NickCrash

About your vote on Candy, I really haven't made note of it. Here's what I have noted That's what I wrote when I gave Amine what had happened so far (direct c+p from my note). You may go back for reference for this one.

@andracass You are indirectly or directly asserting intellectual dominance in every single post, with me as the subject of the comparison. That's patronization. You may decide to interpret my words as patronizing or cocky, but the intention is not changed. I am asking you to read a bit better, because you've obviously misunderstod some things. I know you are stubborn, but in case you still wish to scumread, I suggest you read what I say, and not ignore them. I'll admit I'm a bit proud of myself. I've already found 2 mafia (Paul would be the 3rd, Corso the 4th - fookin' read), and I've been asking town for info, given that's the way the uninformed majority may reach a consensus and beat this game. You got 1 thing right. I am dismissing your accusation. It's obvious you didn't read what I wrote. You even admitted in your previous comment. Had you done, and done carefully, you would have understood what I meant what I said "I found 2 mafia" or look at the role list. Or why I'm voting for Corso when Paul is definite to die. I never asked people to protect Paul, for you to accuse me of protecting him. Btw how can I not feel amuzed when I read this "I think I found who the last mafia is" and you direct it at me? The argument (a bit simplified) is this "Hey, this person is playing well. He seems to be town. Nah he's mafia. Let's vote him" Then you come with the (exaggerated, if I may) point that I'm trying to prove I'm town. I'll have you provide those explicit comments I made before D4 that you thought were suspicious enough and would, by your experience (of which I'm sure you have a lot, and I mean this unironically), that they are indicative of a mafia trying to appear towny. Because, you know, I could simply be town, and this is a Town-V-Town. To me, it just seems you have already formed an opinion and are grasping at straws in order to find fragments of comments that would suit your narrative. As mentioned above, that's called an a-priori theory, and is ignoring everything that might debunk it. If you're going to accuse me of "linguistic tricks" and in the same comment doubt my understanding of the English language, I'm going to have problems understanding your point of view. I was certainly not paying too much attention to wordplay. I'm using facts. Not emotion. Get those two separated. That mention of "we" is a bit over-over-overreading. You should know better than anyone that votes can be used as a method of applying pressure. Take a step back and re-evaluate the position. That's what I did. When I find myself focusing too much on something, I take my time to evaluate things from a more spherical perspective. You accused me of changing my strategy there, but I don't know where you wish to go with that. Let's do it straightforward How do you evaluate this statement "DIVE IS JUNKO"

I think I said so before. Usually I expect that when someone is targeted for a roleblock, regardless of role, they receive a message. The usual messages are sth like those "Someone tried to roleblock you", "You were roleblocked" I didn't get a message of sorts, so I thought I wasn't targeted. From previous experience, one may receive such a message even when they don't have a night action to prevent from doing. Therefore, when Cass claimed that her trap would only catch those able to do something, I had to correct her, based on my experience, and current role. It was on N1 btw, and the conversation happened on D2.

I'm sorry. I cannot work with someone who ignores 80% of what I say because they don't suit their a-priori opinions. In terms of solid contributions for the town win, I've pinpointed 2 mafia already, and am trying to find the rest. I have provided more than enough to answer your questions.

You might find a post above, solely dedicated to you. You will need only scroll 60degrees on your mouse, or click 15 times on the bar to the right. Having fun aside, I don't see how that would help you. You won't accept anything I say. It's true that I'm not confirmed, but that's a bit unfair to be honest.

Mate, that's exactly why I'm putting your name on the table. Your sheepish behavior is not something I'm expecting of you, and given your previous work in other games, in which you proved quite the analytical machine, I am inclined to doubt that you just got lazy. Hence, I'm also suggesting you as a suspect #2. In turn, you bring a suspect #2 of your own, which could work as a deflection, and thus I can't help but keep my suspicion on you. CWAC means to contribute without actually contributing. I also view it as re-iterating info already given, but presenting it in such a way that it seems like it's new.

I could start claiming I'm mafia, if that satisfies you. You didn't read what I wrote, and it's quite obvious. Also, for the sake of clarity, and because I don't enjoy having words shoved into my mouth (or keyboard), I don't really have a habit as that one you enjoy imagining. The only case I made it clear I am town, is when my eye caught Junko. Read post above for reference. The instance on D2 that I "attacked" you was driven by two reasons 1. You tried to paint me as a target out of the blue, and kept that idea after I said I might have a non-visiting role 2. Your numbers were wrong. 2a. That could be because of a wrong estimation of the data or an attempt from mafia to manipulate the crowd. 2b. To be honest with you, I thought you might have been mafia (at least initially), until you got verified by Lia. Now you return with an attack, yet don't have the arguments to back it up. And while we do have scums that are much probable to vote, the only excuse you got to initiate such an attack was my vote on Corso. As I explained before, and you should read that, we don't need to find 1 mafia. We need to find all of them. I'd wait till you edit that comment of yours to say more. It might seem premature, but those seem to be your first thoughts on the subject and I'd rather have a more honest conversation with you, rather than wait for you to polish those statements, by adding things that can't be further from the truth.

Allow me to evaluate this from an outsider's point of view, because right now the situation is bizzare. I don't mind that per se, but I prefer logic to stubborness and paranoia. I'll provide a tl;dr in case somebody gets lost in my thoughts or simply "ain't got enough time fo dat" About Cass She definitely enjoys taking the safe route. D2 votes for Candy, D3 I can't remember if she voted at all. Now D4, and she votes for me, because I dared vote another than the most voted person. Needless to say, the vote itself does not change things, but at least mine has some justification behind it, being that Corso's acting sheepish and following the classic mafia strategy of CWAC and blending in. Cass is trying to pressure me into voting for Paul, by voting for me. Yes, I too am confused. It's obviously a declaration of scumread, which is a plus, given she never provided the list we've asked before, whereas others did. However, it's not a logical step to take. Suspicion on me has began on D4 with Eviora's post claiming that I'm just too towny for her liking. Honestly I don't know how to respond to that. Yet Cass decides to grab from that and without providing solid info, to do some questioning. And when politely asked to re-consider by reading what's been said and done so far, the patronizing begins. Have I not told them that one of the deaths today is most probably a Junko? Is it too hard to evaluate such a statement? I wonder... She believes that continuous posting will increase the pressure. It's a really interesting subject to study. Well, she's wrong and has locked her sights on me (meaning she can't bother reading the rest of the players), and I suppose that's on me to change it. ehh About Eviora She's definitely trying to scumhunt, yet the absence of posts from most players makes that hard to do. Cass and Lia have proven each other, meaning she only has to suspect the person that talks the most, and that's moi. She just doesn't have the evidence to back that suspicion up. We both know why you suspect me dear. It's just that the most basic principle of mafia is to let the bafoon do the talking, so they can hide in the shadows. About Paul He definitely exhibits the scummiest of behaviors this time around. Votes in hopes of saving fellow mafia from a lynch, provides ambiguous reasoning behind his posts and reads We all know why Paul is up there on the stand. The question is, what happens with his associates. By the numbers, there's another mafia lurking. It's on us to find out who that is. By focusing completely on Paul, we're allowing them the opportunity to hide, or even blend in properly. Bussing is also something we should look for. About Corso I've made my case earlier on him. I believe him to be Paul's associate in crime. About Bok He did blunder by claiming Lia was suspicious. Yet his general behavior seems to be townie, even if he doesn't really write much. I think he prefers to act. About Sheep ... We lynch him whenever we have no idea what to do. That's not a solid strategy. Then again, now mafia tends to leave him alive whenever they can. They either think he doesn't have a strong enough role, or he's mafia. About Lykos General townread in my opinion. He doesn't write as much as he usually does, but that's not something bad per se. His general demeanor even since D1 indicates a town-alignment, given his votes and reads seem not to contradict those of established townies (like myself) One could make a case for sheeping, but he usually casted his votes earlier than the rest, which rebuts that statement. Good boi (obligatory dog joke) Roles Alive tl;dr Paul and Corso are suspicious Cass is actively pushing me, leading to a Town-V-Town situation that simply clutters the thread with useless back-and-forth I like Eviora and Bok enough (for nao)

The "Mysteries" change your role's name entirely. This way the Coyote cannot find you. The fact you caught the bait to disclose the name tells me I'm right not to let you pass it on. It was an attempt to take me down with you. Pity, because you could have been saved. I'm not sure how you intended to play this, but if you have any further info to support your case, I'm afraid you'll be in a predicament. I'll let the others decide about you. They have been pinged, and can reach their own conclusions.

The name has changed, but I'm sure that's what you were looking for. Keep that vote on. It's not like it changes the fact you are a 3rd party.

You provided no reason for your vote. I'm asking for one, and you try to avoid it. If nothing else, that's what deflection looks like. At the same time I'm telling you to re-consider your decision. Given there is enough time, you might want to read a bit better before voting me. Name it as you wish, but I encourage you not to vote on random or paranoic ideas. Here, let me help you. p18:

The argument against me is paranoia from Evi's side. I'd rather have you back it up with something better. Before you do so, re-read all that has been said today. It might help you clear some things up.

Btw at first I was the Roleblocker (and his role is the Duchess, you're welcome) Now you might understand now why I was so adamant that Drakyle was indeed roleblocked. The Old Maid's role is called the Copycat. Out of fear of a possible Coyote, I will not disclose the exact naming Amber gave to my role. The rest is history.

I see people have undertaken much of the scumhunting, and honestly, without anything solid, Amber's games need to be played with caution. At the same time, you could say I have a lot in my hands at the moment. So I'm going to bypass all the chit-chat and give y'all a proper target for today. Let me tell you first 2 reasons why I'm the towniest of the sort 1) You see the dead L'Belle over there? My doing. He was a Ninja, he visited me, and I shredded him. 2) You see that Alaris over there? He's the Old Maid. I was the Old Maid yesterday and snatched his role away. So I became the bulletproof + samurai. The Mysteries worsened my role by removing the second part. Now I'm simply a bulletproof. You know, I could have kept this a secret and have you pass it down on someone else first, but now, I don't see the point in keeping you alive. [Eliminate] Alaris With your lynch, I will be proven, and town will have more to work with. It's sad that we're not going to lynch a mafia first, but I'll kill what I can @Corso @Caimie @Candy @Venus @Seal @Filthy Casual @Psychic Sheep @purplecicada @Archeric @LykosHand @Mr. Knightly @Cataline @Paul25 @Bam the 25th @Jace Stormkirk

If you can't give me money, I'm not interested. I'm turning my add block on.

Btw I received info yesterday that Wonderland has some "Mysteries", meaning roles change to the worse, based on specific events.

^Ninja'd by Digital Amber.

@Corso Let me clarify. I meant that the way Paul and Bean write, I tend to always see them as mafia. Sometimes I'm right, other times I'm wrong. But you play in a different manner, and I'm beginning to read you better. So, when one of them and you both appear scummy (to me), my "instinct" tells me to vote for you, because you seem to be a safer bet. So it's not really counter-intuitive. And to be honest, voting for Bean (and not Paul) is not particularly saving you. You are indirectly protecting him in such a manner. As for the argument in favor of Bean's lynch per se, I'll have to agree up to a point with you. The ways of weirdness vary. @andracass It was an edit, so it's only natural that you might not have noticed it. I mentioned above that you have not voted for someone, yet you urge me to vote, in fact for a very specific person. Had you been ambiguous in terms of alignment, that would be indicative of a mafia-read. However, right now it's simply peculiar. Take a chance and provide us with your very own list of scums and townies, if you please.

@andracass As I said with my lynch on Nicki, it's a matter of information. First, I want to hear what Corso has to say. The same applies for Paul. Both can be either killed today or tomorrow. I don't see how that's an argument. Second, I want to see what Corso is. We can always shoot one or the other while they sleep.

@andracass Is there a particular reason you are protecting Corso? Isn't it funny that you insist I vote when you have not?

Ok, we really need to find mafia. Our investigative members should provide info, and the support&healers will keep them safe.

That comes a bit more offensive than needed. I apologise if I came across as bossy, as that was not my intention. Then again you could be answering in such a tone to get a reaction out of me. In case it's the former though, let me explain why: You are confirmed town. Same applies for Cass. I want to know your views on the rest of us, without having to filter them about possible lies from a mafia player. It just happens that I think this sharing of lists helps town decide much better on their lynches, and make reads more accurate. I might be over-reacting here, but would it be really that terrible for one to have me as their boss? There is still time for that. I'm still entitled to my own opinion I think To me, Corso appears scummy, and I would like him to explain his views, provide a list of suspects, and the reasons behind his opinions. It's a bit sheepish to go straight for Paul, and in my opinion, we should extensively analyze all our options before we jump onto a bw and just be over with it. Paul's votes: Jumpy from Knightly to Nicki. He almost saved Nicki. Then was the 2nd vote on Candy Corso's votes: Didn't vote at all D1. He was the 3rd vote on Candy. If I could, I would hang one, shoot the other. If I'm going to change my vote, I'll first wait, as 7 people still have to vote. (Bean, Corso, Cass, Amine, Bok, Paul, Lia)

At this point I believe we can be more than safe to reveal our more solid evidence. Cass has visited another person. I think she could give us information about what role that person claims. The cop could also provide us with info if they have any. If we can eliminate 1 of the remaining mafias, then winning the game will become all the easier. Anything you care to say about that @Corso? Does this turn of events satisfy you, @Bam the 25th? I know you haven't read a lot so if you're the vig, let me tell you whom to target

I'm just glad you're not the Vigilante then, dear. You would give in to your paranoia and kill a townie just to relax. My personal scumreads are: Corso, Paul and Bean For whatever reason, I almost always tend to consider Paul and Bean as mafia. Yet, that doesn't always happen with Corso. I might as well place my vote on him [Eliminate] Corso