Swimming95

To be honest, I am of the opinion that more tiers are always better... Also, it seems like this vote is mostly for which will be the default tier for laddering as I was probably going to add it regardless as a separate tier

The way this would work in terms of coding: There would have to be TWO SEPARATE SETS of tiers. Whichever becomes "default" for ladders is then the default of the server (think back to that inverted tier bug). It doesn't matter which is used for tournaments as we don't enforce clauses (and I won't code that / its not easy to code). But it will be annoying for users to have to switch tiers for the tournaments. There is no way to have one tier and only sometimes enforce the clause for the ladder. Let me know if you have any questions about this

As far as having it optional goes, this is for the default on the ladder... whether we want to add another set of tiers to encompass the other is a different point that I can add once the voting is done. Either way, this is a vote for LADDER ONLY. We have never enforced clauses for tournaments and its up to the combatants to agree on them. That being said, I absolutely hate wifi clause and feel like it takes out a lot of the strategy and can make your opponents easier to predict. But as I said in the last thread, I know that is just my opinion and I don't ladder anymore so this doesn't really affect me much

Meh, as I said, its just my preference and will obviously back adding it as a tier for laddering. My thought process on the predicting is that its still possible with no preview. Its just a lot harder as instead of knowing the 5 possibilities of the switch, you have 717 (well, obviously not that many but you get the gist)... Again, just my opinion on it I am always of the camp: more tiers are better and agree that it can be a good ladder tier.

Personally, I absolutely hate wifi clause and feel it takes out a lot of the skill. Its definitely just my preference that I would rather not know the other person's team and be able to surprise them and have them surprise me with switches. I also don't ladder this gen so if the majority want it, I can definitely add a set of tiers with it for the ladder.

I can confirm that I lost

I fucked up really badly and it took me too long to counter sableye... sorry for the dishonor

Can we one day have a sunday tourny? I am more likely able to go to those

LC is always a fun tier to metagame for

WOO I cant make it but happy to see things I coded in action

woo, new nation name

I vote for zip for leader >.>

I totally didn't pay anyone off >.> I do like our typing a lot though

Woo, water

Complex bans mean that I have to spend a bit of time and script in the ban... THINK OF THE SWIMMING95 (SAY NO TO BANNING) I also can't update the poll as I am not a forum mod, someone else needs to do so. I guess those options seem good?

As much as I really really don't think either should be banned... if we do have to go down that route, lets list the options. Please let me know if there is any complex ban I am forgetting. SWAGGER: 1) Ban Swagger 2) Ban Swagger + Prankster 3) Ban Klefki+Swagger+Prankser 4) Don't ban Swagger? BP: 1) Ban BP 2) Ban more than 3 Pokemon with BP 3) Ban more than 3 Pokemon with BP and a Magic Bounce User 4) Ban more than X Pokemon with BP (X to be filled in by a different number that the community agrees on) 5) Don't ban BP? The use of this post is for when the next poll is made so we are all on the same page as to what needs to be voted on

I would also see reason for that... my guess is that if these pass, we should open up a few votes on how exactly they should be banned as there are certainly many many ways a BP ban would go

I also agree that Swagger should not be banned. Yes it does lead to some "hax" but it can make the match go both ways as said before and in absolutely no way can a coin flip be equivalent to a guaranteed win. Infiltrator can definitely help get around substitutes and there are plenty of common pokemon that run infiltrator (chandy and noivern) that can SE (in some regard) against the common prankster/swaggerers (sableye and klefki). I also do not think BP should be banned. I definitely like the idea of the setup lead as stated before and good stall teams also do a pretty good job of countering BP. Also as a weird counter... wouldn't a quagsire or a clefable with unaware do wonders against BP? At the very least, a simple ban (ie banning of the move) would be absolutely terrible. I would somewhat understand doing a complex ban (ie no more than x BPers or no more than x BPers and you can't use this move... etc). I feel like it is unreasonable to state that one type of team is more superior to other types of teams.

I am so hyped

I predict Fezz

Can I get the ace member, all of the league ones up until the 5th block, comments through 250? All of this can be seen easily from my post. I can get you screenshots of a lot of other stuff later

Noted, I will update it when I get a chance.

Sounds like fun. can you change the color of the text of the achievements to not be black? I can't read them at all