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2 hours ago, Xerres said:
I didn't have a choice on killing Ghetsis, because its still a kid's game, and the story must remain light. So killing him or not means nothing, there was never a possibility of doing it, and in a story for a kid's game things will work out fine.
From the perspective of someone actually being forced to live in a city actively under attack by a terrorist organization, the idea of demanding people hold to the ideal of non-lethal opposition is ridiculous. Like you say, Pokemon have replaced ordinary weapons. Pokemon can be deployed with lethal intent. The MC is almost killed by a sneak attack from a Tyranitar. If I approach everything non-lethally, and without the protections of being the main character in a pre-set narrative, then that's admirable. But if the person I tried to take in non-lethally has an extra pokeball with a Hydreigon and that Hydreigon bites my head off while I'm trying to bring them in, then my admirable corpse will be tossed in with the rest of the bodies.
It is a terrorist organization deploying weapons with lethal intent. In ideal circumstances, I agree that non-lethal solutions are best and a peaceful resolution is the greatest possible outcome. But I do not expect people who are being shot at to stick to my ideal principles, and stop their assailants non-lethally. I accept that their life, and the lives of others, have to take precedence over the ideal solution. If you are faced with mass murderers wielding lethal weapons, and you lack the protection of a main character's plot armor, then it is a logical response to act with lethal force of your own to secure your safety.
Ideally if there is a man waving a gun around and threatening people with it, I would still be happiest if they were non-lethally subdued and taken into custody. But if you happen to be a black man in 1950's Alabama and the guy waving a gun is wearing a white hood, I will understand if you shoot them first. Extreme example, but Team Meteor is trying to massacre a city of people, and if you weren't the MC then you'd just be another of their victims aboard that train.Didn't stop him from trying to kill you and all of this is almost entirely from a out of universe perspective with no regard at all to the setting and it's history. The whole thing of you're only alive because main character is entirely divorced from the context of the story, or do you seriously think the good characters of Reborn would suddenly not try to intervene when they did before just because the person about to killed in front of them isn't "special." Heck realistically a person's ability to train pokemon is due solely to their ability and compassion for their pets, not some special main character status and you're forgetting said weapons are not tools but living creatures. To be blunt you killing grunts right and left does nothing to improve your chances of survival or taking them down, by doing so all you've changed is the reluctant grunts are now fully motivated as they try to avenge their friends, just another cog in this vicious cycle.
By this logic you shouldn't even try the non lethal solution at all because you're not special, well guess what? Cops don't have that special main character status in real life and the conditions they are called into are not always ideal but they are expected to disarm the criminal, with lethal intent being a last resort and is heavily scrutinized. Not even trying under that reasoning is not logical, its moral cowardice and in that case seriously why are you even playing at being a vigilante in this scenario? If the risks of your own death are indeed far too big for you and you already survived one attack, why bother personally chasing Meteor down to their base? This reasoning also isn't why Titania kills the grunts, heck she is fully honest about how they weren't really a threat to her.
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17 hours ago, Xerres said:
Until they surrender, until they stop presenting an active threat to the lives of everyone in Reborn City, meeting them with lethal force is the most logical way to defend yourself and others. Because until it affects them personally, none of them have shown themselves willing to stop. Taka's the most sympathetic by far, but he still has more blood on his hands than Titania or Saphira, and for him it wasn't to save anyone but himself.
Ghestisis actively tried to kill the player and is one of the darkest canon villains, yet the player did not kill him in return. Pokemon trainers hold at max 6 pokemon, powerful creatures capable of mass destruction that have made personal weapons obsolete, it is literally child's play in the Pokemon universe to disarm your opponent and force them to surrender. Lethal force was never a logical or necessary option.
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On 3/20/2022 at 2:14 PM, Green Bean 501 said:
I'm pretty sure Reborn isn't being made with Rejuvenation's plot in mind, but I trust that the devs will figure out a way to make them compatible. Worst case scenario is that some of Reborn's sidequests might have to be considered "non canon" to Rejuvenation's timeline
Its not just the plot but the very setting itself thats different. As I have stated elsewhere, unlike Rejuvenation which is more a melting pot of the games, anime (which is wildly different from the games) and its own fully unique lore, Reborn so far has held itself true the games' canon and has tried to keep its additions with it in mind. While a version of the Reborn region and its characters can exist in Rejuvenation, it can't be the original due to this.
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I was going to offer to breed a ratls and then give it to you but I forgot Rej doesn't have trading yet. If it helps any I did not get my Gallade from a egg but from the Hidden Lab.
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On 1/25/2022 at 8:56 AM, Eagleby18 said:
Does Reborn actually suck and I’ve been in denial this whole time? I mean yeah the story sucks, I already knew THAT but I always was like “yeah but the game itself is really good… except for that one way-too-long cutscene near the end”. But after seeing this? Does this mean there’s gonna be even more hour long cutscenes in episode 19? Does this mean there will be EVEN LONGER cutscenes?
Personally I never saw that as a issue as I am invested in the game's story and RPGs where this is common are my favorite genre. Its just that the official Pokemon games don't really focus on the characterization and story for the most part unlike most RPGs. (Gen 5 and 7 being the exceptions and get similar complaints but are my favorites out of them) Its not that it sucks because of long cutscenes (which a point of preference than anything else, while you seem to dislike them, I like them) its that its more of a traditional RPG.
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16 hours ago, RocketOSullivan said:
Speaking of that, weird that Sigmund survives a Hyper Beam from Saphira's Dragonite at the Belrose Mansion. It is not a great special attacker but still, a damn Dragonite.
Might be a reference to Lance's dragonite, the Rocket grunt didn't die there either.
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23 hours ago, Mindlack said:
As far as I remember, El’s diary makes no mention of Lin at all, neither is El specific about Solaris’s methods.
I don’t recall Taka or Sirius giving any sort of time frame for Lin’s arrival, nor that they say that Solaris was some sort of softie that wouldn’t go for ruthless action against the city before they showed him it worked.
On the other hand, I think Cal’s dialogue when he mentions Terra suggests that Lin is a relatively new addition to the team.El's diary is the evidence for Solaris' parents dieing and him not wanting the job originally.
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21 hours ago, Mindlack said:
Do we have some evidence of that? I don’t think it’s consistent for Lin to let herself be “officially” subordinate when she’s the one actually calling the shots. Moreover, Team Meteor is a decade old at least and engineered the meltdown of its economy (with the earthquakes, Yureyu, etc). These weren’t peaceful methods and I doubt that Lin was in charge then.
Yes, you have Sirus' dialogue, Taka's dialogue, and El's diary from the top of my head.
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20 hours ago, Monochrome_Complex said:
"cleanse" the city
Which happened after Lin joined, you have to remember that originally for the longest time she was just the unofficial leader, her actually getting the position is fairly recent. Solaris' fall, like with most well written villains, was a slow fade. Originally there was no Team Meteor, it was his family protecting the keys, a job Solaris did not take seriously and wanted out of. Only when his parents were brutally murdered for the keys does he fully commit to the job, which leads to Team Meteor being created, their peaceful protests not working at all and to Lin and their new goals.
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20 hours ago, Vulnona said:
I'm really not sure whether Eclipse's fate is worse than actual death. Since Eclipse is physically unharmed and seemed to suffer no pain, I kinda feel it's less severe than being impaled in the gut by a ghost sword.
Also... maybe it's just false hope, but Chandelure's dex entry says "the spirits burned up in its ominous flame lose their way and wander this world forever". Since you can encounter spirits in the void, maybe there is hope for Eclipse. Maybe as a post-game sidequest or something. I really appreciate that death - so far - has been permanent and therefore meaningful in Reborn (though it breaks my heart in one particular case), but the fact that we can see Eclipse in Calcenon seems to set up a possible return.
Should that actually happen, it would make Sirius' action a tad less permanent, though still as morally deplorable as right now.
Ah I did not know that, as since I don't normally pursue pokemon I don't intend to use the last time I saw Chandelure's dex entry was in the original White which was,
"Being consumed in Chandelure's flame burns up the spirit, leaving the body behind. "
Which implies the soul's destruction and made me dislike the pokemon even more. (As a litwick was feeding off its own trainer) Thanks for the info!
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From what I am recall (forgive its been awhile) Team Meteor's activities were not evil at all and more civil, just trying to get people leave the area in order to protect Arceus. Once Lin came along that changed for the worse as her methods were seen as necessary since they got actual results and then it was further warped from protecting Arceus to using it to make a "better" world. However, even that goal is a lie, in reality Lin is no different from Cyrus.
Sirus on the other hand murdered some people before he joined Team Meteor for the very keys Solaris was supposed to protect, became Lin's right hand man and erased Eclipse from existence.
While I do find Sirus to be more evil as Lin hasn't erased someone from existence yet, there is no denying she is the one most responsible for everything wrong that goes on in the game, because as Sirus notes Solaris, having lost his Team to a usurper, is the only one still on Team Meteor who cares about the old world. (I presume El does too but he isn't technically a member)
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On 1/1/2022 at 4:13 AM, nguyengiangoc said:
IT'S 100% PEOPLE!!!!!
Omg finally!!!!!!!
Nice! We're almost to the finish line now.
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On 12/17/2021 at 12:06 PM, wcv said:
People always have a choice. And there is no indication that it was different for her. Eclipse has some half-hearted justifications she makes before Sirius attacks her, but they're barely justifications at all. She says that Lin made them more brutal, but even so talks about how even before that they were going to "cleanse" (yeah, wonder what that's code for), the city. And by her own admission did not care until someone she actually gave a damn about was in danger.
Just following orders is not a defense.
People are not black and white, they are not born fundamentally good nor evil. Sure she did go along with Lin despite acknowledging she inverted the entire team's purpose and turned them into murders instead of protectors out of a warped desire to save her father and not get killed off. However, before her end she had started to acknowledge what she did and atone. She was not beyond redemption. Regardless, no one deserves to be destroyed so completely they cease to exist.
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On 12/13/2021 at 11:07 AM, Evi Crystal said:
The poor thing only wanted to save her father, but got her soul burned. It still gets me everytime
I hope we'll find a way to bring her back to a body through a ritual or something. I'm on board guys
Same, making her deader than dead is why despise Sirius more than Lin. (though Lin still has my ire) It'd take a utter miracle to bring her back as there is nothing left for Arceus or Jirachi to resurrect. (That may not matter for Arceus hopefully being Pokemon's version of God and all) Maybe Dialga or Celebi can do something but that would change the timeline.
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18 hours ago, Q-Jei said:
Plot twist! Lin has the saddest backstory of all the Reborn characters!
Proceeds to go full Dimitri vs Randolph from FE3H on her.
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22 hours ago, RoySolare said:
Using a Ditto with Imposter Ability sure makes El a member of Elite Four.
I expect instead of that it will you its ability to cheat Arceus into his team.
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On 11/17/2021 at 9:44 AM, Dark Eclipse said:
Yes, but I have a theory that Taka dies in both routes. See, he could have been meant to die all long, and it just will be delayed.
That would defeat the purpose of getting anyone to do the Zeckrom route though.
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On 10/2/2021 at 1:30 PM, wcv said:
Without Taka and people like him those people would never have been in danger in the first place.
OK lets grant that wish. Without Taka's and his family someone would be able grab Arceus more easily for their own ends, (as their role used to be guardians, till Lin twisted the goal to be the complete opposite) Taka's interference wouldn't have happened so the player and other people would most likely be dead, Lin would still be around and still be able to form Team Meteor as we know them today some other way, as she doesn't really need the family, she just used them for their insight and connections, Sirius would rise to power earlier, the volcano would go off without a hitch and Blake would be successful in his schemes because no Cal, Eclipse wouldn't be there to stop PULSE Clawlitzer, Luna wouldn't exist and thus the void would be a permanent prison and Evelynn and Lumina wouldn't exist, which would be the only potential positive as there is a chance there would be no PULSE pokemon. (forcing Lin to rely on the megas or gigamaxing)
I think that covers everything
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On 10/1/2021 at 2:02 AM, Lorane said:
I want taka to just....come back. I will bawl my eyes out if he doesn't
If you choose the path of Ideals he never dies.
On 10/1/2021 at 12:15 PM, wcv said:Taka is a willing member of a terrorist organization that has killed at minimum hundreds, and probably well into the thousands of people. You know the people in Jasper and Beryl who died? Taka killed them. Oh he might have whined about it, or felt bad, but he did it. He activated the machine that killed them all. What's more, But its worse than that, since he knows what he's doing is wrong, and doesn't care enough to stop until he's forced to.
Cal meanwhile literally murders Kiki's Medicham in front of her. Oh, but he totes sabotaged the machine that was going to blow up the volcano. Despite there being no reason to think that he would know how to do that, or did it competently. He also couldn't be bothered to warn anyone in case something went wrong. He's definitely a better person than Taka is, or at least less guilty (and does have the decency to turn on Team Meteor of his own accord unlike a certain Chatot wielding person), but that doesn't absolve him of anything.
For Taka you have to remember that said organization wasn't originally a group of terrorists it was twisted into that by Lin. Also Taka didn't just feel bad or whine about it, he acted as a mole where he actively helps the player many times. You forcing him to reveal himself isn't a change of heart, he was already working against them from the inside, its a betrayal of trust that gets him killed. Without Taka's interference more people would've been killed.
Just because you don't think he should know how to sabotage the machine doesn't have the knowledge and afterward he was repentant and helps against Blake.
Things aren't black and white.
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On 9/18/2021 at 10:54 PM, wcv said:
Pulse Arceus is one of those talked about by either Eve or Lumi when she's discussing what all of the remaining Pulse's were and why they were developed.
That might be why the heroes win in the end then. Though I am surprised that Lin wouldn't think of it considering she has very similar goals to Cyrus.
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17 hours ago, kithas said:
A Gauntlet with PULSE Camerupt, PULSE Hypno, PULSE Mime, PULSE Clawitzer and PULSE Arceus in a row, yeah
I doubt there will be a PULSE Arceus, as Cyrus from DPP notes legendaires lose a lot of power by tech interference. If Arceus is captured I'm expecting a red chain variant.
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On 8/7/2021 at 5:32 PM, TRCallum said:
What if the idea is to cycle in some Pokémon that weren’t in the previous games and cycle out some that were in those games?
So it wouldn’t be a National Dex, persay, but you just get slightly different groups of moms for each generation going forward.
That doesn't really address the problem though, while sure there are some people want to catch them all, the main reason people feel so strongly about the National Dex is that every pokemon is someone's favorite.
On 8/8/2021 at 11:06 AM, Gastronely said:I really hope they just take the Gen 7 approach. Don't include a national dex, but PLEASE make every pokemon available
Sad to say but the National Dex is the name for all pokemon being included, I would gladly take no pokedex entries as a compromise but thats not going to happen.
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I was holding out hope they would fix this mistake in the DP remakes but it seems this horrible policy is continuing from now on. As part of my fun is playing with my favorite pokemon, I will no longer be buying their games for the most part and sticking to fan games. (with the only exception being main series games that have all my 6) Couple this with Lets GO! and the multiple other problems with SH, it seems GF doesn't care anymore.
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I really appreciate the hard work done to make the full game better, the gen 8 pokemon which I wouldn't have experienced otherwise and the new crests. You guys did a excellent job.
The Last, Only, and Very Final X% Hype Thread
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Just want say this before this is locked. Thank you Reborn team for this great game and to other members that helped me out with the game through the years, be it supplying a guide to a tricky puzzle or getting a certain pokemon. Its been a fun ride!