Kamina

first i wanna say you have a nice rmt layout . now for the serious stuff! Gliscor should have protect instead of roost because protect makes gliscor heal additional hp and you can also scout out what your opponent is doing. also since you said you had taunt as a filler i might reccomend giving it ice fang just because it can also take down flying pokes which would otherwise take no damage from earthquake. Also why do you have leftovers on lucario. chances are it will be 1 hit koed by most pokes so i propose either giving it a focus sash or fighting/dark gem. otherwise its ok team. gl with it!

7/10 way better than last one.

If I could vote, I would vote for one of the third party candidates (probably gary johnson) since in the state that I live in (illinois), it is apparent that Obama is going to take all of the seats from it. If more people start voting for third party candidates than they might finally get some media attention and not be ignored and to me that vote would be of bigger significance than promoting the two party system. The founding fathers agreed that having political parties was a bad idea and it is because it forces politicians to share the same views as their respective parties even if they do not have the people’s interest at heart. While I doubt we can end the political party system for good, if we allow more political parties equal media attention than we can at least get more representation from the people. I personally do not think Obama has done all that he could have like closing Guantanamo, stop increasing drone strikes in the middle east, stop treating Israel like it is our best ally and not legalizing marijuana which would have greatly decreased the amount of deaths from the failing drug war at home and I could list a bunch more if I had the time. However if I lived in a swing state such as Ohio, I would probably vote Obama just because Romney flip flops on just about every damn thing and I can never really tell where he stands on any issue. He seems like the person who changes position just to get more voters and not what he actually thinks about the issues but I guess that is what happens when you have a two party system.

Well if most people see a clifable they will switch to fighting poke immeadiately making clafable only able to set up 1 cosmic power max. Also phasers like skarmory are very common in higher levels of play which clafable won't even be able to dent. While you have had success useing it against a baton passing team, against high level ou team it just won't contribute to team.

clafable is not viable at all with out softboild and the set that you mentioned above is not that effective against baton passing evasion teams. clafables sp attack is not that good to start out with and it is almost impossible to get 6-6 with clafable in ou because of all the figting pokes like conculder and terrekeon and keldeo and so on. also only 2 pokemon know no guard and only one of them is in OU. requiring all teams to have one takes away from the creativity aspect of the game. no unaware pokemon is even in the ou tier. Parish song is also countered by bp team (which are the usual culprits that abuse evasion) since they can just bp to a mr mime which is sound proof. And lastly, mind reader is only learned only small group of pokemon and for most of them (with the exception of articuno) the move is a wasted slot.

hmm nice team just needs a few fixes which would make it better first make cryagonal learn recover because if you are going to make it be a wall you want to make sure it can survive as long as it can and all other weathers in bl are almost non exsistant. I also agree with ryan c that you should give mamoswine thick fat because it would make it be able to tank fire moves a lot better which is what a mono ice team critically needs. Since it would tank a lot better i might also give rid of the sash and preferably use life orb or expert belt to make it an even greater powerhouse. Vannileux should probably have hp fighting just because blizzard already covers grass types and hp fighting also covers steel types but also rock which is also a threat to mono ice teams. also dark, normal and even other ice pokemon. Also its ev spread is kinda weird for a sweeper i would just go for max speed and special attack. that way you can be annoying with sub and protect since it should out speed most bl pokes other than that nice mono ice and gl with it.

xD. first of all did you make fake logs because i never remember using a milotic ever and what was the point of substitute in the first example if you were gonna crit it. Anyways on a more serius note the the only time foresight/odersluth and miricle eye is only going to be useful is against a Pokemon that abuses evasion. Its like teaching a pokemon feint in gen four in order to counter protect. when a pokemon used protect it would do its job but in all other situations its completely useless and that is why it was like the least used move. (still is for gen five but it has a small base damage now). Anyways i already discussed haze in my other thread and teaching a ghost pokemon curse is also exclisively useful when encontering a bp team because in any other situation the person can switch out the next turn and you just made one of your poke lose half of its hp.

All i am hearing is qq if this pokemon gets implemented into ou than we will have to adjust to new playstyles. you want to know what counters a manaphy il give you it. Any pokemon with a higher base speed and can do more than half of manaphies max hp is a counter to it. Dragons and grass counter manaphy if it is the scald, energyball kind. Water pokes counter manaphy if it is the scald ice beam combo. first almost every team has atlest 1 scarfer and another pokemon that has a base speed that is higher than manaphies if you going to teach manaphy acid armor and calm mind scald and rest well than its easily going to be countered by all the people teaching their pokemon haze right? okay the thing about rotom. every time someone says that a pokemon counters manaphy you act as if manaphy will magically be able to learn 5 moves. if Manaphy gets energy ball than it is prone to grass and dragon types pokemon. It cannot learn ice beam / scold and energy ball with out giving up calm mind/tail glow which will make its attack significantly weaker or rest which would prevent it from recovering Also trials are a lot better at indicating if a pokemon is op than creating hypothetical situations.

Yah neo I can really see that you are competitive in Pokemon. I mean having 5 Pokemon of the same type is an excellent idea. Expecially since it is a hail team.

Ya I am calling your principles outdated and I have given sufficient evidence to back it up. Also I will be glad to point out that you obviously know nothing about the battling because you think gen 2 has relavence in gen 5. Now lol at the fact that you say I have no facts and figures as if I had the power to watch all the games in reborn that have to do with evasion and record them. And haze is unviable because even though dodrio was good he was never able to make it to the top like I have 3 times already. (ATM I am second place in ou ladder right now. I wonder where you are?) Also thanks for the new signature and name. I like Actually i do know how to read and il give you some examples of how you tried to relate second gen with the current metagame. "How did you ever get past Koga in G/S/C if you're complaining about evasion. It's a part of the game. Either learn to deal with it, or don't play at all." "If it takes no skill, then it should take relatively low skill to beat it. It's like the stall battles of Gen II. Yes it didn't take skills to do it, but it didn't take much skill to beat it. Once you figure out how to deal with evasion, it will never be a problem again." And even if i gave you statistics i am sure you would than say that they were made up even though really it doesn't matter how many people abuse it the fact that they do is enough to warrant a ban because it really is shitting on the meta-game. :/ and i am done with you until you can actually provide viable counters to deal with Evasion without making it shit compared to other teams

L OL did you not read a single thing that i wrote in the top about how unviable it is to have haze in OU or perfect accuracy moves for that matter? not to be critical or anything but this is what i am typically getting form your responses: I do not actually ladder my self but i feel compelled to tell other people to either adapt or leave because they do not agree with my out dated principles. Oh also when i cant actually come up with a counter to what he is saying i will just write random shit like how a gen 2 Elite four leaders and strategies has something to do with gen 5 competitive scene and how jirachi, whimsicott and a fucking muk is just as hard to counter as a poke spamming double team If you think that i have only been giving opinions than you are dead wrong. Do me a favor and scroll up and read all of my post. kthxbai.

I already mentioned in the beginning of my post how getting rid of evasion will not be a slippery slope. At most i will be able to get rid of moody but that is the only other ability that has anything to do with evasiveness. Also just because the majority of the people with reborn accounts believes that evasion is a good thing does not mean that the people who actually ladder in reborn think the same way. in fact most people who actually competitively ladder think evasion is a joke. Yes there is no perfect team but why should we give more reason for a battle be to dictated by luck. THis has been the theme of my thread the whole time. There is not perfect team and there never will be even with the expulsion of double team and minimize.

Because Clear Smog is so good at countering evasion when it never hits? Also it is not a meta game shift, only a minority of people actually choose to abuse evasion because of its unreliability. adding in pokemon to counter a specific team that is uncommon is unpractical. Also all the pokemon that can learn coil are not that good in OU. (arbok, serperior [usually run contrary] and electross) -Bulky crobat does not tank well in OU with all the hp ice -Weezing is not a good defensive wall because it lacks reliable recovery unlike other OU walls - a Murkrow used only for only haze is unfeasible - Wasting a turn on houchcrow to regain its lost defenses after superpower is also not practical - Confag has same problem as Weezing -Gengar is a special attacker and wasting one of its movepool for haze is a waste - Xatu might work but in return you will probably have to give up a move like u turn or heat wave which is vital to Xatu - Milotic how does haze go well with dragontail ? - Chand the only good ones are scarfed and locking on to haze is not a good idea especially since it is not bulky. Non Scarf chandy with haze is a wasted opportunity to set up on chancies and ferothorns. None of them are really feasible in OU. The only real hazer in OU is Politoed and making every team a rain team is ridiculous.

Actually most of the people who commented do not competitively play. (besides rupe and ryan c) Most of there arguments are theory crafted. Having a pokemon to haze for evasion only is not practical at all when team building. especially when there are not that many good pokemon in OU that learn haze in the first place.

1: If you ban minimize and double team than you have successfully implemented an evasion clause. 2. I have stated this earlier and that is that i know there are other hax but getting rid of evasion just makes it so that there is less hax in pokemon. Moves that cause flinch and/or reduce stats or crits will always be a part of the game and it is impossible to modify them so i do not worry much about them. Also if a person abuses evasion than he/she is relying on it to win. I would never use evasion because it is not a very reliable way to win but with that in mind there are a lot of people who continue to utilize it. And unless you have haze or perfect accuracy moves you must rely on luck to win. And the only viable perfect accuracy moves in OU are thunder, hurricane and aura sphere. stilll ly

Mianshoo is a physical attacker and raikou almost always carries volt absorb. But really that is all beside the point. What I am tring to get across is that evasion has little to no counters and abusing it takes no skill. I have told this many times already but most teams that abuse evasion also utilize baton pass and unless you have haze or rain with thunder/hurricane you will have to rely on luck to counter or other low base perfect accuracy moves which would never benefit you team unless you played against someone who abuses evasion.

Aura sphere is learned only by lucario and togakiss and aerial ace base power is laughable. Thunder and Hurricane in the rain and Blizzard in the snow can also counter evasion but why must they be the only options to counter it. also in lower leagues where there is no aurasphere or perma rain, how to you expect to counter?

You seem to be turning a blind eye to the people that lose from such strategies. Tell me candidly if you would really prefer to lose to someone because you kept missing their pokemon or to someone else who beat you without any hax. Also there is not skill at all if you keep spamming minimize or double team and the opponent is unable to hit the pokemon or more importantly to phaze it. There are really only two moves which counter this and that is haze and parish song and parish song is negated by baton pass teams which usually abuse evasion clause in the first place. Forcing all teams to carry haze or forcing them to win by luck is ludacris.

my starter was typhlosion so i was usually able to one shot all of his pokemon. Also i do understand that hax is part of the game but is not -what most people would agree- enjoyable at all. all i am trying to do is reduce the amount of hax in this server to make laddering more enjoyable.

Pokemon is most fun when it involves more skill and less hax as possible. Evasion is the epitome of hax in that the user relies on misses to win the game. Now i know what most of you conservative reborners are thinking " We have had this since the beginning and it is what separates us from other servers" Just because you have been using the same clauses from the start does not mean that they are without flaw. Also the argument that we will be going down a slippery slope if we implement evasion into ladder is absurd. Evasion has absolutely nothing to do with swift swim or exadrills for that matter so we will still remain distant from other servers. Now that i have countered your main talking points, I would like to have a nice discussion about evasion below. P.S. Might add some of my frustrated logs with crep in the distant future.

Seems decent but i can not understand your arceus's ev spread. Why max speed? i would instead maybe go for max def so that it can be a another defensive wall whose typing synergizes with ferrothorns weakness to fighting. Other wise nice team and gl with it

@Eternal Edge: Fixed and we will make sure no one else gets the Ghetsis Sprites @EeveeLover: we will see about that but more likely than no D:. We are extremely picky about our choices. However if you are able to get a lot better at battling and also get to know all the AO members a little bit better you will have a good shot at getting in if we do decide to recruit.

to what Hedron, also any other AO member who wants there avi changed tell me what number in http://sprites.pokecheck.org/?trainers

Hey all! I saw a lot of clans doing this so I decided it was probably about time that my clan, Alpha Omega had a thread of our own. [: The clan was created by Slant and I so our small group of friends could have a place to hang out in a back channel. Nothing really changed save for the fact that we had a name to define ourselves. Eventually people started noticing the little AO clan tag and recognized us as a quite serious, competitive clan. Rules: Be well mannered. (that is all) Be good at pokemon :[] Teh Members *-* Slant - Kamina - Rupe - Skwayz[ded :[[] - Dark Desire - Moony - Duster[kinda ded] – Reignited'Light - Jelly - Sir_bagel - Lobos- Fink - Half members (are not officially part of AO but they hang out in our clan a lot and are competitive) Void - We don’t believe in ranks and thus treat each other as mutual members of the clan. This is because we are for the most part close friends and don’t like to define each other by a “higher” or “lower” ranking. We are recruiting but you have to be really good to get in. if you wanna join post :]]

Nice team! Skwayz won't be happy though D:. Also give torkoal clear smog instead of toxic