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yea so let just discuss ~ VIABLE <----------------- i cannot emphasize this WORD enough [Haze is rarely ever useful outside of baton pass] ways to beat it. Anyways slant had recently made a bp team and made it to top ladder pretty easily and in his rmt he already beautifully describes how it is near impossible to beat bp unless you have a counter team (with haze) or get lucky with multiple crits. Obviously getting rid of bp all together is not the best solution so if there were ways to at lest nerf chain bp that would be good. Swagger on the other hand makes the match decided by a coin flip. Unless the opponent runs a magic bouncer or a stall/semistall team than they have to be lucky enough not to hit themselves. Obviously it also has a chance of backfiring but the point is that it no longer becomes a game of skill but how lucky you become. Crits/burns also do the same thing but they are not controlled my either opponents while swagger is. [maybe even confuse ray] anyways i just want this to be a discussion about other possible viable ways to counter it making them not as OP as they appear to me or other reasons why they should be gone. please make them respectable or post will be deleted c: thanks~

toruny over!!! bazaro da winner http://challonge.com/PokemonFightclub he will get prizes soon

signups start now or you can just go to channel in reborn ;o hope to see you there

After a two-week hiatus with the website, the theme tour is finally back! What better way to bring it back with a tier made by our own members, the fight club!!? So this week we will have a fight club tourney! Most people already know what it is but for those who do not look at the following link. http://www.pokemonreborn.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=7643 You can only use the moves that are listed in the link. Ubers are allowed in this tour except for the ones that are mentioned in the above post (mewtwo/deoxys/rayquaza). FAQ Ditto is allowed Standard rules Freeze Clause Sleep Clause OHKO Clause Self KO Clause Evasion Clause Species Clause Disallow spectators [till finals] If any questions please post below or pm me The tourney will be hosted this Saturday (5/24/14) Signups 7:00pm EST and actual tourney will start @8:00pm EST Special thanks to sec for actually creating this tier and popularizing it. There will be prizes for first place *-* so JOIN!!!!!! Or else

i don't think stealth rocks are as common in doubles or triples so there is no need for a rapid spinner (atlest from the VGC's i have seen). Maybe give ninetails heatwave. Also you have no ground moves and heatrans are pretty common (scald in sun will do almost nothing) especially with eruption so i would give haxorus eq instead of poison jab. Those are my quick suggestions for now but you should do some battles with it and see how they go and what should be fixed.

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strong team xd gratz on peak. but yes team very annoying t_t If this team is played perfectly than the threats you listed are the only thing that can beat it maybe also roar heatran since espeon cannot really do much damage to it in the early stages. elated that you are retiring the team though. bp op n_n! oh i have mentioned this before but maybe an ingrain smeargle to help agaist phazers and to also make your pokemon gain additional health each turn making them more bulkier and also putting huge threats to sleep. Possibly get rid of togakiss altho that would make you weak to shedinja

chess is the skill needed ;] but yea only joke. yea i have mac o: and it work now thanks ame.

how can you take over the world if you don't know how to chess greed x] The part where i pick my starter and go to nurse joy and than game crashes n_n

yea the hoster usually also picks gl hosting the next ones

i win ! bazaro in close second brakets are here http://challonge.com/TourXXXII made form kyra so thank her she will most likely host the next 3 theme tours and for everyone who participate <3 thanksz

aight if any stragglers want to join go to channel ThemeTour XXXIII tourny start in 30 min

yea mega evolutions are allowed also i forgot to add this latter but i will say it now 1. Bipedial tailless and bipedial tailed will be combined so you can only pick 1 pokemon in that group 2. single pair of wings and Two or more paired of wings will be combined so only 1 pokemon can be choesn from those groups 3. Head and base and head and legs and serpentine bodies will be combined so only 1 pokemon from those groups 4.Head with fins and Pokémon with tentacles or a multiped body and head and arms will be combined so only 1 pokemon from those groups everything else will be same hopefully this change makes it less OU and nice guide dash

I feel as though you team is severely limited since you are not running a mega pokemon. you could go for mega scizor instead of empoleon since it can heal up and also defog and a strong priority user. if you keep empoleon you should get rid of protect and give it knock off since you already have good prediction skills and getting rid of pokemon items hurt them a lot. overall tho not to bad

In this week, all the pokemon in your team must be a different body type. What is a body type you ask? Well it is http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_by_body_style . yea mega evolutions are allowed also i forgot to add this latter but i will say it now 1. Bipedial tailless and bipedial tailed will be combined so you can only pick 1 pokemon in that group 2. single pair of wings and Two or more paired of wings will be combined so only 1 pokemon can be choesn from those groups 3. Head and base and head and legs and serpentine bodies will be combined so only 1 pokemon from those groups 4.Head with fins and Pokémon with tentacles or a multiped body and head and arms will be combined so only 1 pokemon from those groups everything else will be same hopefully this change makes it less OU and nice guide dash Standard rules No uber pokemon (reborn rules) Freeze Clause Sleep Clause OHKO Clause Self KO Clause Evasion Clause Species Clause Disallow spectators [till finals] I hope to see you all If you have any questions before hand feel free to contact me via server or make a post. This tour will also be hosted Saturday just like the last tour (4/27/14) Signups at 7:00 PM and actual tournament @ 8:00 PM Eastern time zones.

xd thanks Kyra yea you have been in many theme tours before so guess you would be a good back up il give more detail in server. as for everyone else thanks for all your suggestions. will do something similar to fight club this week.

happy 17 birthday dude <3

'_' his moves are not the best i agree but could you please rephrase what you say sec i don't think it is nice to call people sets stupid or tell people their team is bad. As for kyoger it is good to have to water moves because water spouts damage weakens as kyoger gets weaker. i do not do much uber but maybe get rid of crunch and swap it with outrage and swap fusion bolt with sleep talk so you can deal with darkrai. ALso get rid of grass knot of mewtwo and give it shadow ball to deal with aegi. maybe dragon tail instead of toxic on groudon to make opponent receive more residual damage or to stop arcues normal from sweeping you with sd extreme speed.

i don't mind if someone else wanted to host it. maybe i will start looking for a back up host in the case i wont be able to make it so thanks for advice. i guess you people can also discuss what you want next theme tour to be.

: p i am glad you all like it and thought it was fun. unfortunately i will not be able to host a theme tour this week n_n i just get message from someone to study all saturday for midterm. i extremely sorry about this but next week for sure we will have one! again my deepest apologies :#fish: :'(

um if you have lucario chances are you have lucarionite so use mega luc(sweeper)/gyradoes(dragondance/eq/waterfall/bounce)/diggersby(scarf with return [hopefullly it likes you] earthquake, wildcharge, quick attack/taloflame( also sweeper)/bisharp (stelthrocker and knock off, suckerpunch, ironhead)/ Chessnaught ( spikes/ toxic/ hammer arm/ spiky shielld) if i were allowed only that this is probably what my party would be. i think some of items you might not be able to find like choice scarf i unfortunately have also not beaten the game. hope helps

hi and welcome!

Congratz Notus is the loser which makes him the WINNNNER! he will get prizes shortly and as always thanks for everyone who participated prizes distributed shortly Brackets http://challonge.com/Suicide_Cup