Dragon God Goomy Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Somebody found a Banettite on Ametrine, so maybe there are some other Mega Stones lying around Reborn. I wonder where are the others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Chase Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Let's see.. Mega Lucario.... Adaptabilit-...nope....probably shouldn't count on that one. Speaking of allowing the wost megas to be obtainable early, Gallade has the worst ability EVER. Right, Ame? Right? <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Deleted User Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 In all honesty other candidates I could see being a thing soon in that case. Aerodactyl Ampharos Houndoom Abomasnow (would be fitting around Ametrine) Pidgeot Glalie Audino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dragon God Goomy Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Worst Megas.....Double Gym Leader Battle.Bring it on, Titania and Amaria. I'll ground-pound you both to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Wolfox Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 In all honesty other candidates I could see being a thing soon in that case. Aerodactyl Ampharos Houndoom Abomasnow (would be fitting around Ametrine) Pidgeot Glalie Audino Pidgeot Gotta train Bird Jesus again is seems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Qaaz Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My Bet is that there some Mega Stone only with acces of Rock Climb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Wolfox Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 My Bet is that there some Mega Stone only with acces of Rock Climb Why did you just jinx it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 AuthorReborn Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Let's see.. Speaking of allowing the wost megas to be obtainable early, Gallade has the worst ability EVER. Right, Ame? Right? <3 Gallade... hmmm... It's in OverUsed AND it gets Skill Swap, so that's a big no no. Imagine stealing something like Huge Power from one of our foes and sweeping through their entire team. In all honesty other candidates I could see being a thing soon in that case. Aerodactyl Ampharos Houndoom Abomasnow (would be fitting around Ametrine) Pidgeot Glalie Audino I don't think we'll get Glalie until post-Saphira because dat ability destroys just about any dragon (excluding a few like Kingdra). Pidgeot is quite possible. It does get Hurricane, which is annoying, but not game breaking so we'll see. Aero's main death is priority with its paper defenses. But other than that, It destroys all life around it, so I'm gonna say probably not. Audino is better without a mega, so I'm sure we'll get that mega stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dondon151 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I don't think we'll get Glalie until post-Saphira because dat ability destroys just about any dragon (excluding a few like Kingdra). Glalie's only available options that can be boosted by Refrigerate are Headbutt and Facade. Both are exactly 1.1% stronger than Ice Beam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 AuthorReborn Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Glalie's only available options that can be boosted by Refrigerate are Headbutt and Facade. Both are exactly 1.1% stronger than Ice Beam. 252+ Atk Refrigerate Mega Glalie Facade vs. 252 HP/252+ Def Multiscale Dragonite: 458 - 542 (118.7 - 140.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO Excuse me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Deleted User Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 There is plenty that can completely wall Glalie forever. Glalie while it can do what it does well, that's all it does. It's a one trick pony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dondon151 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) 252+ Atk Refrigerate Mega Glalie Facade vs. 252 HP/252+ Def Multiscale Dragonite: 458 - 542 (118.7 - 140.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO Excuse me. So first of all, that's definitely an erroneous calc. I got 230-272 (59.5 - 70.4%), which is almost exactly half of what you got. Whatever you were using, it probably forgot to factor in Multiscale. Second of all, I'm not sure if it was possible to be any more explicit in my previous post. Mega Glalie does the same amount of damage to Dragonite with Ice Beam (actually slightly less because Dragonite's spdef is higher, but that's immaterial). You said in your post that Mega Glalie's "ability destroys just about any dragon" and that's demonstrably false. As is, Mega Glalie does that regardless of Refrigerate because its only accessible moves that are boosted by Refrigerate are not stronger than its usual Ice-type STABs. Is this unclear in any way? Edited January 9, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NickCrash Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) An Ice beam from a Greninja will kill Multiscale Dragonite. Why wouldn't a refrigerate boosted return from a M-glalie with +17base power not do the same? Ice beam: base 90 powerfacade: base 70 power . with refrigerate boost 70X1.3=91 power factor in STAB from both Edited January 9, 2015 by nickcrash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dondon151 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 An Ice beam from a Greninja will kill Multiscale Dragonite. No it doesn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NickCrash Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Alright, don't take my word for it. How about these?252+ SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 144 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 359-424 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 328-385 (101.5 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252- SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 291-346 (90 - 107.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO Even being Jolly, it has a chance to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dondon151 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) You're moving the goalposts. AuthorReborn used a fully invested defensive EV spread for Dragonite when he claimed that Refrigerate Facade can OHKO Multiscale Dragonite. He also did not assume a Life Orb (obviously, because Mega Glalie can't hold a Life Orb!). Edited January 9, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 NickCrash Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Please try doing the calcs to see for yourself. You disputed my saying that Greninja can OHKO Multiscale Dragonite and THAT is where I proved you wrong. Here's for Glalie. 0+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 384-452 (118.8 - 139.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO 84+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Return vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 324-384 (100.3 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Return vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 368-434 (95.3 - 112.4%) -- 75% chance to OHKO That's even if you will never see the last set, because Dragonite will almost always have 252 EVs in speed or attack. Point stands. About Facade, with multiscale and no burn/toxic it does not OHKO said set. It does 2HKO though. 252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Facade vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 254-300 (65.8 - 77.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO With status:252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 504-594 (130.5 - 153.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO Without such EVs 252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Facade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 320-380 (99 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Qaaz Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 We have only 1 Mega Stone, no Mega Ring/Bracelete/Whatever And look what is doing here Ame! Is that some revenge for the E15 questions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 dondon151 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) Please try doing the calcs to see for yourself. You disputed my saying that Greninja can OHKO Multiscale Dragonite and THAT is where I proved you wrong. I swear to Arceus... Here I outline the key details in this exchange: I don't think we'll get Glalie until post-Saphira because dat ability destroys just about any dragon (excluding a few like Kingdra). Glalie's only available options that can be boosted by Refrigerate are Headbutt and Facade. Both are exactly 1.1% stronger than Ice Beam. The point here was that MGlalie's ability doesn't "destroy just about any dragon" any more than MGlalie already does by itself. 252+ Atk Refrigerate Mega Glalie Facade vs. 252 HP/252+ Def Multiscale Dragonite: 458 - 542 (118.7 - 140.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO Excuse me. This is already a non sequitur to my previous post because it doesn't disprove, nor does it even address, anything that I said. But it was wrong regardless, so I refuted it. An Ice beam from a Greninja will kill Multiscale Dragonite. Why wouldn't a refrigerate boosted return from a M-glalie with +17base power not do the same? Ice beam: base 90 power facade: base 70 power . with refrigerate boost 70X1.3=91 power factor in STAB from both Even worse, this is a non sequitur to AuthorReborn's non sequitur, because you are talking on different wavelengths! AuthorReborn's point was, look, MGlalie is so strong that it OHKOs even a fully invested +def nature Multiscale Dragonite with an unremarkable move. This happened to be incorrect. Given the context of this conversation, how in the hell was I supposed to know that you were talking about a Life Orb Protean Greninja attacking a not-fully-invested Multiscale Dragonite? Please try doing the calcs to see for yourself. You disputed my saying that Greninja can OHKO Multiscale Dragonite and THAT is where I proved you wrong. Here's for Glalie. [Return vs. Dragonite calcs] That's even if you will never see the last set, because Dragonite will almost always have 252 EVs in speed or attack. Point stands. Glalie can't yet learn Return because I'm pretty sure the TM is unavailable in-game, and the first listed set on Smogon for Dragonite runs neither 252 atk nor 252 spe. Ultimately, Refrigerate does not make MGlalie more overpowered than it would already be because the requisite moves are not yet available. This fact does not change regardless of how many sneaky dishonest damage calculations you can fit into a post. Edited January 9, 2015 by dondon151 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Qaaz Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Hellooooooooooooooo Guys. 1st of all get what Mega u want to use and after check what strategy can you use with it. Like the Return that is TM and WE DONT HAVE IT So calm down and wait until we have something in our hands. Speculation is good but that's Reborn. Even if we get something like Mega Glalie before Sapphira, Ame is going to give her some field like superheat For me I'm siting here on the corner and just waiting for the Metagrossite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 AuthorReborn Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) So first of all, that's definitely an erroneous calc. I got 230-272 (59.5 - 70.4%), which is almost exactly half of what you got. Whatever you were using, it probably forgot to factor in Multiscale. Second of all, I'm not sure if it was possible to be any more explicit in my previous post. Mega Glalie does the same amount of damage to Dragonite with Ice Beam (actually slightly less because Dragonite's spdef is higher, but that's immaterial). You said in your post that Mega Glalie's "ability destroys just about any dragon" and that's demonstrably false. As is, Mega Glalie does that regardless of Refrigerate because its only accessible moves that are boosted by Refrigerate are not stronger than its usual Ice-type STABs. Is this unclear in any way? Yes, but the fact that it was unclear was my fault. I forgot to mention that the Mega Glalie was under status, such as poison. That was the error, not the Multiscale. I apologize for not mentioning that, but I assumed it was implied through using Facade unstead of Heatbutt. My bad. Edited January 10, 2015 by AuthorReborn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 squirmey Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 next thing you know ame will give one of the gym leaders a mega ageslash with a base 200 defense and special defense and 150 attack but only 40 speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ej190 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 ^ i think the only "fake" pokemon have been pulse megas.. So unless titania(or whatever the steel gymleaders name is) uses pulse aegislash, its not happening.totally expects it to happen And regarding glalie, doesn't it get freeze dry now? How much is kingdra taking from that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Knight_Teutonic Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) 252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 360-426 (111.4 - 131.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 359-424 (111.1 - 131.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO Saphira's dragonite is not invincible. Get over it, kid. Now excuse me. Edited January 10, 2015 by Knight_Teutonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Sonikku Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 I suggest we drop this. Hilda, Gallade's ability does really well. No flinch haxing, etc.If you really don't like it then you can skill swap. It's my favorite mega *-* Author, Gallade actually wasn't in OU last year. I'll say it again. Tier doesn't compute viability. No matter what mega it is, I'll make use of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Qaaz Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 (edited) 252+ Atk Refrigerate Glalie Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 360-426 (111.4 - 131.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 359-424 (111.1 - 131.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO Saphira's dragonite is not invincible. Get over it, kid. Now excuse me. Field Effect, EVs and lot of stuff Ame can do about that.We don't even have the ability to Mega Evolve Glalie and we talk casualy about that. Get over your high horse guys Edited January 10, 2015 by Qaaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Somebody found a Banettite on Ametrine, so maybe there are some other Mega Stones lying around Reborn. I wonder where are the others?
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