Shamitako

Hmm, well, level up moveset isn't too large alone, as it's based on Charizard's. Though I suppose some things could get moved around so it doesn't get all the best ones from leveling And that's a good idea, feel free to go ahead

Oh do you? I didn't realize that. I suppose I have seen one then. And that's true, so add Groudon to the still relatively small list of things Ice Punch beats. I can't really think of anything else that would be highly effective on Groudon, so it is very useful for that Still think Rayquaza is a problem, even if not just because of Ice Punch (That's just my top argument)

Exactly. When you're bringing a certain attack or Pokemon just to counter a singular other Pokemon, and the attack is also relatively pointless otherwise, then there's a problem You know, I have yet to see a Dragonite, you'd think someone would be running one. Ice Punch would also help against that. I'd definitely run Ice Punch on at least one Pokemon, even if Rayquaza is banned. Just in case Dragonite starts popping up, and because Dynamic Punch Golurk

A lot more than necessary, probubbly, because Rayquaza and Golurk are the only things I've seen so far that it's effective on

Welp, it's on Saturday, so it would certainly help me. Earlier is better on weekends most of the time

Pfft. You're kidding, right Vinny? Rayquaza is far deadlier than Chatot. Chatot is nearly worthless, though not entirely. It can work, but it has such minor defenses that neutral hits can kill it relatively easily. And it doesn't even really have the Speed to outpace things for confusion, though this tier can be pretty slow

This sounds like me about two months ago... Now it's worse... In both directions I most assuredly hate everyone, but there are certain people that I would be very upset to hurt. At the same time, I'm really frightened I'll find that she's gone and killed them anywhales Reborn mostly gets to see me hating, which is fine, I prefer that. But I still worry sometimes that I'll break again. It's much safer here than the places I'm used to. People aren't so pushy with their opinions (And considering how pushy they still are here...) But there's always the chance we'll go off

A who now? Cowtao?

I update my list as well when I can Voting on Rayquaza sounds good, how are we gonna do it? And you know what Chuckles, you don't have to like it, but that's how it is. Just give it up, no special moves outside of Chatter. The entire tier was made for lolz anywhales, it's not something hyper-serious and you really shouldn't treat it that way

Yeah, that's what I thought. The tier is a Fight Club themed all-physical tier, with Nasty Plot x Chatter as a silly gimmick with no real purpose (though apparently it can work sometimes) I motion that we go ahead and add Acrobatics, it fits with the theme and I don't think it will break anything, the tier isn't as all-fighting as it first seemed I'd also suggest we go ahead and ban Rayquaza? I know that it isn't banned because Ice Punch, but it's also just about the only thing in the tier Ice Punch is needed for (Unless you want to count Chatot XD) Grass and Ground types don't appear much. I'm tired though ATM, so I'm shore there's another type Ice is effective on that I totally forgot and is sorta common. But if there isn't, then having to give up a moveslot to have Ice Punch and counter Rayquaza seems sort of silly. And it's clearly demonstrated it's ability to dominate the tier (Though I have little trouble with it personally)

I'm tired ATM, so just take my welcome and then spam Tempest and Vinny. Oh and siomething about stealing your soul or whatever

Sorry Mikzal, I'm shore it was unintentional Vinneh

I is backed nao I usually wait two or three posts before I come around again, unless someone guesses me And Mael, Y?! Sigh, Tempest

No clue how Chatot ended up in aside from being a gimmick, I wasn't there for that decision. Beyond that, the rule goes to no special moves

Again, Wring Out is special. It doesn't matter if you don't think it should be, it is. The only reason Chatter is allowed is because people wanted a gimmick special attacker. Aside from that, it matters not whether the move legitimately fits, the tier is all physical

Who says she'll be nice enough to go for the throat?

Welcome! If you could keep an I on your soul that'd be great. The hop on over to the PO server and give me holler. I'll be on there as Kyra and I'm always happy to destroyinate welcome new challengers Spam Tempest and Vinny with questions. Discard your sanity and prepare to stay a while. You can also toss your questions my way as I'm always glad to assist those who need it (Just be aware that I rip out beggar's tracheae) As always, have a nice day, get on the server, and be careful where you leave your soul. Vile~

Mkay, that makes sense then I was pretty shore we had Baby-Doll Eyes, and I'm okay with it in or out. I still do kinda feel Megahorn doesn't quite fit, what's the reasoning for that beyond involving tossing?

Seccy actually didn't want Megahorn and only allowed it because it involved tossing and people were pushing for it. Trick is like a magic Trick, using sleight of hand to swap items with an opponent (As shown by the Gen IV animation with the cups) Detect is about watching your opponents movements and predicting so you can brace yourself properly. Nasty Plot is allowed, however it's supposed to be an all physical tier, Chatter is only allowed because only Chatot (And Smeargle I guess) can learn it, and as such it's a gimmick I agree with you on Acrobatics, because it's about moving quickly and acrobatically around your opponent to strike them Baby-Doll eyes isn't allowed? Huh, I thought it was... But if it's not, Glare is a harsher move, as well as Scary face and Leer. Baby-Doll eyes is about acting cute so your opponent doesn't want to hurt you, like Growl (is Growl included, never even thought about it, if it is then it really shouldn't be) Slash and claw moves are indeed different. They require the Pokemon to have claws in the first place. Whereas fang moves only require teeth (Or just hard gums in Avalugg's case XD) If Megahorn is your argument, then I move for its removal (It's bugged me a bit anywhales) I'm also a bit bugged by Fell stinger... Unless that doesn't require an actual stinger? (Lol, bugged by the Bug attacks)

Welcome. If you could keep an I on your soul that'd be great. The hop on over to the PO server and give me a holler. I'll be on there as Kyra and I'm always happy to destroy accept new challengers If you have any questions, spam Tempest and Vinny (who should be here any time now) Or hell, drop me a PM, I'm always willing to assist those that need it As always, have a nice day, get on the server, and be careful where you leave your soul. Vile~

Added you both ^^