a lot of data and other cool stuff about Smash Bros.

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I tend to be disappointed by a lot of Nintendo's picks for music and stuff.

I want this or a remix version of the Collos theme from Golden Sun. It would fit in well with any FE stage

Or even the iconic opening theme for the whole series.

Megaman needs the BN2 opening theme

Sonic needs Casino Night and Mystic Cave Zones (A Ghost's Pumpkin Soup would be great if they did a Luigi's haunted mansion stage again)

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SOME NEW PATCH NOTES ARE APPROUCHING!!!

patch 1.0.4 just released today! Though nintendo nor Namco want to give us details. I will make a list of what changed when I get home in a few minutes. Remember that when you download the new patch, your replays will no longer work.

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Starting with the top of the Character selection screen...

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Mario

+ Mario is now heavier.

- Mario's Up Tilt now does less damage.

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Dr. Mario

- Fair has less knock back.

- Dair hits less.

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Luigi

+ Luigi's Forward Air, Side Smash, and Jab Combo are all more powerful now!

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Peach

- Peach's aerials stale differently now.

- Peach's Foot Stool now launches people upwards causing her to no longer infinite combo people.

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Bowser

- If Bowser Bowsercides, he now dies first. This now means that Bowser players will now only want to Bowsercide to even early game odds or secure an overwhelming Victory.

- Bowser's Dropkick of Fuck Ya aka his side smash now does slightly less damage. But still has all of it's launch power... Fuck ya!

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The Koopa Kids

- Down Throw does less damage.

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Yoshi

- Yoshi's Recovery Glitch is now removed.-

- Dash attack is easier to punish.

- Can't do Down B to edge shenanigans anymore.

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Wario

- Wario's exploit-y Vectory mechanic, aka Wectoring, is now gone.

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Rosalina and Luma

+ When Rosalina calls Luma back, it moves much faster than before.

- Lumas now take 13 Seconds to respawn.

- Luma Shot now has less range.

- Nair does less damage now

- Her Down Smash and Grabs now have more lag, making her easier to punish.

I am adding more as we speak...

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Continuing on...

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Mr. Game and Watch

- Pikachu's Thunder attack no longer fully fills G&W's Bucket up.

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Link

+ Forward Smash hits the opponent more accurately.

+ Link's Hookshot or grab as more range.

- Bomb Canceling or using bombs to cancel landing lag is gone. This goes for Toon Link as well.

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Zelda

+ Up Tilt does more damage... thats it? that is all the buffs you are giving her nintendo? w/e...

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Shiek

- Fair deals less damage.

- Up Smash, Up Air, and Bouncing Fish all have less knock back now.

- Up Air hits the opponent less.

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Ganondorf

+ Has less landing Lag on his Nair

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Zero Suit Samus

+ Side B and Side Smash hit properly now.

+ Down Smash is safer on block.

+ Made Zamus's Up B easier to connect to from Down Throw.

= Down Throw has new properties now.

= Nair has some new properties now.

- Zair has less range now, making it less viable as a poke and recovery.

- Paralyzer shot is weaker when not fully charged. It also has less recovery when not fully charged.

- Has more landing lag from Air Dodges.

- She can no longer Infinite Robin.

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Palutena

+ She can act faster after performing her Up Tilt and Down Tilt

More to come...

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Wrapping up the franchises that became a thing in the 80s...

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Pac-Man

+ Pac's Fire Hydrant has more durability now.

- His Fire Hydrant has more durablity now.

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Megaman

+ Leaf Barrier has less ending lag now.

- Rush Cancel is out.

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Marth

+ Marth's throws are easier to combo out of now.

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Ike

+ Nair, Fair, Bair, and Dair all have less ending lag, Making him more of a threat in the air.

+ Fair has less landing lag, making Ike better for Rushing Down.

+ Ike's Bair has better everything.

+ Ike's Jab Combo actually works now.

+ Ike no longer gives a shit about anyone anymore.

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Robin

+ Isn't glitched when Foot Stooled.

- Lost Thoron Double Jump Exploit.

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Kirby

+ Up air now has an extended hit box, it can now hit behind him.

+ Has a faster Run speed now.

+ Every attack involving his Feet hurt more and have larger hitboxes.

- Kirbicide suffers from the same bowsercide nerfs. (see above)

- Nair and Fair have more landing lag.

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King Dedede

= Down Throw launches people upwards now.

- Fair and Gordos have less damage output now.

- Gordos are easier to reflect.

- Dededecides have the same nerf as Bowser and Kirby.

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Metaknight

+ Nair, Forward Throw, Back Throw, and Dimensional Cape are all stronger now.

+ Bair is better in every way possible.

- Fair no longer Spikes.

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Little Mac

+ KO Punch has more KO power... you read that right.

- His Jab Combo does slightly less damage

- His Haymaker Jolt is slower and as less range, weakening his recovery and confusing noobs on how to get past projectile spam. (use the back dash scrubs)

I will finish the remaining Patch notes tomorrow...
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I know I haven't gotten to Shulk yet... But lemme tell you roo. His everything got buffed.

Most buffed:

Ike

Shulk

Kirby

Metaknight

Most Nerfed:

Rosalina

I would put Shiek and Zero Suit in the list, but they mostly got tweaks rather than nerfs.

I am also shocked that DK and Diddy weren't changed in anyway... Diddy is OP and DK could use a buff or two.

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Dacus is out and vectoring may have been replaced by DI...

Dunno how to feel about that. DI in brawl was one of the reasons why I stopped liking Brawl.

Vectoring in this game has made stocks take as long to take down as DI in Brawl has, though. It's to the point where they've had to reduce it to 2 stocks to compensate for the slowdown, although vectoring does at least have more variance than DI does.

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I have updated my music list once again, here it is.

Super Smash Bros.

Original

  • Menu
  • Classic: Map
  • Classic: Stage Clear
  • Master Hand
  • Master Core
  • Classic: Final Results (Success)
  • Classic: Final Results (Failure)
  • All-Star Rest Area
  • Smash Tour
  • Target Blast
  • Multi-Man Smash
  • Practice Zone
  • Battlefield
  • Final Destination
  • Final Destination v2
  • Master Orders
  • Crazy Orders
  • Trophy Gallery
  • Trophy Rush
  • Trophy Shop

Returning from Brawl:

  • Menu
  • Boss Battles Theme
  • Subspace Emissary: Boss Battle 1 (Duon/Galleom)
  • Subspace Emissary: Boss Battle 2 (Tabuu)
  • Battlefield
  • Final Destination
  • Cruel Brawl (listed in this game as "Cruel Smash")
  • Practice Zone
  • Home-Run Contest
  • Trophy Gallery

Returning from Melee:

  • Menu
  • Menu 2
  • Battlefield (listed as "Menu [Melee] ver. 2")
  • Final Destination
  • How to Play
  • Trophy Theme

Returning from SSB64:

  • Credits (Brawl Arrangement)
  • Credits


Super Mario

Returning from Brawl:

  • SMB3 Airship Theme
  • SMB3/SMW Castle/Boss Theme
  • SMB Ground Theme (Koji Kondo arr.)
  • SMB Ground Theme v2
  • SMB Underwater Theme
  • Mario Bros.
  • Mario Tennis/Mario Golf
  • SMW Title/Ending
  • New Super Mario Bros. Ground Theme
  • Luigi's Mansion

Returning from Melee:

  • Princess Peach's Castle
  • Rainbow Cruise
  • Super Mario Bros. 3
  • Athletic (Super Mario World)
  • Dr. Mario

Super Mario Bros. / The Lost Levels / Super Mario Bros. 3

  • Ground Theme / Underground Theme
  • The Lost Levels Medley

Super Mario World

  • Boss Theme

Super Mario 64 / Sunshine

  • Bob-Omb Battlefield
  • Delfino Plaza
  • Ricco Harbor

Galaxy / Galaxy 2

  • Good Egg Galaxy
  • Good Egg Galaxy (Arranged)
  • Sky Station Galaxy
  • Main Theme (Galaxy)
  • Main Theme Galaxy 2)
  • Gusty Garden Galaxy / Credits
  • Comet Observatory
  • Bowser Jr.'s Fort
  • Fated Battle

3D Land / World

  • Ground / Beach Theme (3D Land)
  • Super Bell Hill
  • Great Tower Showdown 2
  • Champion's Road (remix of Gusty Garden Galaxy)

New Super Mario Bros.

  • Athletic / Ground Theme (NSMB 2)
  • Ground Theme (NSMB 2) (Original)
  • Ground Theme (NSMB U)

Mario and Luigi:

  • Try, Try Again
  • They're Pretty Tough, Should We Be Careful!?
  • The Grand Finale (Bowser's Inside Story)


Mario Kart

Returning from Brawl:

  • Mario Circuit
  • Luigi Raceway
  • Waluigi Pinball

Double Dash!!:

  • Rainbow Road

Wii:

  • Mushroom Gorge

Super Circuit / DS / MK7:

  • Rainbow Road Medley

MK7:

  • Toad Circuit

MK8:

  • Mario Kart Stadium
  • Mario Circuit
  • Cloudtop Cruise
  • Rainbow Road


Yoshi

Returning from Brawl:

  • Obstacle Course (all seasons)
  • DS Wildlands
  • Yoshi's Story Ending

Returning from Melee:

  • Yoshi's Story

Returning from SSB64:

  • Yoshi's Island

Super Mario World 2:

  • Yoshi's Island + Intro

Yoshi's New Island:

  • Main Theme
  • Bandit Valley

Yoshi's Woolly World:

  • Yoshi's Woolly World (Original)
  • Yoshi's Woolly World


Donkey Kong

Returning from Brawl:

  • 25m
  • Donkey Kong
  • Donkey Kong Opening
  • Jungle Level
  • Jungle Level v2
  • Bramble Blast (referred to here as "Stickerbrush Symphony")
  • Battle for Storm Hill
  • King K Rool / Ship Deck 2

Returning from Melee:

  • Kongo Jungle (DK Rap)

Returning from SSB64:

  • Kongo Jungle

Donkey Kong Country:

  • Jungle Level (Jazz)
  • Jungle Level (Tribal)

Donkey Kong Country Returns / Tropical Freeze:

  • Jungle Level
  • Main Theme (Vocals)
  • Gear Getaway (Original)
  • Gear Getaway
  • Mangrove Cove
  • Mole Patrol
  • Swinger Flinger


The Legend of Zelda

Returning From Brawl:

  • Great Temple
  • Hyrule Field (Ocarina of Time)
  • Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
  • The Legend of Zelda Medley (Title)
  • The Dark World
  • Hidden Mountain / Forest
  • Tal Tal Heights
  • Song of Storms
  • Ocarina of Time Medley

Returning from Melee:

  • Temple
  • Great Bay (Legend of Zelda Main Theme)

Legend of Zelda:

  • Main Theme / Dungeon

Ocarina of Time:

  • Gerudo Valley (Original)
  • Gerudo Valley
  • Saria's Song / Mid-boss Theme

The Wind Waker:

  • The Great Sea / Menu Select

Twilight Princess:

  • Main Theme
  • Midna's Lament

Spirit Tracks:

  • Full Steam Ahead

Skyward Sword:

  • Ballad of the Goddess (Original)
  • Ballad of the Goddess / Ghirahim

A Link Between Worlds:

  • Lorule Field
  • Yuga Battle - Hyrule Castle


Pokemon

Returning from Brawl:

  • Dialga/Palkia Battle at Spear Pillar
  • Team Galactic Battle
  • Red/Blue Main Theme
  • Pokemon Center

Returning from Melee:

  • Pokemon Stadium
  • Poke Floats

Diamond / Pearl / Platinum:

  • Battle! Champion Cynthia

Black / White series:

  • N's Castle Medley
  • Route 10
  • Route 23

X / Y:

  • Battle! Wild Pokemon
  • Battle! Trainer
  • Battle! Team Flare
  • Battle! Champion Diantha
  • Victory Road


F-Zero


Returning from Brawl:

  • Mute City
  • Fire Field
  • White Land
  • Devil's Call in Your Heart
  • Climb Up! And Get The Last Chance!
  • Dream Chaser
  • Planet Colors
  • Shotgun Kiss
  • Brain Cleaner

Returning from Melee:

  • Mute City
  • Big Blue

F-Zero:

  • Mute City (Original)
  • Mute City
  • Red Canyon


Star Fox

Returning from Brawl:

  • Credits (Star Fox)
  • Main Theme (Star Fox 64)
  • Corneria
  • Star Wolf
  • Area 6
  • Area 6 v2
  • Space Armada

Returning from Melee:

  • Corneria
  • Venom / SF64 Main Theme

Star Fox 64:

  • Star Wolf / Sector Z

Assault:

  • Space Battleground
  • Break Through the Ice

Command:

  • Area 6 / Missile Slipstream


Kirby

Returning from Brawl:

  • O2 Battle
  • Boss Series Medley
  • Revenge of Meta Knight
  • Legendary Air Ride Machine
  • Gourmet Race
  • Butter Building

Returning from Melee:

  • Green Greens

Dream Land:

  • Green Greens v2

Adventure / Nightmare in Dream Land / The Amazing Mirror:

  • Butter Building / Kirby's Adventure Medley
  • Forest / Nature Area

Super Star:

  • King Dedede's Theme
  • The Great Cave Offensive

Air Ride:

  • Celestial Valley

Return to Dream Land / Triple Deluxe:

  • The Adventure Begins
  • Through the Forest
  • Floral Fields


Metroid

Returning from Brawl:

  • Vs. Ridley
  • Main Theme / Brinstar (Metroid)
  • Ending (Metroid)
  • Ending (Super Metroid)
  • Sector 1
  • Norfair

Returning from Melee:

  • Brinstar
  • Brinstar Depths

Metroid / Zero Mission:

  • Title
  • Escape!

Prime series / Prime Hunters:

  • Vs. Meta Ridley
  • Hunters (Multiplayer)
  • Psycho Bits

Other M:

  • Burning Lava Fish
  • Nemesis Ridley
  • Lockdown Battle Theme


Fire Emblem

Returning from Brawl:

  • Attack!
  • With Mila's Divine Protection
  • Shadow Dragon Medley
  • Fire Emblem Theme
  • Preparing to Advance
  • Winning Road - Roy's Hope

Returning from Melee:

  • Fire Emblem

Shadow Dragon / Genealogy of the Holy War / Thracia 776 / The Sacred Stones:

  • Meeting Medley

Gaiden:

  • Fight 1

Mystery of the Emblem:

  • Mystery of the Emblem Medley

Genealogy of the Holy War / The Binding Blade:

  • Coliseum Theme

Path of Radiance / Radiant Dawn:

  • Crimean Army Sortie
  • Against the Black Knight
  • Victory is Near
  • The Devoted
  • Time of Action
  • Eternal Bond / Ike's Theme (unconfirmed, was in Brawl)

Awakening:

  • Id~Purpose*
  • Conquest -Ablaze-
  • Duty -Ablaze-

Everything from Path of Radiance, Radiant Dawn and Awakening are the original songs. Everything else is an arrangement.

* - shortened greatly in 3DS version, full track expected on WiiU version.


Mother

Returning from Brawl:

  • Snowman
  • Mother 3 Love Theme
  • Porky's Theme (Mother 3)
  • Unfounded Revenge / Smashing Song of Praise

Returning from Melee:

  • Mother
  • Polyanna (I Believe In You) / Mother 2

Mother:

  • Magicant / Eight Melodies*

EarthBound:

  • Smiles and Tears*
  • Onett / Winters

* = These were previously arranged for Brawl but were removed from the game. They were remixed for this game.


Kid Icarus

Returning from Brawl:

  • Underworld
  • Skyworld
  • Title

Kid Icarus:

  • Kid Icarus Medley

Uprising:

  • Wrath of the Reset Bomb (original)
  • Wrath of the Reset Bomb
  • Dark Pit
  • Dark Pit's Theme
  • Magnus's Theme
  • Destroyed Skyworld
  • Hades's Infernal Theme
  • Boss Fight 1
  • Space Pirate Ship
  • Thunder Cloud Temple
  • Lightning Chariot Base


Animal Crossing

Returning from Brawl:

  • 2:00 a.m.
  • Go K.K. Rider!
  • The Roost
  • Title
  • Town Hall / Tom Nook's Store

Animal Crossing / Wild World:

  • K.K. Cruisin'
  • Plaza / Title

New Leaf:

  • Bubblegum K.K.
  • Tour
  • Kapp'n's Song
  • Outdoors at 7 p.m. (Sunny) / Main Street
  • Tortimer Island Medley


WarioWorld

Returning from Brawl:

  • WarioWare, inc.
  • WarioWare, inc. Medley
  • Ashley's Song
  • Ashley's Song (JP)

WarioLand: Shake It!

  • Ruins

Game & Wario:

  • Gamer


Xenoblade

Xenoblade Chronicles:

  • Gaur Plain
  • Gaur Plain (Night)
  • Xenoblade Medley
  • You Will Know Our Names
  • Mechanical Rhythm
  • Time to Fight!
  • One Who Stands In Our Way
  • Engage The Enemy


Pikmin

Returning from Brawl:

  • Stage Clear / Title
  • World Map (Pikmin 2)
  • Environmental Noises

Pikmin / 2 / 3:

  • Pikmin Main Theme
  • Stage Select
  • Forest of Hope (Pikmin 2)
  • Garden of Hope (Pikmin 3)


Nintendo Retro

Returning from Brawl:

  • Flat Zone 2
  • 3D Hot Rally Title
  • Tunnel Scene (X)
  • Tetris Type A
  • Tetris Type B
  • Lip's Theme
  • Clu Clu Land
  • Gyromite
  • Ice Climber
  • Shin Onigashima
  • Famicom Medley

Returning from Melee:

  • Mach Rider
  • Flat Zone

Punch-Out!!

  • Jogging / Countdown
  • Minor Circuit*
  • World Circuit
  • Main Theme (Punch-Out!! - Wii Version)

Duck Hunt:

  • Duck Hunt Medley

Wrecking Crew:

  • Wrecking Crew Medley
  • Wrecking Crew Retro Medley

Balloon Fight:

  • Balloon Trip
  • Balloon Fight Medley

The Mysterious Murasame Castle:

  • Mysterious Murasame Castle Medley

NES Remix 2:

  • Main Theme

* - This is a new arrangement, unlike the Minor Circuit theme on 3DS which takes the music directly from Punch-Out!! for the Wii.


Newer Nintendo

Returning from Brawl:

  • Battle Scene / Final Boss (Golden Sun)
  • Excite Truck
  • PictoChat

Golden Sun:

  • Overworld Theme (Dark Dawn)

Baten Kaitos Origins:

  • The Valedictory Elegy

Wii Sports:

  • Title Theme
  • Opening Theme
  • Wii Sports Medley
  • Wuhu Island Theme (Wii Sports Resort)
  • Wuhu Island Theme v2

WiiFit:

  • WiiFit Plus Medley
  • Mischievous Mole-way
  • Rhythm Boxing
  • Super Hoop
  • Skateboard Arena

Nintendogs:

  • Bath Time Theme
  • Bath Time Theme (Vocal Mix)

Pilotwings:

  • Light Plane
  • Light Plane (Vocal Mix)
  • Turbo Jet

Brain Age:

  • Brain Age
  • Brain Age 2 Theme

Soma Bringer:

  • Attack

Glory of Heracles:

  • Glory of Heracles

Dillon's Rolling Western:

  • Main Theme

Style-Savvy Trendsetters:

  • Main Theme
  • Pop Fashion Show

The Wonderful 101:

  • Jergingha - Planet Destruction Form

AR Games (3DS):

  • Dragon Battle

Nintendo Land:

  • Main Theme

Captain Rainbow:

  • Tomorrow's Passion

Art Academy:

  • Swan Lesson

Jam With the Band:

  • Performance


PAC-MAN and Namco Friends

Pac-Man:

  • PAC-MAN
  • PAC-MAN (Club Mix)
  • PAC-MAN's Park / Block Town

Bravoman:

  • Bravoman Retro Medley

Libble Rabble:

  • Libble Rabble Retro Medley

Metro-Cross:

  • Metro-Cross Retro Medley

Namco Arcade:

  • 80's Retro Medley 1
  • 80's Retro Medley 2

Yokai Dochuki:

  • Retro Medley

Sky Kid:

  • Sky Kid Retro Medley


Sonic The Hedgehog

Returning from Brawl:

  • Angel Island Zone

Sonic The Hedgehog:

  • Green Hill Zone

Sonic Adventure Series:

  • Open Your Heart
  • Live & Learn
  • Escape From the City

Lost World:

  • Windy Hill - Zone 1
  • Wonder World

Other:

  • HIS WORLD (Instrumental)
  • Knight of the Wind
  • Reach for the Stars
  • Right There, Ride On
  • Rooftop Run
  • Seven Rings In Hand
  • Sonic Heroes


Mega Man

Mega Man:

  • Mega Man Retro Medley
  • Cut Man Stage

Mega Man 2:

  • Mega Man 2 Medley
  • Mega Man 2 Retro Medley
  • Air Man Stage
  • Quick Man Stage

Mega Man 3:

  • Mega Man 3 Retro Medley
  • Spark Man Stage
  • Shadow Man Stage

Mega Man 4:

  • Mega Man 4-6 Retro Medley


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Shoot. I was really hoping to see "Don't Speak Her Name!" from FE:A in the Wii U version. Oh well...

Allegedly it was one of the tracks omitted before it shipped. There were rumors that "Don't you put any stock in this destiny hogwash!" and one arrangement from Fire Emblem (Blazing Sword) shared the same fate, but don't hold me to that. We might be able to find some others when people really get cracking into the game's code.

EDIT: One alleged lost track from the WiiU so far...that being Bowser Land from Mario Party 2. Since the posted track is identical to the original, I don't know how credible that really is.

For fun, here is a list of tracks that were omitted from Brawl.

  • Super Mario RPG - Beware the Forest's Mushrooms (Forest Maze) - Arrangement
  • Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time - Boss Battle - Original
  • Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Ballad of the Wind Fish - Arrangement
  • Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragons and the BoL - The Chosen Ones (Final Chapter) - Arrangement
  • Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - Move Out! - Original
  • Star Fox Command - The Loner, Falco Lombardi - Original
  • Mother series - Hippie Battle Theme Medley - Original
  • Mother - Eight Melodies - Arrangement
  • EarthBound - Smiles and Tears - Arrangement
  • EarthBound - Because I Love You - Arrangement
  • Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty - Main Theme - Original
  • NES Sports - NES Sports Medley - Original
  • Stunt Race FX - Stunt Race FX Medley - Arrangement

Click here for a playlist on YouTube

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Why did they cut out those Earthbound songs? Dastards!

They sound like something I'd sooner fall asleep to than a track to which I could smash someone's face in on New Pork City. :P

Besides, two of them appeared in Smash Bros. 3DS anyway.

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