Deleted User Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'm going to be completely honest, the only thing I personally know about Australian politics is that about 15 years ago all firearms were taken away. Other than that, I can't really speculate. No politician anywhere in the world is without flaws. A politician becomes a politician with the intentions of somehow controlling others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapaneseWallpaper Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'm going to be completely honest, the only thing I personally know about Australian politics is that about 15 years ago all firearms were taken away. Other than that, I can't really speculate. No politician anywhere in the world is without flaws. A politician becomes a politician with the intentions of somehow controlling others. It think the taking of firearms in australia was a very good thing. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29 ) interesting sidenote: My father was driving along Hoodle Street 35 minutes before the shooting occurred. The only thing Meme master Abbott has done is stop the boats (asylum seekers) and cut the carbon tax. He also fucked up the G20, but thats beside the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 The daily show actually did a segment on Australia's gun control/ban law. At some point in time when I have time to look, I might find it and link it here. EDIT: I was feeling productive and I really loved watching these segments. Enjoy. thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/fk7id2/gun-control---political-suicide http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/bdc1sx/australia---gun-control-s-aftermath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaradoskiller Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Let's talk about Eric Garner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 Let's talk about Eric Garner. Sure. What's the context of that famous video? All I've seen is a bunch of cops try to take him down, and one gets an arm around his neck. And the guy died. One news thing I saw about it said that choke holds aren't allowed for officers. But what was the actual cause of death? He doesn't look like the healthiest American and the cop didn't get indicted, so my suspicion isn't that it was a result of asphyxiation. So yeah, I'm being kinda tired and lazy right now, so give us a legit rundown of the facts and we can look at 'em critically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Sure. What's the context of that famous video? All I've seen is a bunch of cops try to take him down, and one gets an arm around his neck. And the guy died. One news thing I saw about it said that choke holds aren't allowed for officers. But what was the actual cause of death? He doesn't look like the healthiest American and the cop didn't get indicted, so my suspicion isn't that it was a result of asphyxiation. So yeah, I'm being kinda tired and lazy right now, so give us a legit rundown of the facts and we can look at 'em critically. If I'm correct, they were questioning him over illegal cigarettes. The situation went from questioning, to well, you know the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted December 4, 2014 Author Share Posted December 4, 2014 http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/02/us/charles-barkley-on-race/index.html?hpt=hp_t4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 This is the first comment that pops up as the most replied on a yahoo news article about how news agencies around the world are reacting to the Charles Hebdo thing. Abdallah Bulgasem Zehaf-Bibeau, the crackhead turned Jihadist spawned by the mating of a Canadian immigration official and a Libyan Muslim Jihadist, just wanted peace. He told a co-worker, “There can’t be world peace until there’s only Muslims.” Then he tried to usher in peace, the Islamic way, by opening fire near the Canadian parliament. Meanwhile in Israel a reporter interviewing Arab Muslim settlers in Jerusalem found that they too wanted peace. On their terms. “Yes we want peace,” one of them said, “but peace means no Jews.” When negotiating peace with other cultures it’s a good idea to make sure that the words you are using mean the same thing. Most Muslims and Westerners want peace. But to Westerners peace means co-existence. To Muslims, peace means the end of your existence. Ideas carry heavy cultural baggage. Peace in the West summons up images of Armistice Day, of the Christmas Truce of WW1 in which French, German and English soldiers could share meals and play soccer together. It carries with it the subversive idea that both sides realize the war isn’t worth fighting. Such a subversive idea has no place in Islam. The Jihad is at the heart of Islam. To question the holy war is to also question the faith. When war is religion then peace through setting aside war is heresy. The Western idea of peace is a wholly alien one to Islam. In Islam, peace does not come from men transcending their differences, but from destroying men who think and live differently. That is the function of the religious police of our allied “moderate Muslim” countries who seek out the practice of other religions and other ways of living in places like Saudi Arabia and suppress their practitioners. Islamic peace does not come from diversity, from accepting the existence of other nations, religions and peoples, but from unity through Islam and eliminating as many differences as possible. If Islam is the source of peace, then all that which is “not Islam” is the cause of war. Kill the Jews. Kill the Christians. Then there will be peace. The Islamic idea of peace was aptly expressed by Zehaf-Bibeau and our anonymous Jerusalem Jihadist. It is not based on a recognition of the humanity of one’s fellow man, but on a rejection of their humanity. As Mohammed curtly put it in missives to the leaders of non-Muslim countries in the region, “Aslim, Taslam.” Convert to Islam and you’ll have peace. The same message has been dispatched by Muslim leaders today to popes and presidents. It’s a message of peace on the only terms that Islam allows. Islam is the religion of peace. For there to be peace, Islam must be supreme. Within the Islamic worldview, conflict is caused by the existence of dissent. The only way to achieve peace is by forcing the submission of every human being to the correct strain of Islam. “Moderates” may agree to let Jews and Christians live as inferior second-class citizens if they submit to Muslims. “Extremists” will skip straight to raping and beheading them. And once that ugly business is done, there will be peace. Or there will be peace once the “moderates” and “extremists” have finished killing each other, once the Sunnis and Shiites have finished beheading each other, and once every single Muslim has finished slaughtering every other Muslim who in any way dissents from his understanding of Islam. That’s the brand of peace we’re seeing in Iraq and Syria today. Or the peace process between Israel and the Arab Muslims who were rebranded as “Palestinians” because it made them seem like a local flavor. Islam rejects the idea that mutual empathy should transcend conflict. Instead it believes that war should transcend humanity. Or as the Koran puts it, “Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not.” The Western tradition is biased toward the peace of co-existence. It applies the logic of armistice toward all areas of life leading to the championing of multiculturalism and immigration. Its siren song is John Lennon’s Imagine with its call for an end to borders, nations, religions and property. Its ideal of peace comes from the end of structure and separation between people. The Islamic idea of peace however affirms a structure and separation based on the Koran. It believes that there will be peace when everyone is forced to live within the strictures of Islam. And therefore there can be no genuine peace with non-Muslims who do not submit to Islam. These two incompatible notions of peace continue to collide. Imagine if French soldiers had clambered out to sing and play soccer only to be gunned down by German soldiers who had a fundamentally different idea of peace. This was actually how WW2 was shaped as the victorious side played by outdated rules while Nazi Germany, Japan and the USSR shifted to a thoroughly totalitarian mentality. Munich was a disaster because Hitler was not the Kaiser. The other side was no longer willing to play by any rules, even in diplomatic negotiations, or to accept anything short of total victory. The Allies were forced to match their enemies in a ruthless war that saw entire cities destroyed. The Nazis and Communists were the products of years of indoctrination that taught them to see opponents as less than human and peace as being obtainable only through their destruction. Japan, which had a longer history of dehumanizing outsiders, proved to be an even tougher nut to crack. Islam has a history of over a thousand years of continuously dehumanizing non-Muslims and identifying peace and their enslavement as one and the same. It is impossible to live in peace with Muslims who think that there can be no peace as long as non-Muslims continue to live independent lives. In the Muslim worldview, war happens because non-Muslims exist. War is caused by the infidel, the disbeliever and the Muslim hypocrite who does not truly commit to the practice of Islam. The Jihad purifies the world of non-Muslims; it eradicates the “moderate” Muslims who have been compromised by Western culture. It is a war of extermination against the un-Islamic. When Westerners propose peace, Muslims reject them as hypocrites for speaking of peace, but refusing to accept the only religion that can bring peace. They feel no obligation to honor any peace agreements since peace can only come from Islam and the Western rejection of Islam proves our deceitfulness and bad intentions. This dynamic is inherent in the Koran and the entire history of Islam. Islam does not obtain peace through peace, but through war. It seeks a world without conflict by killing anyone who might disagree with its totalitarian ideology. Proposing the peace of co-existence to an ideology to which peace means its own supremacy is a foolish and deranged act. Our outreach to the Muslim world does not lack for a common language, but for common ideas. Both sides may speak of peace, but for one side peace really means war. Languages are not only made up of words, but of values. It is not enough to bring a dictionary to a negotiation if the two parties are reading from different moral and ethical traditions. Just because we translate “Salaam” as peace and agree that we both want peace does not mean that we have the same idea of what peace is. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 While I cannot condone the murder of the people behind Charlie Hebdo, I also cannot condone the Islamophobic made by the publication. The alienation of Muslim-Europeans is a travesty, and something must be done to reduce discrimination towards Europe's fastest growing minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevaleresse Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Said minority has been the source of a LOT of issues in Europe, however. Most of it is not their fault but religious tension is high, which I personally don't understand since the Abrahamic religions make up most of the population and they've all got basically the same core tenets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 'A lot of the problems' A large about of conflict between Muslims and the rest of the populace in Europe stems from rampant Islamophobia. Immigrants from the Middle East face rampant discrimination and are treated as outsiders, despite many living there for well over three generations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaradoskiller Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30735673 Wow Putin, just wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevaleresse Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30735673 Wow Putin, just wow. I'm not surprised. I do question how what you do with your genitalia affects how you drive, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jory Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Well, I think it's appropriate here to use as the case of Jews v. Christians c. 1000 CE as a barometer for the current issues between (insert any religion here) and Islam. Islam, much like Christianity does, believes that there is one "true" path to a good afterlife/heaven/virgin paradise or whatever. Despite sharing many core values, Christians and Jews disagree on two primary points: 1) Christians (historically) believed Jews were responsible for the death of that one guy Jesus, and so treated them as a deicidal people and 2) that because they did not accept Jesus as the one true path to God they were heretics. A big issue with many Islamic extremists is that they cannot be reasoned with, as they are willing to die unless everyone converts to Islam or dies in their negation of said religion. Disclaimer: I am not saying all Muslims share this opinion, as I know several who do not and fully respect both their commitment to their faith and their eagerness to set themselves apart from the more extremist populace. Anyway, in the past these differences in faith led to an unbelievable amount of bloodshed that continues even to this day. I wish Muslim radicals could be reasoned with or made to understand other points of view, but much like the Westboro Baptist Church they are so set in their bass-ackwards ways that they refuse to admit that it's okay for other people to be "wrong." Today the Charlie Hebdo murderers were neutralized, and I could not be happier that those fucking loonies were carted off to Never-Never Land. They give Islam a bad name and have no place in any modern society if they are unwilling to accept the fact that yes, people do make fun of other people's beliefs and ideology. Have you EVER watched NBC and heard them talk about Fox? But you don't see Elizabeth Hasselbeck shooting up the NBC headquarters, do you? Anyone willing to resort to that form of violence over teasing is better off dead. /end drunken rant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaradoskiller Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 There's been something that has bothered me lately. It's the fact that 2,000 people in Nigeria were killed by Boko Haram, yet it has had way less coverage than the 17 people that were killed in France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 There's been something that has bothered me lately. It's the fact that 2,000 people in Nigeria were killed by Boko Haram, yet it has had way less coverage than the 17 people that were killed in France. White lives and "Freedom of Speech" > Entire villages being wiped off the map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevaleresse Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 White lives and "Freedom of Speech" > Entire villages being wiped off the map. Not everything is a race issue, man. Terrorism in a third world country gets less attention than terrorism in a first world country, that's why you see a big stink about this and not about Boko Haram. (Which we really should care more. I mean, if I recall correctly, they're the ones that attack schools and such because apparently education is evil.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Not everything is a race issue, man. Terrorism in a third world country gets less attention than terrorism in a first world country, that's why you see a big stink about this and not about Boko Haram. (Which we really should care more. I mean, if I recall correctly, they're the ones that attack schools and such because apparently education is evil.) Except literally everything can be traced back to race in some way shape or form, and its incredibly important to view things through every possible lens. It's very clear that the coverage isn't being shown because I. It doesn't aid in furthering the climate of Islamophobia in Europe. II. Audiences in both Europe and North America are incredibly unsympathetic to happenings in Africa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I actually agree with Neo in a sense here. The American Media doesn't bother covering anything about many 3rd world nations. Whether it's because of race or economic struggle, it doesn't make much sense and shows a clear ulterior motive by the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaradoskiller Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It would be good for the media to show more worldwide news from places in Africa, South America, and Asia, and give more coverage of issues like diseases, revolutions, terrorism in the 3rd world, etc. Not only will people see and have an open eye to the non-American and European world, but it can help lower racial bias in the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapaneseWallpaper Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Australia in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaradoskiller Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Maybe a bit controversial, but we should try talking about American Sniper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelly Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 glorification of a fucking pathologically lying psycho who just loved to kill so much he made up a story about killing two men that tried to carjack him. he said he'd love to kill every person holding a quran. tbh it's just bringing out the inner racist in most young white men in my area and i fucking hate it and ive never wanted to leave a movie theater that fast before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaradoskiller Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 glorification of a fucking pathologically lying psycho who just loved to kill so much he made up a story about killing two men that tried to carjack him. he said he'd love to kill every person holding a quran. tbh it's just bringing out the inner racist in most young white men in my area and i fucking hate it and ive never wanted to leave a movie theater that fast before. Not only that, but it seems to resemble propaganda than a movie about a soldier.I also found this article floating around, and that was probably the reason why I decided not to watch it at all. Enjoy: www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-america Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Haven't seen it, couldn't say. The commercials I've seen are vague as hell so w/e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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