Daniel Blackworth

I just arrived home from school ... and I arrive to this. I am actually the last random town - the Investigator and because of this, both Hypurr and Bok are lying about their role, and they're both actually either mafia and/or one is a neutral killing role (which as has been stated, is most likely to be an Arsonist due to the absence of a death from both Serial Killer and Werewolf, unless if they deliberately did not attack or the Werewolf attacked Bok). These have been my investigations for the past nights: On the first night, I investigated Lykos because he is an elusive character a lot of the time. He came up as Bodyguard, Godfather, or Arsonist. His supposedly "town supportive" role contradicts this, and I think there's a good probability he isn't town because of his hesitation to claim when we know that Kiet's Jailor claim is credible and is near impossible to fake by anyone. On the second night, I investigated Lia on Kiet's suggestion because while she had been towny, it was best to verify if it would be good/best to trust her. We all know she's the Spy, but she came up as Spy, Blackmailer, or Jailor. With Alphagar's and Lykos' vote for either of the two, I suspect that either may be allied with whom they voted with, but I still need to analyze this to have more insight.

To reflect the current vote count: Alaris [6] - cicada, Newt, Bok, Cass (2), Lia cicada [3] - Jason, Alaris, Hooky Not voting [2] - L'Belle, Astra Also, Rule #4 in the Opening Post of this game explicitly states that both players are lynched.

I. Uh, I feel like everyone's been having this misconception: The Psychic in normal games does NOT list out three people; look it up in EM and a Psychic investigates one person to find their alignment. This listing out three people is actually done by a Dreamer and in its description, "at least one of whom is mafia" is given. II. We actually have 10 townies left. Estimates: A. If the cult doesn't exist, we have 7 townies and 3 mafia. By lynching both, we have 6 townies (5 if one more dies in the next phase) and 2 mafia. B. If the cult does exist and Eric's statement is true, we have 6 town, 1 mafia, and 3 cult. By lynching both (assuming one is town, the other is maf), we have 5 town, 0/1 mafia, and 2/3 cult. [Note: If there are 0 mafia, we do win]. IMO it's not that bad a choice, though not the perfect choice. III. Mafia is essentially a game based on reads though. The existence of investigates just makes the game somewhat easier, but does not totally prevent a town from winning imo.

I think if the stabber and mafia kill were in conjunction with each other, it still does allow the doctor to stop their kills, but reasonably would guarantee one death. However, it's also possible that there are other ways to block the kill, like a Roleblocker, a Jailer, a Bulletproof, so it's not impossible to have both on the same team. But if we consider the stabber as a town role, early on since D1, it's been an assumption by everyone that the stabber must be mafia and given Eric's statement about being a stabber, it's been injected in our minds that the stabber must be mafia aligned. ===== He's Swanky Kong. ===== The Kong family argument might be farfetched, but it makes sense if we consider that most of the dead Kong and alive people (who've name claimed) are Kongs. Even my role is a Kong, so it's not hard to imagine that.

I just saw this when I reread the rules: Lynching wrong could cause damage to the town because: I. Lynching town!Nicki would allow Alaris to shoot a gun and kill another townie on top of the mafia kill. II. Lynching town!Alaris would cause the day to be wasted and a town member (who could possibly roleblock the mafia kill by activitating his ability) be lynched. Thus, the option below is an option that's open to us, especially to those who are undecided or unsure about their decision. We lynch both by ensuring that the votes/vote value on them are tied. It's not an optimal choice because: I. Lynching town!Nicki removes an investigative role from play which could help in finding out player alignments II. Lynching town!Alaris removes a mass roleblocker from play which could help stop one mafia kill from happening III. We remove a possible one town However, it's not entirely bad because: I. It guarantees at least one mafia dead. II. In the case that both are actually mafia bussing each other for town cred, we don't have to think about the possibility of this happening in the next day phases. III. In the case that a cult does exist, we are able to know if 3 players are in the cult. Alaris and Nicki are whom we immediately know of, and Cass, by extension, because if we tie the votes, but don't end up with both dead, it's possible she's culted. IV. We don't waste a day anymore if we lynch wrong and it caters to everyone's suspicions. Going by this, I am suggesting that we attempt to lynch both. As of now, there are 6 votes against Alaris (counting Cass' as 2 because she's Donkey Kong) and 3 votes against Nicki.

I can't help with development, but I'll be cheering you on and I'm looking forward to this game's progress in the coming months/years. The plot's certainly interesting and intriguing!

Poll #2: Digital Amber https://docs.google.com/forms/d/16BHC6QPPtvcuzEljSiyjzbnUlEGqmZwtqgXFJ4yXWcc/edit?usp=drivesdk

I mean, you knew Cass was going to shoot one, like I'm probably sure most of us knew, Lykos was going to be shot. Taking this into account, only you and Alaris would have been left the next day phase, so if you knew you were town and you'll know the alignment of Lykos the next day, why still investigate within Nano's trio? Also, I'm not sure why you're talking about defending one over the other given this context.

Also, to everyone, do try to read all posts. I know a lot of it are glaringly large text walls, but you might miss something that could help you in making a judgement. Just to emphasize this query to @cicada

... IMO, your claim is the same as Nicki's which is a very safe claim and can only be proven in very specific situations. Actually, this does make sense. Exactly this. It would feel odd for a cult to exist because they aren't clashing with the town at all. If the town doesn't need to eliminate the cult (if it exists), then that would mean the town and cult can win together ... which would be really weird and unbalanced imo. For this reason, I'm still convinced that a cult doesn't exist despite Eric and Lykos' statement. It feels unbalanced IMO to suddenly change the rules like that. The former (going back to their previous role) is heavily discouraged because this would break the game, especially if there were town in the cult. The latter (made one of them the cult leader) is also heavily discouraged because this is so gamebreaking that it's impossible for a cult to not win. IMO your scenarios do make sense, and I'd lynch a party host claim over a cop claim in a non-contextual sitatuation all the time. However, considering their contributions, I feel like Nicki is less trustworthy compared to Alaris (with the reasons I gave out in one of my first posts of this day). To your question, I'd rather lose the party host, but honestly, that's only a situation and we're not inserting real people and their behavior into it. IMO both are suspicious, but I think I'd prefer to go with my initial convictions for now. Also, one of them is confirmed Mafia (with Nano's info), so I don't think said situation is applicable in any case here. Just a reminder, town doesn't lose if a cult outnumbers them because "town doesn't have to eliminate the third party to win." Going by this, if a cult wins by outnumbering town, it contradicts the win condition given. Also ... one question. By process of elimination: Lykos isn't a mafia and you know you aren't mafia. Why investigate Alaris at all? I mean, even if you weren't the cop, you'd know Alaris was mafia. IMO you could have used your investigation (if it is real to better use by investigating someone else) The former situation (doctor not existing) is weird because of the existence of a stabber while the latter (culted doctor) is unlikely because it would contradict possible alignments IMO. I read the wiki and there were more Kongs than anything. How did you summarize it to 7? This also is a possibility, but idk why Alaris would do such a risky move. I feel like he's more cautious as a person, but that's just my opinion.

Before I make a statement regarding the more recent posts, I reread the entire Day 2 and here's my analysis inclusive of only said day (without taking into consideration their roles and what they said today) I remember saying last day that Amber and Alaris could have been conspiring, but that at the same time, it would be a risky move for both of them. If we assume Alaris and Amber were indeed conspiring and they were lying, this would mean that Alaris was probably recruited by the cult on N0 and Amber is a member/leader/was recruited the night after. (If the cult does exist; also they can't be mafia unless both were recruited) However, this would also mean that Nicki's statement on Alaris as Krusha is invalidated; this could also mean Alaris was Krusha, and Nicki is actually mafia and Alaris is a cult member, and they're both clashing it out. I've done this before as a mafia turned cult, so it's not impossible. Alaris voted for Nano while Nicki did not vote. Eric (confirmed mafia) voted for Jace while Amber (confirmed TP) voted the same. I feel like his suspicion on Eric is original, not counting my suspicion on him before. This is one of the reasons why I believe in Alaris because he gave out reasons why Eric is scummy. I don't know why, but I feel like she's putting emphasis on her lack of knowledge of Donkey Kong for some reason. Also, because of the timing of the post, others have said their piece on Eric and Astra, but I feel like she could have made some effort to tell why she caught them in her eye rather than simply bw on Astra. Both Alaris and Nicki voted Astra over Eric, and I find this kind of weird from an outsider's standpoint. This feels like lowkey defending Eric because she just unvotes Astra and suddenly hesitates in voting for Eric. Compared to how she immediately voted for Astra, this seems odd, like she's waiting for Eric to defend himself if she were mafia. "I guess I'll vote for him" smells like a mafia's indecisiveness. Here's Lykos first three statements about the cult (I accidentally erased the second one T_T, but it says it was something he knew from his role at the start or something close to that) Idk but he only knows the word "converted", not "cult leader". This doesn't entirely mean the cult does exist. For all we know, a Yakuza/Neighborizer exists as they use the word converted as well. Alaris voted for Eric iirc at a time where he was almost unsavable. It's suspicious that he forgot he was "still voting Astra" because it feels like he shifted his vote when he knew Eric would not be able to survive anymore. There are three important statements here. They could all be true, but at the same time, none could be true. Nicki appears at a really convenient time to vote for Eric, specifically 3 votes after Alaris voted for him. The same situation I told about Alaris can be said about Nicki's vote (giving up Eric because nothing could save him) Lykos never gave us the full explanation about his knowledge T_T ===== Conclusion: Both Alaris and Nicki had suspicious posts from the previous day and their initial vote and timing of the vote were also suspicious. It's not impossible both aren't town, but it's more likely that at least one town exists between them. Or I might be biased over Alaris' amount of contribution in comparison to Nicki's on Day 1 and 2.

I vote [Guilty]

For what reasons have you been suspecting him? Why are you believing the cop claim so easily when it can be falsified considering the investigation results stated/given? Yup, I can agree there isn't much good reason to do that, but if he can temporarily mislead the town, I think that could delay the mafia's extinction and place the attention on other less important things. There's also a possibility he just did it to troll town. I find little incentive for him to tell the truth. We have no idea how Lykos found out about a cult, but he might have been mistaken/misinterpreted it. I'm not sure. Nicki lying about her claim is objectively a bad move for mafia IMO in a normal context, but this situation makes it a *not* bad action. With Nano's information to Cass, either Alaris or Nicki is mafia, and it's simply an eventuality for either of them to be lynched. By delaying the lynch, Nicki helps her mafia mates and reduces town's power by one. How did you progress to saying that I'm town, Alaris a Mafia, and Nicki a Third Party? Yeah, I did that same research earlier and I also find it weird Kalimba is not the main leader of the tribe. However, I'm conflicted about that as the wording of the Third Party in the Opening Post and Amber's death scene in Seal's post implies there's only 1 Third Party ever. Additionally, Seal has told me when I asked him that the town doesn't need to kill the Third Party to win. Cults in regular games must be killed by town for them to win. As such, I came up with the thought that there must not be a cult in the game or if it does exist (heavily unlikely), town doesn't necessarily need to eliminate it. This clause can be seen in the winning condition of town in the opening post. Also, @Alaris, can you tell us what your role does and your actions in the past few nights?

Wait, what? As far as I remember, the Veteran is a Unique Role. This means that there can be no duplicates to the role because it would make the game unbalanced. One of you must be lying about being a veteran, and I think it's more likely you're the one lying about it, both based on who visited the veteran and died and the contributions given.

TL;DR from these interactions and taking into account their previous behavior, I think that Nicki is mafia. Additionally, I believe that a cult doesn't exist in this game.

On #2, that game was the only example. As far as I remember, you claimed to bait the actual cop. However, you've been mafia several times here and in other sites, and I don't recall you employing such a tactic in any other game. Moreover, I do think you know that it's not that good balance to have these two roles in the same game together unless there are other roles that could balance it, and I don't think that's the case. The last bolded statement sounds like you're unsure about your role character even though you apparently did some searches on the characters of Donkey Kong. Elaborate how Amber "rubbed you off the wrong way." It seems like such a general statement coming from you. I agree with the bolded statements. Also, I just realized that the wording "the unknown third party" indicates that there's only one third party. If there were more such as in the case of a cult, it would have been "a third party" or simply "third party." ==== With both of you answering my questions, here's stuff I know. 1. On night zero, I targeted Digital Amber with my ability. My action failed. This may or may not be related to his role, or the existence of other specific roles that could lead to a failed action. 2. The Cat Lady (still unsure if it's a Cat Lady because it wasn't stated, only that someone knocked on my door) tried to visit, but I didn't let them in. This means this role is still alive and active. 3. This is the win condition of town as stated in the Opening Post: "The Townsfolk/The Kong Family - The good folk, they win by killing all mafia/Kremling Krew members. This faction consists of 10 members." I've confirmed it with Seal that the Town only needs to kill the mafia, not the Third Party. This means the existence of a cult is less likely or impossible (or if it does exist, it doesn't necessarily harm the town; unlikely however). It's more likely that the Third Party is non-hostile and would not harm/can win with the town.

@cicada I have a few questions: 1. Why did you investigate Alaris last night? Also, why Amber and Cass, as well? 2. Why would you claim as Mafia at the start? That's basically suicide. Also, why would you be a Cop when we have a Psychic already who works similarly? 3. If Kalimba was the leader of said tribe, would it not be reason enough for them to be the cult leader if there really was a cult? 4. Why did you change your statement from being a role cop to just a cop? @Alaris I have some questions too: 1. What Kong are you? (The name of your character) 2. How were you notified about being stabbed? How were you notified about being healed? (Simply paraphrase) 3. What do you think Amber's role was? ===== I have some information that could help the town, but I'll reveal it after you answer these questions. Also @andracass how were you able to receive information from Nano?

Hmm, fair. Did Amber's identity register as Kalimba or not when you investigated him? Also, if this would be true, this would mean that Alaris lied about being stabbed, as well as, Amber and they conspired about it. However, what makes me doubt your claim is your voting pattern and behavior last day phase as it has been giving me scummy vibes with your bw vote on Astra and lack of constructive contribution.

I don't know why, but I find myself suspecting you more because of this post. First, you're the town aligned "role" cop, but you're just saying that Alaris is a part of the Kremling Krew, insteaf of telling us what his "role" is supposed to be. Two, you're believing a mafia's statement of all things. I remember you've deceived others as mafia too, so I don't know why you're suddenly trusting his statement, when for all we know, he lied and made up things. Third, your choices for investigations are really convenient because you don't have to tell us what the role of those two you also investigated are. Fourth, how do we know a cult exists? We only "know" that because of what Lykos and Eric said, but from what they said, I'm not convinced that it's the objective truth. For now, I think you're mafia. [Eliminate] cicada

Astra [0] - Hooky, Alaris, Cass, L'Belle, Cicada, Lykos Eric [10, total value 11]- Jason, Bok, Cass, Amber, Alaris, Lykos, Newt, Astra, Cicada, L'Belle Cicada [1] - Lia Lykos [1] - Newt, Eric Alaris [1] - Hooky These were the votes from yesterday. I'll share my thoughts in a moment.

I feel like Lia's town, as well. I think that her opinion on not voting Amine is justified. On the other hand, I don't particularly feel that Baz is town because from what I've seen, he has hardly contributed to the discussion. He may be too busy to do so, but I think he could have tried better than simply reacting to other people's posts and following a bandwagon on an inactive player. [Vote] Bazaro

Just a note to those who might not have read it, you may still sign-up anytime while the event is still ongoing.

Poll #1: Newt Good day, Reborn Mafians! Today is the opening day of the event Choose Your Roles! For the first poll of this event, the list randomizer has determined Newt to be the subject of this poll. I highly encourage you to vote on what role suits Newt best. Great thanks! P.S Please do read the guidelines and FAQs to know the regulations of voting and the what not. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EwV8GX1GFrk2Q6t34Rms5RrtQHJGz-SWpVRebieMIGA/edit?chromeless=1 You have 48 hours to vote until this poll closes.

L'Belle, Amber, Jace, and Newt all died from visiting the Veteran. This means the Veteran must be someone worth visiting (investigated, spied, and distracted). I think that this Veteran is Nicki for the following reasons: (1) Among all the players, she's the one who is most experienced in Town of Salem. (2) She has a good level of playing as mafia. It'd be best to investigate/spy her right from the start while the mafia block her from putting her ability to good use. (3) All of these players like/are associated with Nicki to a certain extent, and most often, players target those whom they know of in the early phases of a game.

I doubt killing Bean was a pre-meditated murder. Most likely, it was just a more or less random killing, and he happened to coincidentally be a doctor. Oh, I see. I thought you had a thorough interrogation and had communicated more aside from knowing his role. I would have asked if there were any particularly suspicious statements to be taken into consideration.