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Hasn't anyone realized that Elite Four Agatha was a Poison user?


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She's ~officially~ a Ghost-type trainer, but because of the scarcity of ghosts back then, ended up also using poison types. Just like Lance's team as Champion aren't all Dragon, but they are all Flying.

idk why they even bother making certain type specialists if they can't fill a team with Pokemon of that type.

What's weirder to me though is how Sabrina has a Venomoth.

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They are really dumb with their typing (especially gen 1). If I remember correctly Flint's team from Gen 4 was a random assortment of types.

Last gym leader Volkner's also got Ambipom on his team, half of his team werent even electric type, and Candice had a Medicham before Platinum remedied their situations~

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Well everyone in the Elite 4 of Kanto has at least one Pokemon that isn't their 'assigned' type:

Lorelei

assigned Type: Ice

Pokemon out of the line: Slowbro - Water/Psychic

Also all of her Pokemon ar water-type except 1 - Jynx (Ice/Psychic)

Bruno:

assigned Type: Fighting

Pokemon out of the line: 2x Onix - Rock/Ground

Agatha:

assigned Type: Ghost

Pokemon out of the line: Arbok (Poison) + Golbat (Poison/Flying)

but yeah - every of her Pokemon shares the poison-type... but that is due to the fact that the only ghosts available in Gen.1 happened to have the poison type

Lance:

assigned Type: Dragon

Pokemon out of the line: Gyarados (Water/Flying) and Aerodactyl (Rock/Flying)

Lance suffers from the same thing Agatha suffered - lack of available Pokemon of his type. The only Dragons in Gen.1 are the Dratini-line. and battling 5 Dragonairs/Dragonite would be... boring.

and sorry Ice cream Sand witch - not ALL of his Pokemon are flying types... Dragonair is just Dragon and he got 2 of them.

However in Gen2 you are correct... there his Dragonairs evolved into Dragonite and he also gets a Charizard... thus making him effectiveley have an all flying-team.

So as you see: the assigned types come from their most USED Types... although Agatha uses 5 Poison and only 3 Ghost types... But if we take into consideration that the only Gen1 ghosts happed to have the poisontype as secondary typing... and IGNORE THAT FACT: she would use 3 Ghost and 2 Poison types, that making Ghost her most used type.

also I think they assigned her Ghost despite that fact because there was already a Poison GYM!

This also applies to Lance and Bruno of Gen2 ... where there was already a Flying-Gym but ALSO a Dragon Gym and Lance was an established member already and changing his typing would have been confusing.

and there was a fighting gym for Bruno...

This makes Gen2 (Johto) the only region where 2 types appear twice as a challange - a Gym and Elite 4 / Champ

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I'm pretty sure the Dev's thought of this before when they were making Agatha (maybe one of them was drunk jk)

Agatha = Old Lady (Grandma) < you know those stereotypes where your grannies tell scary spooky stories about ghost and stuff I'm thinking that were they got their inspiration (you never know)


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They are really dumb with their typing (especially gen 1). If I remember correctly Flint's team from Gen 4 was a random assortment of types.

I think it was because Gen 4 had a really scarce amount of Fire types - and they had to use Pokemon that were capable of using Fire type moves.

But then again, Drifblim didn't make any sense at all in my books

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Well, Flint's team could be excused with the lack of new Fire types for Gen IV, but they gave him a Rapidash, and Steelix isn't Gen IV either.

Maybe they went with some weird theme thing, for example Drifblim being based on a hot air balloon? "Lopunny is hot, right?" /shot

Ghastly's line are the only Ghost Pokémon existing in Gen I, so Agatha didn't really have a lot to choose from in that aspect. Then, though, you have Gen II, where they gave us Misdreavus, but decided that Morty wouldn't get one. shrugs

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ghost pokemon are supposed to be scary so the other pokemon like golbat and arbok looked scary enough to make that team.in fact agatha looks scary as well,so it maces a nice combination

about lance he chooses dragon looking pokemon in addition to his dragon types

as for lorelei ice is commonly associated with water type.in addition i think slowbro is her ace

as for bruno he caught an onix in the anime so it could be for that reason.

as for the gen 4 combinations i newer understood those combinations

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I think that the Gen 1 Elite 4 aren't just basing their team off types, but themes as well.

Agatha's theme was death, hence her using ghost and poison types, the types most closely associated with death. Also her being the eldest means she's closer to death and has to come to terms with dying soon moreso than the others. It's actually pretty genius.

With Bruno it's probably strength, something fighting and rock types sort of embody.

Lance I suspect is "heaven" or "ruler" reflected by the "sacred"reputation and majesty of dragon type and many of them being flying which is associated with the sky and how the sky extends over all in the case of "ruler".

Lorelei I'm not too sure, Ice might just be ice in this case. half her team seems part water so it might have something to do with a relationship between those two.

I actually find themeing with types more interesting than just mono-typing for the sake of adherence.

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and sorry Ice cream Sand witch - not ALL of his Pokemon are flying types... Dragonair is just Dragon and he got 2 of them.

However in Gen2 you are correct... there his Dragonairs evolved into Dragonite and he also gets a Charizard... thus making him effectiveley have an all flying-team.

That's why I said his Champion team was all Flying. Champion team being his team in GSCHGSS, where he's the Champion of the Indigo League.

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Lorelei I'm not too sure, Ice might just be ice in this case. half her team seems part water so it might have something to do with a relationship between those two.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorelei#Original_folklore_and_the_creation_of_the_modern_myth

I believe they've taken the Siren story as the origin for her name, at least if I remember it correctly. In any case, there's association with water moreso than Ice as far as her name goes.

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I really don't get why Game Freak felt the need to make Elite 4 members use "monotypes" for types with so little pokemon. Up until Gen 4, each Elite 4 had either at least one pokemon that didn't fit with their specialty, or 2 of the same Pokemon.

In GSC, Karen had a Vileploom and a Gengar on her team of Dark types(I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet).

In RSE, Phoebe had to use like 2 Banettes and 2 Dusclops, Glacia had to use 2 Glalies and 2 Sealeos(which became 2 Glalies and 2 Froslasses in ORAS for some reason) and Drake used 2 Flygons.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorelei#Original_folklore_and_the_creation_of_the_modern_myth

I believe they've taken the Siren story as the origin for her name, at least if I remember it correctly. In any case, there's association with water moreso than Ice as far as her name goes.

Ah I didn't siren was the basis for her name. Ice is just frozen water after all so that could very well be it. Nice find.

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In GSC, Karen had a Vileploom and a Gengar on her team of Dark types(I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet).

Gengar, I can understand to an extent but I really don't know why they gave her a Vileplume. Sneasel would've fitted too imo (but Sneasel in Gen 2 sorta sucked)

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Gengar, I can understand to an extent but I really don't know why they gave her a Vileplume. Sneasel would've fitted too imo (but Sneasel in Gen 2 sorta sucked)

Vileplume is a dark icky pokemon based on a creepy yucky flower so yeah I imagine it represents the darkness in nature or something. This is just a shot in the dark (pun intended).

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On the topic of false (or dual) type labelling I would like to point out Koga's gym. In gen 1 games most of the gym trainers have psychic types and those that actually have poison ones also have ground types. Koga is the only trainer in his gym that has only poison types.

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