Reignited'Light Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Landorus-TherianCheck: Kyurem-Black @ Choice Scarf Ability: Teravolt EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe Naive Nature - Ice Beam - Fusion Bolt - Outrage - Iron Head Switch in Kyurem-Black safely, and revenge kill Landorus-Therian with Ice Beam. There's not much to say about this matchup, as Ice completely destroys the Ground and Flying lion. Counter: Slowbro @ Leftovers Ability: Regenerator EVs: 248 HP / 236 Def / 24 SpD Bold Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Scald - Thunder Wave - Foul Play - Slack Off It walls Landorus-Therian all day, and can retaliate with a Scald for a 2HKO. Slowbro will break through Landorus-Therian at all times, and can make sure that annoying pest is down for good. Delphox Check: Dugtrio @ Focus Sash Ability: Arena Trap EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Reversal - Earthquake - Memento - Stone Edge Dugtrio will be able to trap Delphox and outspeed to kill with a STAB super effective Earthquake. You're really frail though, so switching in is not recommended. Counter: Houndoom @ Choice Scarf Ability: Flash Fire EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature - Fire Blast - Dark Pulse - Flamethrower - Destiny Bond Houndoom can take any hit Delphox throws at it, and hit back hard with a Dark Pulse. Flash Fire eats up Fire Blasts, the Dark typing nullifies Psychic or Psyshock, and Grass Knot does pitiful damage. and I will nominate Keldeo for OU and Barbaracle for NU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelly Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 i got the yung delphox counter Slowking @ Assault Vest Ability: Regenerator EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD Modest Nature - Fire Blast - Scald - Psyshock - Grass Knot takes anything delphox wants to throw at it. ko's back w/ scald. nomming typhlosion for nu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 OU: Mega Venusaur NU: Cradily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Void Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 you should probably add double dance lando-t to the list of sets, it isn't very popular for some reason but definitely a very threatening sweeper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickCrash Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 LANDORUS - THERIAN (aka Tiger of Death) Check: Gliscor @ Toxic Orb Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 248 HP / 128 Atk / 132 Def Impish Nature - Substitute - Protect - Earthquake - Ice Fang When in doubt, fight ground/flying with ground/flying. Gliscor is an underrated threat in the OU metagame, which has enough bulk to stop all those without a X4 effective move, slay dragons, out-stall walls, or PP stall whatever it dislikes in the opposing team. Landorus-t is just another case. If he's the fast and destroying variant, it has a small chance to deal damage if he's locked in Stone Edge. Even so, Gliscor gets more than enough HP back each turn, thanks to poison heal and good use of Sub/Protect combo, while Lando loses its PP. EQ is useless and U-turn might scratch it, while it's putting up a sub. At -1 Gliscor can 4HKO Lando, and at 0 it even has a chance to 2HKO. Lando-t cannot do anything against it, so the opponent has at some point to give you free turns. Behind the sub you can hit and weaken whatever they bring in to deal with Gliscor. Do as you please, because you might have already won. Counter: Mamoswine @ Life Orb Ability: Thick Fat EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Ice Shard - Earthquake - Knock Off - Icicle Crash The mammoth doesn't play. It can come inside, like a fully invested Stone Edge, which will do maximum 46% guaranteeing a 3HKO, but Mamo can retaliate with an icicle crash (or two) and an Ice shard to bring the tiger into oblivion. A 252/224+ variant is OHKOed and a 252/252+ one is definitely OHKOed after SR damage. Mamo's speed investment allows it to outspeed 252 spe Lando-t and hit it hard. The speedy Lando-t couldn't live to tell the tale after a single ice shard. I nominate this guy and his mega: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Tack Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) nomming jirachi for OU and Scyther for NU I'll Put up Druddigon as a delphox check, 252+ Atk Druddigon Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Delphox: 238-280 (81.7 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +1 252 SpA Delphox Psychic vs. 236 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Druddigon: 147-174 (41.5 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO for some reasons my C/P's show up black i'll also say keldeo might be a counter to lando if it hasn't been mentions, more likely a check though 252 SpA Keldeo Surf vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 354-416 (105 - 123.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 432-510 (128.1 - 151.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Keldeo Scald vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 314-372 (93.1 - 110.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO 252 SpA Keldeo Scald vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 314-372 (82.8 - 98.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 252 SpA Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 432-510 (113.9 - 134.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Keldeo Surf vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 354-416 (93.4 - 109.7%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO 252 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 193-228 (59.7 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 0 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 162-192 (50.1 - 59.4%) -- 79.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Druddigon @ Assault Vest Ability: Sheer Force EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe Adamant Nature - Dragon Claw - Sucker Punch - Fire Punch - Gunk Shot Keldeo @ Leftovers Ability: Justified EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Hydro Pump - Scald - Calm Mind - Secret Sword Edited February 28, 2015 by blasterman4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chase Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 OU - Rotom-W, Azumarill........feeling like we're letting some of these water pokemon run free out there recently NU - Feraligatr...for the same reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight_Teutonic Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 In my opinion Mega Gyarados seems to be the most dangrous in this list. If you allow it to set up a dragon dance, you're pretty much dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_H Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Nominations: MVenusaur (I know of an excellent Counter for this one.) Barbaracle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickCrash Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Jerry do you think it's possible to do 2 candidates from each tier this week? Last week was empty and this list has become quite helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Jerry do you think it's possible to do 2 candidates from each tier this week? Last week was empty and this list has become quite helpful. With the current level of activity, and the fact that it normally takes me an hour to do 1 pair, I'd say not at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Tack Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 why are people voting for barbaracle..... just use grass knot mawile.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_H Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 why are people voting for barbaracle..... just use grass knot mawile.... Well, pardon me, but Earth Power or Earthquake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Mewdeon ft Dan Punk Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 why are people voting for barbaracle..... just use grass knot mawile.... Why do people vote for anything in this thread? Perhaps they don't know about it and are seeking to learn or perhaps they want to open a discussion on it or maybe they do know about it and want to share their knowledge. I don't see a reason to stifle discussion on the merits of knowing one particular 'mon that has a strong matchup against the suggested Pokemon, especially in a game like Pokemon where a 'grass knot mawile' may not fit on every team weak to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight_Teutonic Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) why are people voting for barbaracle..... just use grass knot mawile.... BRB I'll go lobby for Keldeo to be downgraded to UU since it is easily checked by Magic Guard Sigilyph Edited March 1, 2015 by Knight_Teutonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 BRB I'll go lobby for Keldeo to be downgraded to UU since it is easily checked by Magic Guard Sigilyph Except, Barbaracle is often considered PU, and Mawile is NU. Where as Sigilyph is BL3 and Keldeo is OU. The counter of Mawile to Barbaracle (being used in NU) is far more plausible than this joking suggestion you've made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_H Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 Basically, anything that can learn Whirlwind is a check for anything else if it moves quickly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight_Teutonic Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 You've got it. It is meant to not be plausible. Only because there's one check or counter out there somewhere doesn't mean the pokémon is not broken. But that's my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 Basically, anything that can learn Whirlwind is a check for anything else if it moves quickly enough.Whirlwind and speed do not matter together as the priority of moves such as Whirlind, Road, Dragon Tail, etc. are -6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickCrash Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 You've got it. It is meant to not be plausible. Only because there's one check or counter out there somewhere doesn't mean the pokémon is not broken. But that's my opinion. This and the exact opposite can be true. A pokemon with no real counters is not necessarily broken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Tack Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 that was a semi joke and semi Knot...... Mawile @ Life Orb/Assault Vest Ability: Sheer Force EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD Modest Nature - Grass Knot - Ice Beam - Fire Blast - Focus Blast have a special mawile, it's knot the best set, but it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_H Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 You did that just for the pun, didn't you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 --WEEK 6: SPRING IS IN THE AIR-- Mega Venusaur and Feraligatr For week three we will be discussing Mega Venusaur from OU, and Feraligatr from NU Additionally, please nominate one Pokemon in OU and one Pokemon from UU to potentially discuss next week. OU:Mega Venusaur I don't even know what to call this thing. Is it a plant? An Animal? A.... planimal? Whatever you call it, it is one heck of a monster if you ask me. This thing has really good typing paired with it's thick voluptuous body it doesn't matter if it's hot or cold, it don't care at all. Not only that, but it can put you to sleep, it can sew plants into poor innocent pokemon's bodies, and it can take energy from the sun and photosynthesize or whatever them botany types call it. One things for sure, it does not go down very easilyMega Venusaur's Weapons of Choice PRAISE THE SUN Venusaur @ Venusaurite Ability: Chlorophyll EVs: 160 HP / 252 SpA / 96 Spe Modest Nature - Giga Drain - Sludge Bomb - Hidden Power [Fire] - Synthesis With maximum Special Attack, Giga Drain deals a ton of damage while simultaneously restoring a good piece of Mega Venusaur's health. Sludge Bomb hits Fire, Flying and Dragon types that often try to switch in on Giga Drain for a large amount of damage, easily 2HKOing many things like the Lati twins and Mega Charizard-Y. Hidden Power Fire provides a reliable way of damage against Steel types like Bisharp and Ferrothorn and beating Chesnaught and will 2HKO most of them. Synthesis provides valuable healing and is somewhat reliable, as offensive Venusaur is capable of threatening every Politoed, Tyranitar, Hippowdon, and Abomasnow, being a nuisance to Synthesis. NEVER SAY DIE Venusaur @ Venusaurite Ability: Chlorophyll EVs: 232 HP / 180 Def / 96 Spe Bold Nature - Giga Drain - Sludge Bomb - Synthesis - Leech Seed / Knock Off Giga Drain is Mega Venusaur's great STAB move by keeping itself healthy, especially against many threats such as Keldeo and Landorus-Therian. Sludge Bomb is a excellent STAB move that is mainly used to hit things that Giga Drain can not such as Fire, Flying and Dragon types. Hitting Fairy types super effectively is a added bonus, being able to 2HKO many Fairy types, while few can do nothing in return. Synthesis is Venusaur's "reliable" recovery if you can not recover enough with Giga Drain. However, you have to use them wisely, as you have only 8 PP for it, and it is influenced by the current weather condition. Leech Seed gives another method of recovery with Giga Drain and Synthesis, making Venusaur difficult to take down with chip damage. Knock Off is very useful to cripple many typical Venusaur switch ins, such as Gengar, Latios, and Chansey, being able to cripple Chansey taking away its Eviolite. And this weeks Lower Tier RotationNU:Feraligatr Wooooeeee. I've seen a few gators in my day, but none quite like this. An often forgotten starter, Feraligatr is known for a few things, both of which mean trouble for you. When it hits you it packs a wallop. With access to Sheer Force this thing gets a boost for almost everything it does. It also gets a plethora of enhancin type moves. It'll dance circles around you with Dragon Dance and/or Swords Dance. If this thing gets an opportunity to complete it's.... dancing ritual so to speak, it's all over fer ya!Feraligatr's Weapons of Choice BEACH BULLY Feraligatr @ Lum Berry Ability: Torrent EVs: 104 HP / 252 Atk / 152 Spe Adamant Nature - Waterfall - Aqua Jet - Ice Punch - Swords Dance This set is really powerful! The given EV spread allows you to outspeed Jolly Cacturne, while maximizing attack and adding a bit of Bulk into HP. Set up with Swords Dance, and proceed to annihilate the opponents team with Waterfall and Ice Punch, and cleaning up with Aqua Jet. CROCODILE HUNTER Feraligatr @ Life Orb Ability: Torrent EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant Nature - Dragon Dance - Waterfall - Ice Punch - Earthquake Dragon Dance gives Feraligatr a Speed boost if you prefer speed over a bit more damage. Waterfall is once again used for its STAB. Ice Punch is important coverage for Grass-types, hitting Lilligant and Vileplume for a ton of damage. Finally, Earthquake allows Feraligatr to hit Lanturn and other Water types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reignited'Light Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Mega VenusaurCheck: Latios (M) @ Life Orb Ability: Levitate EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 29 HP / 0 Atk - Draco Meteor - Psyshock - Calm Mind - Roost If Venusaur does not carry Knock Off, set up a Calm Mind and use Psyshock to OHKO Venusaur. Latios is able to take Sludge Bombs very easily with a Calm Mind boost, while retaliating with a super effective STAB move. Counter: Volcarona @ Leftovers Ability: Flame Body EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 124 Spe Bold Nature - Quiver Dance - Fiery Dance - Giga Drain - Roost Takes a Sludge Bomb fairly well, and proceeds to set up Quiver Dances all over Mega Venusaur's face. Hit it with a Fiery Dance once you get plenty of boosts! Feraligatr Check: Leafeon @ Life Orb Ability: Chlorophyll EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Swords Dance - Leaf Blade - Knock Off - SynthesisFeraligatr gets destroyed by a Life Orb super effective Leaf Blade. It outspeeds the Swords Dance set, and lives a Ice Punch from the Dragon Dance set. Leafeon wins in this matchup! Counter: Avalugg @ Leftovers Ability: Sturdy EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD Impish Nature - Rapid Spin - Recover - Avalanche - Earthquake It takes little from Feraligatr's Waterfall, even if it is boosted by Dragon Dance or Swords Dance. Avalugg can use Recover to heal off the damage done, and use Earthquake to chip away at Feraligatr's health and it faints. and Serperior for OU and Salamence for UU! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelly Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 192-227 (48.8 - 57.7%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery tbh that's hardly shrugging off and gatr can just keep boosting to get past it. anyway onto a real manly check (bc sheer force gatr has no true counters in nu): Tangela @ Eviolite | Ability: Regenerator EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA | Bold Nature Leaf Storm | Leech Seed | Sleep Powder | Knock Off even at +2 gatr cant get the ohko and tagnela just kills even the bulkiest of gatrs w/ leaf storm. +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Tangela: 231-273 (69.1 - 81.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 4 SpA Tangela Leaf Storm vs. 144 HP / 0 SpD Feraligatr: 330-390 (95.1 - 112.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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