Heliosan

My user is Heliosan. When are you free to hop online? If you're on Discord, that would help a lot imo in terms of scheduling.

My goodness, those are some really amazing Pokemon. Yeah I think the Ditto for me is the top priority to breed good IV Pokemon. As for the others, man. Volcarona I suppose would be what I am most interested in simply because I can breed Larvestas from it, but I guess that really depends if you're willing to part with it to get some of my stuff. What would you like from me?

Enjoy your Pokemon! Thanks for trading

Yeah I cancelled trade by accident. Requesting trade again!

My bad, requesting trade again to send Bulbasaur.

Okay I got them ready! I'll hop on and request the trade to you as soon as you reply!

Do you want any nicknames for the Bulbasaur or the Popplio?

Ah okay that's fine. I need to breed my Popplio and Bulbasaur, but I'll get that for ya. What's your online ID? Mine is Heliosan.

Oh nice, does your Alolan Vulpix happen to have Moonblast (egg move)? If not that's cool, Tyrunt is a sick Pokemon too. What would you like from me?

Hello there, I just got started in breeding and primarily am looking for a Ditto to help improve the IVs of my bred Pokemon. I can offer E17 exclusive mons (see spoiler below) as well as: - Beldum - Lapras - Rotom - Starly - Bulbasaur - Riolu - Chimchar Open to hearing offers! Thanks

If you still happen to have one, I would love to get a 6 IV Ditto. Can offer some E17 exclusive Pokemon that I bred.

If you still got Eevees, I am down. I have some E17 mons here:

Wait, I thought you don't get Totodile until Ametrine Mountain which definitely isn't midgame...

Tis is true, if you're in a matchup against a special attacker that can't hit you too hard, then by all means I think that looks like a Swoobat sweep. I guess it really depends how well it performs in practice (hence why I am trying to raise one up in my new playthrough). And you're correct that in the later stages of the game, you get a lot more money. I always found I had too much money to spend when I really needed items, but that might change in this new run. Hmm, you do bring up a good point that the Prankster Pokemon do provide a lot so long as their move is executed (which, basically always will be thanks to Prankster minus a Ciel Talonflame). I think Meowstic-M would be higher in viability if you had access to Thunder Wave because that move is stupid in tandem with Prankster. Stun Spore for sure is a very nice move despite the poor accuracy (get that Wide Lens swag going) and Whimsicott also has pretty interesting typing that does help a lot of Pokemon. My biggest question is when are you gonna get a Sun Stone to evolve Cottonee to a Whimsicott, but I am sure Cottonee still at least does something useful. If they provided offensive presence like Thundurus does in competitive Pokemon, then I think they would be S-tier, but hmm, A or A- might be a good place for it. Hmm, it seems that we can put Swoobat into B tier. And yeah you bring a good point that those matchups aren't fantastic for Swoobat. The final detailed analysis will definitely mention a little bit about that. I will definitely try out your Sudowoodo set since that is easily learned via the level-up movepool when I find a Bonsly in the early stages of the game. I think a Rock type on my team would be a welcome addition esp since I don't wanna get blown back by Corey's Crobat. I think B- is a good place for Luxray. It is definitely outclassed by a few Electric types, but it does fill a niche of a physical attacking Electric type and bringing Intimidate to the table along with the other utility moves it gets. I'll ask LordWallace to update the OP with it.

Yeah, I think B is a very fair rank for Swoobat. B+ would be pushing it a little bit, but I would say for now, B is a pretty good place for it. Hmm, now I wanna try Sudowoodo for my new save file... Pyroar definitely has a solid niche, but I think another factor that hurts it is that it really doesn't have a good ability. Rivalry works sometimes, but it's inconsistent. Unnerve...from what i remember, don't think there are that many use cases for it. Moxie is just meh because it doesn't really get that many good physical moves minus like...Crunch lol. B+ probably fits best for it. Empoleon has arguably better typing than Milotic because Steel is a very good defensive type. That being said, I think it would probably be around where Piplup is or even lower to be honest because of the reasons stated. Maybe it will be more useful in the future battles depending on what we get access to later, but we have to wait for Ame to finish those. B+ imo is still kinda pushing Swoobat a little bit because you really have little physical bulk and its only means of recovery is you using a turn to heal it with an Ultra Potion or switching out to fodder something, but then in turn lose your boosts. Speed is also a really weird thing in Reborn tbh because it requires you to have a proper speed nature and possibly even EV training if you absolutely need to outspeed. If Swoobat gets outsped, it's not in for a good time. I am also not sure how many times you can get to +6 because usually setting up to +6 is not very efficient anyway due to the Law of Diminishing Returns when you boost the stats. You are correct that Swoobat is available very early and it does a lot of work against the early gyms and key battles. Hence why I think it will probably end up in B+ despite said flaws from before. Eh, Noivern is a pretty nice and fast Pokemon with good coverage options, but I think trying to raise it up to level 48 as you go definitely sucks. I think it's probably a C Pokemon because Noivern is not complete garbage and it does do some decent work in the early stages against Florinia and has good typing, it's just that grueling midgame where everything destroys it basically. It's kind of a U-curve in terms of potential if that makes sense imo. Could you expand more on why you think Whimsicott and Meowstic-M should be moved up? Neither Pokemon have offensive presence, but they do have support. Just depends on what kind of support is actually good, hence why I wanna hear more of your reasoning as to why they should be A-rank. Ah yes, that will be implemented in the next iteration of edits. Thank you for the reminder! And also, thanks everyone for contributing your thoughts thus far and helping the list develop.

I can see Swoobat as a solid B ranked Pokemon. It definitely has fantastic speed and being able to setup those Calm Minds quick for abusing Simple is pretty good. Air Slash and Psychic are pretty decent STAB moves with the fun added factor of flinching your opponent with the former. It is available quite early at 0 badges and only requires happiness to evolve (don't let this thing faint). The biggest flaws that stop Swoobat from becoming an A tier Pokemon would have to be its typing both offensively and defensively. Steel types are going to wall Swoobat with its natural level-up pool and not to mention the Calm Mind boosts won't boost its frail physical defense. And as mentioned, Psychic + Flying isn't the best of defensive typing. What do you guys think? B rank for Swoobat is pretty fair? I think Noibat also should probably be moved down a little bit considering it is quite a pain to raise and won't evolve until level 48. LordWallace, you should link the highlights of your Pokemon Reborn playthrough to supplement the Noibat headache :]

I don't think Sudowoodo's HP, Special Defense, or Speed really make it have overall good stats per se. I think Sudowoodo also relies on a lot of allies to take hits to allow you to restore it to full HP to abuse Sturdy again. The only points that I agree with you is the availability and it gets the moves it needs to abuse the Sturdy. However, the fact that you are so reliant on Sturdy and you absolutely need to be at full HP to abuse it again is just...really disappointing. I think C+ is probably the highest it deserves to be because of those qualities. Stealth Rock arguably has more utility than a lot of what Sudowoodo offers in terms of Sturdy. As for Arcanine, you also could get Close Combat by soft-resetting for that egg move which is honestly worth it considering it really improves its coverage options. And I don't think anyone can get Ninetales outside of the Police Mystery Egg event which imo doesn't affect Arcanine too much unless you're lucky enough to get Ninetales in the egg. Chandelure definitely competes with Arcanine which I do agree with. Physical Arcanine is definitely the better option based on the available moves and I think B- is a pretty fitting rank for it. How are you supposed to get through all the dialogue within 6 hours without FPS exploits or something? That doesn't make any sense and I am honestly quite skeptical that you completed up to Charlotte at 6 hours. And just a note, I didn't even try to blaze through the game in a speed run style and I just happened to finish in 35 hours. I like how you decided to take this opportunity to try to assert your ego. The idea with the "Availability" portion of the analysis is that it assumes that IF you happened to get that particular Pokemon, this is where it stands. If you don't even get that Pokemon (ex. already committed to a starter for that save file, just got the Mystery egg), then you don't really need to waste your time the analysis fully. Is that so hard? I also think you're exaggerating that people are gonna open every single spoiler tag when honestly, people probably will want to know what is inherently good and then will see if it is available. I would say that ranking the Pokemon based on viability and then having availability as a note disclaimer if you call it to provide additional feedback to the user adheres more to a user's mental model than having the Pokemon listed by availability and viability. If people are coming to read a tier-list, they wanna see what is good or fits a role that they need on a team. Then after if they see what is good or fits, then it only makes sense to see when it is available. EDIT: If you really think the starter / mystery egg aspect is really that difficult to understand, then I don't think adding a note about the Mystery Egg and starter Pokemon at the top to help explain the availability portion of the analysis a bit better would be that tough to add. I don't think it warrants a completely overhauled means of ranking Pokemon. Yeah, Pangoro is definitely a rung below Hariyama and Scrafty in terms of Fighting types that you have access to at that stage of the game. Heck, Primeape is probably a little bit better than Pangoro because at least Primeape can move decently quick. Thanks for the feedback! I think C- is probably where it belongs. EDIT: And just a note, Diggersby is ranked at A+ not because Excadrill competes with it, but rather Diggersby is not much better than Excadrill.

Excadrill learns Earthquake at a much earlier level (33 as a Drilbur which isn't much farther from 31 when it evolves) than Diggersby (57) not to mention Mold Breaker is so useful when there are so many annoying Levitate and Sturdy Pokemon in the game. Steel / Ground is also better typing that Normal / Ground and in my experience, I found Excadrill to be better than Diggersby actually. Excadrill was able to start winning the double battles early on and was a huge part of my 35 hour finish of Pokemon Reborn. Diggersby was honestly just weight on the team and it didn't really live up to the hype in my personal experience. I really found Take Down to be a pretty lackluster move because of the recoil and the miss which is quite annoying. By the time I got Strength, Excadrill was already way stronger than Diggersby. Not to mention Excadrill has access to Rock Slide to hit Flying types (add the Rock Slide flinch factor which is definitely better than relying on Diggersby to survive and get off a Flail).

Yeah, I'll concede that I should've made a disclaimer somewhere about it, but I didn't really think that was needed until later. I'll keep that in mind for the future. Thanks!

The biggest issue I see with Typhlosion is as you said, relying on Eruption as a primary spread fire attack. It also doesn't get that much access to moves that help beat things that would wall it. I haven't tried using an ability capsule on it, but if it can get Flash Fire, that's pretty nice. Then again, Chandelure and Arcanine both get that ability as well and offer somewhat different coverage while not relying on such a low PP move that is also contingent on you being 100% HP. Why rate Venusaur so much when you can't get some of its best moves easily? Not to mention that you don't really get access to sun unless you get Vulpix as your Police Mystery egg. If you got the Vulpix at any time in the salon like it was in the past, sure I would definitely rate Venusaur a lot higher, probably to A / A+ as you said. However, since you don't in EP15, I don't see Venusaur really up there. Petal Dance is also not like Outrage because Outrage hits more things neutrally while Petal Dance is 2x or even 4x resisted by a lot of Pokemon and you are stuck and can't switch out if you use it. Sleep Powder and Leech Seed is fantastic utility which does give Venusaur a buff, but without access to some of its most important moves...I am just really not sold on Venusaur versus another Grass starter like Torterra who gets its STAB moves naturally and doesn't need Sun to be good. Golem has access to Stealth Rock which gives it more utility than Sudowoodo, but even then, neither Sudowoodo or Golem are particularly amazing Pokemon in it of themselves. Non-STAB Sucker Punch is also not the most fantastic of moves and I don't think using a Study reliant Pokemon is a very skilled strategy because you literally just rely on the thing being at full HP and then using the gimmick that is Sturdy to possibly get a good attack off. Aggron is probably in that range as you mentioned. I forget how many badges you need to get Aron, but it might have a niche. Could you please format your thoughts into the analysis format that is in the OP? That would be much appreciated! Drapion. Yeah, I agree that it's probably a C rank Pokemon. Poison + Dark is a pretty odd type combo in terms of synergy and coverage, but Drapion definitely benefits that it is available decently early and is a pretty good Toxic Spikes option should you want that on your team. Ursaring. I feel that if you use Guts Ursaring, then Facade should be your primary STAB move of choice which you get somewhat around the time you evolve Teddiursa to Ursaring. Kiki is definitely the worst matchup you could get for it, but afterwards I feel that it might be okay. I think C- or D+ might be an appropriate ranking for it? I am actually playing through the game again and I have a Teddiursa so I am gonna see for myself how well it does. If you want to propose tier changes, then please use the format as noted in the original post! helps keep things organized and whatnot. Also, in terms of Reuniclus, I think it is a very solid Pokemon but its biggest issue is coverage options in its level-up movepool. Psychic + Shadow Ball + Trick Room + Calm Mind is pretty nice and probably my favorite set for Reuniclus in competitive singles, however without access to Shadow Ball, the set really gets hurt in terms of hitting things that resist Psychic (mainly Steel). You still hit well with the Psychic and bring utility to the team in Trick Room, but that darn TM switch from Shadow Ball to Shadow Claw really hurts a lot of special attackers that benefit from Shadow Ball such as Reuniclus.

I think Torterra definitely makes a good case for B+ given the reasons that you stated. I will be discussing this with LordWallace later today and I think so far in my 2nd play-through where I chose Turtwig, it's been doing work, so I think with a few more feedback from others, Torterra imo could move up to B+. Awesome! Hope to hear from you soon in terms of what rankings should be added / changed. As for the pre-evolution ranking, LordWallace and I basically ranked the S and A tier Pokemon with full-on analysis while listing the others in the B and lower ranks so that it would provide a placeholder for community feedback and discussion. When each of the Pokemon have their analysis fully-written, it will be about the whole evolutionary family because that's part of what defines a Pokemon. Thanks ~Derpy Simon! I think the best course of action would be to have a separate discussion thread while keeping this as the main post for the tier list that will be modified accordingly. I'll make the discussion thread later tonight (EST) if that's okay with you? Yes you are correct in assuming that Charizard is a B- Pokemon in this list. The reasons as to why LordWallace and I felt that it should be ranked in B- is: It doesn't compete very well against the many Fire types you have access to both in the starters and in the actual Reborn world itself. The Fire types listed above each have qualities that put it above Charmander in some way, if you want a more detailed break-down, just let me know. Level-up movepool is pretty good early as you mentioned with Dragon Rage wrecking things, but later on Charizard just kinda gets walled by a lot of things and will insta-die to one Rock attack. No access to 1 turn Solarbeam (Ame, pls gives us Zard Y) or means to hit said weaknesses definitely hurts its viability compared to the other Fire types. Also, there were times when I tried switching a Flying type into a supposed incoming Earthquake and I get bopped by Stone Edge or something. Dunno how often that has happened to you, but Charizard certainly won't like that. Availability only as a starter definitely hurts a little bit because you deny access to a lot of other stronger options. If there's anything that you wanna dispute with the reasoning or other questions, feel free to state it. In what ways are the Aron - Lairon - Aggron, Teddiursa - Ursaring, and Skorupi - Drapion families good? If you wanna nominate them for the tier list, then could you please put them in the format as stated above in the original post, particularly specific reasons as to why they deserve to be where they are? Thanks! The main problems that I see right now with the Togepi-Togetic-Togekiss family is: You really need to baby that Togepi and spend a lot of time preserving it so that it gains EXP and doesn't hate you for letting it faint. Paraflinching Togekiss would be pretty good if we had access to Thunder Wave in EP15 which we don't. Extremespeed is kinda meh priority unless you really weaken the opponent's Pokemon simply because Togekiss doesn't have great physical Attack and E-speed is no longer STAB. Aura Sphere is a fantastic coverage move though. I don't think Togekiss gets Moonblast at all? You don't even get Dazzling Gleam cuz that TM doesn't exist. Availability. You only get it as the Police Mystery egg event and that event alone already has a lot of other Pokemon that are better than Togekiss such as Haxorus, Azumarill, etc. Togekiss definitely has some things going for it, but these reasons above makes it seem that Togekiss should be lower on the spectrum compared to others. You do bring up a good point in regards dividing the tier list in terms of availability, but i think that a user can discern for themselves which Pokemon they have access to based off of the availability description (we always make a note whether this is a Pokemon you can only get via mystery egg or a starter being available later). The analysis for every Pokemon is required to catch every use case where a user happened to get that particular Pokemon and wants to see how it measures up. And in terms of starters / mystery egg Pokemon being available later...if stuff is available much later in the game, are they still useful at that point compared to the much earlier point? That is something to consider with that. Hope this answer your question. For Sudowoodo, I don't think it deserves A+ because a lot of what it is playing towards is relying on Sturdy, which isn't the most reliable ability unless you wanna keep spending money on Ultra Potions to preserve it. You are correct that it has a lot of tools to abuse Sturdy, but unfortunately it is mainly a one-time use and you also run the risk of gym leaders and other important battlers using their own potions to restore the damage done by Sudowoodo. I am not even sure if Sudowoodo would even be worthy of the B- rank to be honest because relying on Sturdy is not a quality of a Pokemon deserving of those ranks. The Geodude family in a way does the same things as Sudowoodo does but also brings Ground coverage. For Breloom, it's already in B+ and I think you're correct in your points for rating it. I think going for Spore + Focus Punch is a little bit too inconvenient, but that option is available if one really really wants it. I don't think it will pay that much dividends because Breloom isn't the fastest / bulkiest Pokemon in the world, but B+ is a pretty fair ranking for it imo. I have a feeling that you overrated the Grass type starters in a way because the Grass types you mentioned in that post struggle a lot more to get through the game compared to the Water types. You have access to a lot of good Grass types early (namely Budew, Lotad, etc.) while you don't have access to so many good Water types in the game because they are either axed (RIP Gyarados) or pretty hard to get (Azumarill and Starmie are mystery egg Pokemon, other Water types are available really late, and then there's the starters). Serperior can't really abuse Contrary until you get Leaf Storm which is super late (not to mention only 5 times of uses). Venusaur would be a way better Pokemon if it had access to Sludge Bomb in EP15 and Giga Drain via natural level-up instead of breeding. Both of these also don't have access to other moves that expand their coverage options unless you really wanna breed / soft-reset for Hidden Power in Pokemon Reborn. Water overall hits more types better than Grass, so naturally Water is better than Grass in a bunch of ways. Hope this sums it up for you. I actually was thinking of just making a "Blaziken" tier, but each of the options that are mentioned below fit the definition of the S-tier which is "These Pokemon are arguably the best in the game, being able to hold their own from the instant you get them, which is usually very early, to much later in the game. They never really lose their usefulness, and are the Pokemon you should be using if you want the smoothest and easiest play though.". Infernape, Diggersby, and Azumarill can do all of those things and it's explained more in their individual analysis. I don't know about Flail to be honest for a coverage move on Diggersby while you trade away a means to hit Grass and Fighting types that otherwise will give you trouble. Meditite...hmm, I heard that you could get it via the girl who lectures about Zen and afterwards it's only accessible in Route 2, but I actually haven't been able to get it. I assume you probably can't get it till after you battle Kiki which I wouldn't be surprised about. That aside, Medicham definitely hits very hard with Pure Power + High Jump Kick, but man that speed and sub-optimal bulk definitely hurts. Bulk Up would be a pretty nice move for it to have, but too bad it doesn't thanks to the TM not being available. That aside, I think it would be good if you do an analysis of Meditite using the format stated above to formalize where it should go on the list. Thanks for the feedback so far, guys! :]

So we shouldn't share our Reborn playthroughs? Pretty sure that's what this forum is for as well. It's not just a help forum. Why would the "Team Showcase" forum not even be the place to showcase a team that was used to play through this game? That doesn't make sense. White Herb indeed removes the speed drop, but the biggest issue is that Crobat still kinda has poor defenses even with the +1 Defense boost and not to mention it is all for moot and a White Herb wasted if I am in a situation where my best play is to switch out Crobat. It doesn't have the versatility and at that point, it would just be better to have a means to flinch things and having a non-sp atk decreasing nature makes it somewhat okay for my purposes in getting through the adventure up to Episode 15. Yes, Ciel was one of the toughest gym leaders for this team because well, looking at it, what do I have for Ciel? Blaziken and Excadrill get destroyed by quite a few of her members. Gardevoir can probably take out the Altaria, but still doesn't last the battle. Crobat is the same. Etc etc. How do you expect this team to beat Ciel? I also was pretty under-leveled for the most part minus Excadrill and Blaziken because I was just going through the game really quick. I even considered getting a Boldore to just setup Stealth Rock to have somewhat of a chance against Ciel because of how poor the matchup is. Hence...why I just got the Clefairy from Agate Circus after I beat Terra to prepare for the Ciel battle. Just because Ciel might be considered the "easier" of the leaders doesn't mean anything if your Pokemon inherently don't do very well against hers. To give an example, Noel seems to be commonly stated as a tough gym leader to beat but I didn't find him very difficult simply because Blaziken and Excadrill essentially destroyed him. It all comes down to the individual matchup, not how everyone else generally is doing. Using Cute Charm on Clefable is meaningless if the opposing Pokemon could setup next to Clefable. Simple as that. Doesn't matter how often or less it happens, if someone sets up on your Clefable while you're trying to setup and they get a hit off that ends up KO'ing you because they kept up with your boosts, then all your boosts are wasted. Unaware prevents that. Ciel's Talonflame tried to setup Swords Dances on Clefable and it would've been quite bad if a hit happened to go through evasion and at a time when the defensive boosts weren't ready. Cute Charm all in all makes the gimmick even more luck based than it needs to be. Charge Beam over Moonblast only increases the already long setup time that is required on Clefable and you lose a very good move for hitting Dark types which you would otherwise be relying on Charge Beam to damage. Okay that's interesting, never really looked into that. Thanks for letting me know about it. Um, honestly, from what I read on his post and the subsequent replies, it seemed that he just copy-pasted a lot of stuff into his response from other threads and basically was just saying stuff that sounded quite condescending in its own manner and I did not find a lot of his suggestions helpful. Yes, I do agree on a few of his points believe it or not. Mamoswine and Excadrill definitely compete for that spot. Dragalge is definitely an interesting option to explore. etc. etc. However, there were a lot of suggestions that...seemed quite questionable as to how well it would work practically. Breeding for Hidden Power for example is already tedious enough in XY and ORAS. Breeding in Pokemon Reborn from what I have tried seems even worse because of how many more steps you have to take to even see an egg show up at the Day Care. There were also some ideas that honestly aren't even good options for replacements in the first place such as Stunfisk over Excadrill or even considering Arbok or Muk as viable Pokemon over Crobat. Is Stunfisk at all a Pokemon that is more viable than Excadrill in a Pokemon Reborn playthrough? I was under the impression that the "Team Showcase" forum was a place to just talk about what was used in a playthrough of Pokemon Reborn. While I see that it is also a place for helping people on their playthroughs and whatnot, it seems that this post that I wrote with the purpose of sharing information of what I found to be helpful in my fast playthrough of Pokemon Reborn was just interpreted as a thread asking for advice on a team when...it technically isn't? I heard each and every part of his advice and even took the time to reply to each suggestion. I am open to suggestions for improving the team, but when it gets to the point that the suggestions either make the team objectively worse than it currently is or I would have to manipulate my save file to get the better options for a Pokemon...sorry, I just had to say something about it because I don't think it's constructive advice to suggest sub-optimal sets to people. Yeah, I definitely wanna get Ludicolo now even though I missed the event back when I was in Reborn City, but inb4 Amaria's Lapras has Freeze-Dry (based off of what I know about Ame, it will). RIP. Oh wellz, at least it will probably have a very strong match-up against the rest of the team which is definitely appreciated for me given that for this save file, Blaziken and Excadrill get destroyed by Water types.

If you had actually read my post, then you'll probably know that it was a "team showcase" lol. Air Slash at least can flinch? That's how I broke through some of Samson's Pokemon and then put it into Acrobatics KO range. Curse = lower speed and it is all wasted away when I have to switch out. What a great set to use? In case you're wondering, we're playing Episode 15 now. And in my experience, the AI did try to setup on the Clefable. Cute Charm has even less applications than Unaware. Oh and if you actually read the post, then you would know that I essentially only got Clefable for Ciel because literally everything else gets rekt by her Pokemon. Clefairy isn't available until Agate Circus nowadays. And you should actually read the description of Cute Charm before suggesting it over a superior ability in Unaware: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Cute_Charm_(Ability) You can trade in Reborn? Pretty sure you can't really do that until there is actual online capability. I know about the event starters that you could get, but a lot of them are available so late into the game or they just aren't that good of Pokemon to use based on the circumstances.

Bruh, I don't quite have access to every conceivable Pokemon in this game, dude. Ain't no one got time for half of the Pokemon you suggested here. I am playing off of Episode 15 and don't really feel like going back to old episodes to try and get broken Pokemon that aren't in the game anymore nor do I think half of your suggested options for each type are even that good to begin with. Most of these optimal sets require me to either go back to previous episodes or to breed for things that even then, aren't even that great. To go down your long list of advice: - Blaziken. Why should I waste so much time to breed Swords Dance when Bulk Up already does the job for me? Sure, I can see Bounce being an okay coverage option, but that final move was kinda filler in the first place and I ultimately never really used that coverage move since I mainly clicked High Jump Kick or Flare Blitz. Don't really see why that's even practical. - Excadrill. You're asking me to toss the Pokemon that carried me this far and didn't really slow down until Samson/Terra? Ground/Steel is one of the best typings and it just sets up on so many things in Reborn. And you are completely disregarding how strong Mold Breaker Earthquake is. And in terms of the Ground types you suggested...most of them are either not even that good, impractical to get because they don't have access to the good moves, or aren't even good in the first place. Ground types: And the Steels... - Clefable. Cute Charm? Really? Have you not seen all of these Pokemon that try to setup on my face when I attempt the Clefable sweep? Ciel's Talonflame for example? I can go on and on. Lots of battles will have people that try to setup on Clefable only to see that it was for naught. Charge Beam over Moonblast means dropping a crucial STAB for Dark types? Not to mention Charge Beam can easily miss. - Gardevoir. And why would I leave Gardevoir in on a physical hit that is probably gonna take it out? Gardevoir probably has one of the best level-up pools compared to most Psychic types in this game. Psychic Types: Fairy Types: - Crobat. Curse + White Herb? Wat. That not only wastes one coverage move on Crobat, but it also is essentially invalidated if I switch out. The Nasty Plot set is okay, but I think you're still missing out on the power of Acrobatics. I am just lazy and stuck with a Brave Crobat lol. Flying Types: Poison Types: - Ampharos. Yes, I think Heliolisk would be fantastic, it's just that it's adding a really frail aspect to an already frail team. Ninetales is also unfortunately unobtainable because I didn't get it as my Police Mystery egg. - Abomasnow. I don't know if you read clearly, but it was literally just there for Terra and it did its job just fine. Though, I think Mamoswine would be essentially the only practical Ice type out of the ones you suggested. - Walrein. This thing was clearly an HM slave lol. I literally switch this spot whenever I have to battle someone big. - Kricketune. Yeah, basically only used it for early game. - Chandelure. Didn't even use this thing, but in the spirit of this reply... If you made it to the end of this post: I was already finished with this run of Episode 15 and was just...basically recapping what I did for my first run. I kinda know what I should've done (aka, get the Mining Kit) and whatnot, but honestly telling me that I have to go back to other episodes to get certain moves and whatnot is...kinda not helpful to be honest? It feels kinda cheap and also the time is of essence. I also think you should actually read what you copy-paste before actually giving it as advice to people on a forum like this. Cute Charm Clefable is probably...one of the worst ideas I have heard in building a Clefable set. I am sorry if any of this offends you, but I am being honest with you in my replies. That's all.

Oh yeah...whoops, I kinda got frustrated when I couldn't upload the gifs initially so I forgot them. I'll give em something, but tbh they didn't do THAT much. EDIT: Got em in! Heh yeah, to be honest, Dank Memes was the key to winning that Ciel battle. I literally sent it out (it was level 65), prayed that I didn't get paraflinched by her Togekiss and setup the Cosmic Powers and Minimizes to win the battle. Pretty gimmicky, yes. I think next time I'll probably cater my team more carefully to the next couple matchups and not speed through the game as fast as I did, but nonetheless it was pretty fun and hilarious to watch all the moves miss or do zero damage if they landed xD.