Daniel Blackworth
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Actually, that was just a bait. I'm the real Jailor. Let's pardon me and lynch Kiet, the impostor.
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1 hour ago, Walpurgis said:
Defending Alaris could have easily passed as just being wrong, but the tie lynch getting rid of our cop is something I can't ignore. I just don't find your reasons to justify your votes while questioning others as solid as I would expect from you.
If that's what you want then I'll give you a chance proving your claim. I received a gun last night phase and Astra can probably vouch for it, if you are lying then you will fail to stop mε and die and if you are saying the truth then you will be able to stop me from killing you.
That aside, I want to know who has been stopping the bleeding. We have assumed it was the doctor but based on Bok's claims he hasn't used his ability on anyone who was bleeding yet and his role description specifically states that it doesnt cure bleeding.Yeah, I do admit it was my bad for getting the cop lynched. However, I had suggested the tie lynch out of a desire to avoid the consequences of a possible mislynch, and at the same time, prove whether or not the cult was a real thing or it was non-existent.
Sure, that works.
No one has been stopping any of the bleeding. As I said in an earlier post, Alaris lied about bleeding, Amber died of bleeding, no one bled on the last day phase, and Astra is bleeding now. This raises the possibility of the one performing the stabbing, to be only able to perform said action on every other night
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49 minutes ago, Walpurgis said:
[Unvote] Bean
[Eliminate] Dive
And before anyone asks about the sudden change: I lied about Bean being the player I'm most suspicious of, I just thought it was going to be way too hard to convince people of lynching Dive after his roleclaim and I wanted to lay low to avoid getting killed before being able to use the gun I got last night.Kill-blocker is a convenient ability to claim, from the towns perspective it can't be demonstrated that this role exists at all (the only kill not performed by mafia was Cass using her gun as far as I'm aware) + the fact that the roles in this game have custom abilities means that it could potentially be a thing, but it also means that a role can be more or less easily made up and it's somewhat unlikely that it'd overlap with an existent one (esp given how unconventional this one is). You could say choosing a character was kind of taking a gamble, but it was a necessary one: in the position he was he would have had a very hard time avoiding being lynched had he not roleclaimed like he did. (Also Alaris did it too last day phase and no one contested his claim, maybe they have figured out something regarding the characters included in this game that we have not?
or maybe it's just luck)In summary, his actions last day phase are way too scummy and his roleclaim could easily be a faked one.
Not really. It can easily be demonstrated from a town's perspective through the use of the guns provided by Astra. And one way I can suggest is by giving a gun either Bok or Cass (safer with Cass). Bok protects Cass (essentially protecting them both) and Cass shoots me. I attempt to stop the gun from shooting me.
Exactly what actions last day phase are scummy? I've given my explanation on why I defended Alaris, and I don't think any townie really makes perfect decisions all the time on their stand.
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8 minutes ago, andracass said:
It makes no sense that seal's explanation would lift your suspicions of him if you thought he was lying about being stabbed in the first place. You also said you asked Seal N0, meaning that you already had that information on the night you blocked Alaris.
Yeah, I thought he was lying about being stabbed in the first place, and so, I blocked him (all the while thinking the mafia kill was faction-based). Because I blocked him and Nano still died, I was inclined to think that he could have been stabbed genuinely. Additionally, Amber was also stabbed on that day, so the chances of being stabbed genuinely was more likely.
Also, you're trying to say that my suspicions were lifted simply because of Seal's explanation, when in fact, it wasn't. Other factors such as the level of his contribution during the previous days and his willingness to participate in the discussion made me more inclined to believe in him. His explanations were also reasonable to a certain extent.
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1 minute ago, andracass said:
You blocked Alaris out of a suspicion that he was lying about the stab, but then defended him and orchestrated a tie when it was clear that either he or purp was going to get lynched.
I blocked Alaris the night Jace was lynched though? As I said earlier, when I asked Seal about the mafia kill, he said he was not allowed to tell if the kill was factional or done by a single member. As such, I hypothesized that the kill was done by faction because it would be weird "not being allowed to tell" if the mafia kill was done by a single person (as it's the usual for mafia games here). Because of this, I was inclined to trust him more the incoming 2 phases after.
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7 minutes ago, andracass said:
Jason: Roleclaimed. Not believing that Alaris was stabbed seems more like a convenient afterthought to disregarding purp's roleclaim as cop and being instrumental in the tie lynch. Also attempted a block on Lia for her vote on Purp after I stated that Purp was a potential mafia candidate. Claim is either a lie or behavior is incredibly inconsistent throughout the game, which itself would be suspicious. Not worth the risk.
[Unvote] Bean
[Eliminate] Dive
What does the bolded text mean?
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After rereading some of the previous statements, here are some of the things I learned:
(1) Assuming Bok is the real doctor (which I believe is likely to be true), Lia would be most definitely town because I do not think there are other roles which could have prevented the kill from happening on Night Zero.
(2) The mafia-aligned stabber may be limitied to perform their ability only every other night. Based from the previous day phases, here are the information given:
D1: Alaris said he was stabbed (a lie)
D2: Amber said he was stabbed (likely true, was unprotected and died); possible for Cass or Bok to have been targeted instead
D3: No one said they were stabbed
D4: Astra said she was stabbed (likely true)
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19 minutes ago, CrimsonDragon21 said:
The Host gave me the information that i got attacked this night but also nursed back to health.
Through my whispers, Hypurr told me that he can't protect a revealed Major. Thats why he protected me for the night. And Mafia went for me instead of the revealed Major, as it seems.
No. The person, i jail, gets protection from all night actions.
I, on the other hand, have no defenses at all.Or else the Jailor would be broken as hell.I meant that you would have essentially blocked Drakyle from killing you because as a Jailor, you roleblock the actions of your jailed target.
... but never mind. I was planning to trick you through misinformation, but I don't think that's going to work in any case.
But I have one request. Can we lynch Lykos first? It doesn't change anything, but I'd prefer to die last
[Vote] LykosHand
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5 minutes ago, Walpurgis said:
I don't have a solid reason to vote bean. I don't think L'Belle has been doing anything out of the usual, he never posts or contributes a lot so I don't find his lack of involvement to be enough proof of anything.
Why are you voting Bean then? Also, what are your thoughts on the other players?
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10 minutes ago, CrimsonDragon21 said:
As you can see there was no Mafia Kill this Dayphase. I was the one attacked but thankfully nursed back to health by the Doctor.
Meaning Hypurrs claim of Doctor was indeed the truth from the beginning.
That also leaves us with the two non towns Dive and Lykos.
Lykos is probably Godfather.
While Dive is Arsonist.
So i would say we lynch off Dive or Lykos and i jail and execute the other one.
[Eliminate] Dive
How do you know you've been "nursed back to health"? Also, doesn't jailing Drakyle stop you from getting killed at all?
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Where are these votes for Bean coming from? Considering that the only ones left who haven't claimed are Bean, L'Belle, Newt, and Lia, I can see the possibility that Bean is mafia, but I'm not sure where the progression is for that vote, especially Lia's, which IMO seems to be just a BW vote.
Vote Counts:
SpoilerDAY 1
Astra - Hooky
L'Belle - L'Belle, cass (2)
Jace - Jace, Nano4, Eric, Digital Amber
Eric - Bok Choi
Nano - Alaris
Hooky - LykosHand, AstraDAY 2
Astra - *Hooky, *Alaris, *Cass, *L'Belle, *Cicada, *Lykos
Eric - Jason, Bok, Cass, Amber, Alaris, Lykos, Newt, Astra, Cicada, L'Belle
Cicada - Lia
Lykos - *Newt, Eric
Alaris - HookyDAY 3
Alaris [5] - cicada, Newt, Cass (2), Lia
cicada [5] - Jason, Alaris, Hooky, L'Belle, Astra
Bok [1] - BokOut of the four, however, I'm inclined to trust Newt the most because he has felt like a proactive town in previous days. Lia, on the other hand, has been voting the correct people, but has only appeared barely (mostly near the end of the phases in previous days) in thread and hasn't given much new contribution. I'm not really sure where to place Bean because he hasn't been particularly strong with his stands, particularly in the previous 2 day phases, and that is grounds for suspicion. With L'Belle, I don't really feel any presence from them at all other than voting and going along with other people are saying.
Thus, for now, I'd like to put a pressure vote on Belle.
[Unvote] Bok
[Vote] L'Belle
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47 minutes ago, Walpurgis said:
I guess this kinda puts a target in my back since there wasn't a mafia kill this night phase but I was roleblocked this night, so either there are several roleblockers or it was the doctor preventing the kill.
Right now I suspect Dive and Bok as the last two mafs. I loosely remember Astra and Newt being somewhat confirmed town? If so then there aren't many other options either.
[Eliminate] Dive
Where does this suspicion arise from?
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Also, I might have or have not been involved with the case of no mafia kill happening, and I think it's best I share this information.
I'm Tiny Kong and my role is that of a Kill-blocker (I disarm a player each night and strip away their ability to kill for that night)
On N0, I targeted Digital Amber, but my action failed.
On N1, I targeted Alaris because I somewhat suspected his stabbed claim and that he might have falsified it.
On N2, I targeted Lia because she stood out to me for targetting Purp around the earliest parts of the day, and not contributing much in the day.
On N3, I targeted Bok because his eager shift to the tie lynch made it feel like he had something more to gain by changing his vote.
On night 0, I had asked Seal whether or not the mafia kill was factional or assigned to a specific member. He had told me that he was not allowed to tell. I hypothesized that it was more likely it was factional. This was part of the reason why I was inclined to trust Alaris over Purps more. But seeing how that resulted last day, it's clearer that the kill is assigned to a specific member. If a doctor does exist in this setup or is still alive, they might have prevented the kill; otherwise, Bok is the one assigned to the mafia kill last night.
For now,
[Eliminate] Bok
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Rip I'm too busy right now and don't have enough time to read/respond to the more recent posts. I only see some Innocent votes, but I'm not sure what they mean in this context, but for me, Bok is guaranteed to be not aligned with the town, so I'm not sure why we're not going with a guilty verdict.
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15 minutes ago, LykosHand said:
@Jason Grace I can explain my hesitation to claim. As you can see from the nano's server, i talked with Kiet and i said to him why i didn't do a roleclaim, it's because i wanted to set up a trap for mafs so my plan was to find out if there was someone who had by chance my own role, but unfortunately it didn't happen so i think it's not important anymore to hide my role and also my "trap" won't work anymore.
So i told to Kiet that i'm indeed the town support aka Escort.That's funny to see me as an escort, right?Kiet can confirm this if you have doubts.11 minutes ago, Alphagar said:I am your Mayor of course. As I said...I am not some Mafia scum. We need to unite against them to secure our town.
At least one of you is non-town, as both of you are claiming a Town Support Role.
To Lykos: If you're the Escort, I'd like to know how "Kiet can confirm it".
To Alphagar: If you're the Mayor, the best way to confirm your role is by revealing yourself as Mayor officially.
Also, I see. I have no idea how your trap would have worked when the Escort is clearly a non-unique role which means that other players have the chance of having the same role.
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I just arrived home from school ... and I arrive to this.
I am actually the last random town - the Investigator and because of this, both Hypurr and Bok are lying about their role, and they're both actually either mafia and/or one is a neutral killing role (which as has been stated, is most likely to be an Arsonist due to the absence of a death from both Serial Killer and Werewolf, unless if they deliberately did not attack or the Werewolf attacked Bok).
These have been my investigations for the past nights:
On the first night, I investigated Lykos because he is an elusive character a lot of the time. He came up as Bodyguard, Godfather, or Arsonist. His supposedly "town supportive" role contradicts this, and I think there's a good probability he isn't town because of his hesitation to claim when we know that Kiet's Jailor claim is credible and is near impossible to fake by anyone.
On the second night, I investigated Lia on Kiet's suggestion because while she had been towny, it was best to verify if it would be good/best to trust her. We all know she's the Spy, but she came up as Spy, Blackmailer, or Jailor.
With Alphagar's and Lykos' vote for either of the two, I suspect that either may be allied with whom they voted with, but I still need to analyze this to have more insight.
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To reflect the current vote count:
Alaris [6] - cicada, Newt, Bok, Cass (2), Lia
cicada [3] - Jason, Alaris, Hooky
Not voting [2] - L'Belle, AstraAlso,
1 minute ago, Walpurgis said:In the case of a tie the lynched person is selected randomly between the players tied with the most votes, only one is lynched.
Rule #4 in the Opening Post of this game explicitly states that both players are lynched.
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12 minutes ago, cicada said:
I just want to state that, from all games where one has been in, the Psychic report will list out three people, of which only one is mafia. Therefore, only either Alaris or myself will be Mafia. Granted, this game is kinda weird where people have had modified roles and such.
Whilst I'd usually favour the lynch tie early on in the game...it doesn't favour town. One of us is guaranteed town, the other is guaranteed Mafia. As I recall, we have 9 people left -- 3 mafia and 6 townies if there isn't a cult in play. 1 mafia (if Eric wasn't lying), a maximum of 3 cult members, and 5 townies left. Lynching both of us would get rid of one town and one mafia, which brings it down to 2 maf and 5 townies in play (without the cult -- if the cult is in play, that leaves 3 cult members against 4 townies).
Alaris probably has the upper hand by claiming Swanky Kong (which, I think, is a member of the Kong family), but I don't buy this. Like, at all. It's an easy thing to claim, especially if you know about Donkey Kong, which would give you more town credibility. But do you really want to risk lynching both of us when someone has claimed an investigative role (aka, the probable last person capable enough of finding out for definite what someone's alignment is)? Do you want to risk losing the investigative role? There probably isn't another one in this setup, which means you'd be lynching based off reads.
I. Uh, I feel like everyone's been having this misconception: The Psychic in normal games does NOT list out three people; look it up in EM and a Psychic investigates one person to find their alignment.
This listing out three people is actually done by a Dreamer and in its description, "at least one of whom is mafia" is given.
II. We actually have 10 townies left.
Estimates:
A. If the cult doesn't exist, we have 7 townies and 3 mafia. By lynching both, we have 6 townies (5 if one more dies in the next phase) and 2 mafia.
B. If the cult does exist and Eric's statement is true, we have 6 town, 1 mafia, and 3 cult. By lynching both (assuming one is town, the other is maf), we have 5 town, 0/1 mafia, and 2/3 cult. [Note: If there are 0 mafia, we do win].
IMO it's not that bad a choice, though not the perfect choice.
III. Mafia is essentially a game based on reads though. The existence of investigates just makes the game somewhat easier, but does not totally prevent a town from winning imo.
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1 minute ago, Walpurgis said:
Oof I missed the announcement and a whole day has gone by. I think in this Nicki vs Alaris and Dive situation I'm going to believe Nicki. I can't address everything that has been said but I feel like a lot of Alaris' and Dive's arguments overlooked obvious possibilities or were based on very eh things.
Examples:-I find weird that Alaris failed to account for the possibility of the mafia forfeiting their stab action or the stabber not being part of the mafia to begin with and while this was a very reasonable thing to think day 1, but at this point it's a bit questionable. There has been some talk about balance but I haven't seen anyone bring up how the mafia having a stabber and a factional kill at the same times totally nullifies the doctor's ability to stop their kills. There's no signs of a town vigilante so far, so it's much more likely that the stabber is a town role with the ability to kill. You failed to bring up the most likely possibility and I think that's very very very strange.
-Maybe I missed it but Alaris roleclaimed without giving the name of his role. Just saying you are the "party host" is like the less risky claim you can do, especially in this setup. If you want to convince me you'll have to claim to be a character that makes at least a tiny bit of thematical sense and isnt counterclaimed.
-"Squanks can't be town because he's not part of the Kong family." This is very far-fetched in my opinion. If there is indeed a Squanks role it's much more likely to be part of the town than not, and even if there are more than enough Kong family roles to make up for twice of the amount of players we have in this setup most of them aren't as present in the franchise as Squanky is. While this doesn't confirm Nicki's roleclaim I think it was a bit of a weird argument to make.
[Eliminate] Alaris
I think if the stabber and mafia kill were in conjunction with each other, it still does allow the doctor to stop their kills, but reasonably would guarantee one death. However, it's also possible that there are other ways to block the kill, like a Roleblocker, a Jailer, a Bulletproof, so it's not impossible to have both on the same team.
But if we consider the stabber as a town role, early on since D1, it's been an assumption by everyone that the stabber must be mafia and given Eric's statement about being a stabber, it's been injected in our minds that the stabber must be mafia aligned.
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He's Swanky Kong.
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The Kong family argument might be farfetched, but it makes sense if we consider that most of the dead Kong and alive people (who've name claimed) are Kongs. Even my role is a Kong, so it's not hard to imagine that.
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I just saw this when I reread the rules:
SpoilerIn the case of a tie in votes, both persons will be lynched.
Lynching wrong could cause damage to the town because:
I. Lynching town!Nicki would allow Alaris to shoot a gun and kill another townie on top of the mafia kill.
II. Lynching town!Alaris would cause the day to be wasted and a town member (who could possibly roleblock the mafia kill by activitating his ability) be lynched.
Thus, the option below is an option that's open to us, especially to those who are undecided or unsure about their decision.
We lynch both by ensuring that the votes/vote value on them are tied.
It's not an optimal choice because:
I. Lynching town!Nicki removes an investigative role from play which could help in finding out player alignments
II. Lynching town!Alaris removes a mass roleblocker from play which could help stop one mafia kill from happening
III. We remove a possible one town
However, it's not entirely bad because:
I. It guarantees at least one mafia dead.
II. In the case that both are actually mafia bussing each other for town cred, we don't have to think about the possibility of this happening in the next day phases.
III. In the case that a cult does exist, we are able to know if 3 players are in the cult. Alaris and Nicki are whom we immediately know of, and Cass, by extension, because if we tie the votes, but don't end up with both dead, it's possible she's culted.
IV. We don't waste a day anymore if we lynch wrong and it caters to everyone's suspicions.
Going by this, I am suggesting that we attempt to lynch both. As of now, there are 6 votes against Alaris (counting Cass' as 2 because she's Donkey Kong) and 3 votes against Nicki.
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I can't help with development, but I'll be cheering you on and I'm looking forward to this game's progress in the coming months/years.
The plot's certainly interesting and intriguing!
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Chess Mafia(Day 6 WHITE SIDE VICTORY)
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One of the few times I've ever used a randomizer for a vote.
[Vote] Quillish