Alaris

Hm I don't think I follow your train of thought now. I mean, from Knightly's info, it appears that he was a de facto vanilla all this time. But there's something about that that bugs me. If he really had that ability, why not saying it right from the start? I mean, he was certainly not a threat to mafia, so the 'fear of being killed' factor wouldn't play an important part. He could have helped town with this alledged night action. This last-moment opportunistic behaviour makes me think that he might have an ability involving 3 people visiting him, but it might be bad for town. In other words, that he is mafia, desperately trying to pull one last trick. I don't even have a visiting ability, so it's not on me to decide, but in my opinion, visiting him (especially if Seal flips town) is certainly not the best course of action to follow.

In, pls make me mafia for onceee....

See? I'm totally a honest person that never lies

This should do it [Unvote] Lykoshand [Eliminate] Seal Now, please listen to something: All this questioning was because I thought we had a traitor role, and he had been recruited tonight. Let me explain. Lykos and Paul had roles that allowed them to share a chat. I passed the Old Granny role to Lykos, so he was subsequently kicked out and I gained the chat with Paul. I know their roles; they both were confirmed town. This is further confirmed by the fact that Lykos passed the Old Maid role to Paul tonight (why?). However, I now tried to make sure that Lykos wasn't affected by the mysteries, because he didn't come back to the chat. Now I'm there all by myself. I asked Paul about his old role cause I thought it was quite suspicious that he was only a vanilla given how OP some of the other roles are (mock turtle, for instance), but he has now no reason to lie. However, I don't think it may spare Lykos entirely, maybe the "traitor" part wasn't in the original role PM and it was "secret". What is sure is that something has changed in his role, and it really smells fishy to me. We can try lynch Seal today (and thus prove Candy) but I'd advise you to keep an eye on Lykos.

Let's push things a bit: [Eliminate] LykosHand

Yeah, I wonder. Haven't you noticed something odd?

Paul, since you will probably not get your old role again, is there something we should be concerned about?

Congratulations to y'all! This game has set remarkably high standards, you were great all along!

@LykosHand Thanks. Another question: anything to report tonight?

Mmmh... but if you're not the Turtle, that makes 2 cops for this game... one of you (or both) has to have some kind of handicap.

Then Filthy's innocent, as I expected. Then: @LykosHand I'm gonna ask you a very brief question: did you pass the Old Maid role to Paul? Answer Yes or No, please. Thanks. Ninja'd again. Anyway, Lykos, I'd like you to answer.

I actually believe there's more to this case than what meets the eye. I have learnt something as well. But first, I'd like Filthy to answer us. EDIT: ninja'd

Then you basically admit being mafia?

I second that. @Filthy Casual, what are you talking about?

I was expecting a 1 minute extension for max trolling xD

Double ninja'd... I gotta go, I'll check later.

Starting with the fact that, as I said earlier, neutral ≈ towny, I already stated that he has done nothing suspicious from my viewpoint. --- On another note, and back to the Vig thing —I skipped it—, I agree with Boat in that at least, they won't appear guilty on the psychologist's reports now. But I don't see how killing without being 100% sure could help town. I'd advise the Vig against performing their action tonight unless they're very sure who's mafia. --- Why didn't you wait for tomorrow to roleclaim? You know, you could have found something tonight. It's not like Cass was going to be lynched today, from the looks of it. Now you'll surely be killed by the Mafia tonight... Heh, of course...

So, it's based on vibes and sensations. Well, I can't say I share that viewpoint right now, sorry. As I said, I never consider anybody town unless confirmed ("lock town"). I never give the benefit of the doubt to anybody. Either they are neutral, or scum. However, if you wish, consider my neutral list a rough equivalent to your "town" category, i.e., people I don't suspect much.

Also, @Mazino Divergent, I can't help but notice that now you defend Andracass when she was the scummiest in your list. Why that sudden change of mind?

Well I put those two as examples (maybe not the best ones I could've picked), but I could say the same comparing your reads of Cataline to Bok. In this case, you do say they both haven't contributed and they appear in quite different positions in your scale. You're right. I will never classify anybody as town unless they're confirmed. The best position one can achieve in my reads is neutral. I guess you refer to my "looks town" on Boat and Bok. What they have said makes sense to me so far and I see nothing to suspect them. Andracass thing: bearing in mind that most people still look neutral to me, even if that was a joke, it has been one of the few things that caught my eye. --- My vote will go to Cataline because I can understand that she's busy and tired, but her first posts were too confusing. [Eliminate] Cataline

No, I am not, tbh. It's not that much of an off move from Walpurgis, it's definitely not the first time she does that being town. I might interpret Andra's jump on the BW as a joke or, rather, as a clumsy attempt to enlarge that BW. I believe it's the former though. Nothing in the first day. Today, however, I see something odd in your comments. I simply don't buy your explanations in the towniest-scummiest players. You give the same reasons (or equivalent ones) for considering a player as town and another as a scum. For example: you say Nicki didn't contribute, therefore she's town cause when she's mafia, she usually does. However, you then say that Bok seems scummy because he hasn't contributed either. You don't compare it with any other past games: you just say Bok looks scummy. How is that you're using different yardsticks? Please explain. To my eyes, it seems that you are classifying players just to your convenience with quite flimsy arguments. Could you explain that for me? I don't get it. --- Change of topic: we may have jumped to a hasty conclusion regarding N1's events. I was now re-reading the OP and there are several ways to produce a second death: 1. Hider picking the Vigilante or a Mafia. According to the OP, the Hider would die instantly. 2. Hider picking the person targeted by the Mafia. In such case, they would both die, according to the OP. 3. Vigilante shot. Although Nick's wording appears to convey that it was the Vig's job indeed, we shouldn't rule out the other possibilities. What do you think about all this? --- I'll put my little list (with no particular order): N/A: Bean -> He actually seems towny, but who knows... He's actually attempting to make good reads. Neutral: Boat -> Nothing to say here. He seems town, but there's way too little info. Bok -> Same. He looks town. Lía -> Not much to work with. I'd say there's nothing off in her comments... not yet, at least. Paul -> I find him quite hard to read. I have nothing to say on him. Nicki -> I don't have enough info yet. Moderately scummy: Cataline -> Her comments are stuffed with apparently nonchalant notes and she's not actually making reads. I could consider that as a way to divert attention. ZeroPassion -> She voted randomly on day 1, and she doesn't appear to be willing to contribute. I'd say she's trying to lay low. Andracass -> Her attitude has changed compared to the only other game I've seen her in, and she was town. That carefree jump on my BW might make me think that she wanted to exploit it further. Dive -> Explained above; I think he's trying to look towny but his list looks like a convenient shuffling of the players.

Oh, seriously? Well now that's interesting. Lía and Andracass are quite suspicious to me. Who starts a BW out of that? Because, I mean, asking the culprits to raise their hand should not have very high expectations of success... Also, I'm not sure of why Paul says Knightly was the maf kill and L'Belle was the vig. I mean, I think it's pretty clear from Nick's post that it was the other way round. So I could also see it as a way to distract us. Although admittedly, this kind of distracting is quite useless in this game, since we do not have a tracker, but it could help to frame someone. Dive, I was not being analytical cause there was nothing to analyse. When I posted that, all the previous comments looked like a bunch of random things to me. Now that people are starting to talk, things are certainly changing. I'll wait a little bit more to vote, though.

I know that, and I guarantee you can trust me.

o/

[sarcasm] Thanks, vigilante. [/sarcasm]