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  1. I was hyped about it and was enjoying it on the first two/three episodes. The comedy was good and I liked what the show was doing. Me liking or disliking it has nothing to do with other people's opinions on it, if that's how you see it. The comedy just turned to shit, because it got so repetitive and boring. And there's little in the show that makes up for that decrease in quality. 1: You are assuming a show has no limits to how good in can be rated as, because you're not setting that limit. I am basing the fact that it is overrated on networks where the users rate it from 1 to 10 on how "good" the show is to them. Afterwards, you proceed to compare the average rating it gets with other shows' average ratings. When a show is overrated/underrated it means it has an abnormal rating comparing to other shows' ratings, often due to a large increase in popularity. Said increase in popularity results in an overly subjective fanbase most of the times, especially if the first few episodes are engaging and have high production value. Attack on Titan is overrated. Sword Art Online is overrated. One Punch Man is overrated. The term doesn't necessarily imply they are bad, but just not as good as they seem to be, before being watched. If you're going to keep insisting on that shitty logic to try to prove nothing can be "overrated" then drop it, 'cause it's just irrelevant on this specific argument and is leading to nowhere. 2: No, those aren't the standards I am using, though it seems you want me to use them. You yourself said I couldn't use those standards to judge a show like One Punch Man, which I agreed with and decided to express how the show failed in meeting the standards it set: being stupid-funny and entertaining. So now you're forcing me to use those standards again just to prove your point? Man, that's just pure arrogance lol. "Not finding it funny/finding it funny" are both highly subjective. Up until now I have explained how the comedy isn't well done objectively, because simply spouting "i like it" or "i don't like it" results in nothing. I explained why I don't like it and how I would've found it funny if it had been executed properly, whilst you chose to ignore anything objective about it and instead went with your personal opinion. Also, pls re-read my post. I said Shimoneta is original when comparing it to the shows it parodies. Even if exaggerated, the ecchi humor isn't always different, though that's besides the point. A parody is always original when comparing it to the shows it attempts to parody. A well done parody, that is. 3: I'm not dismissing them, after all it is due to them that the show is overrated. When you say those type of statements are hyperbolic you're taking away all of their importance. Acknowledging the statements as hyperbolic means that they are far from reality and are not actually true. Really, I don't know how to put this in better words so that you can understand me, so I'll just use an example: Person A: "OPM is the best anime ever" Person B: "That is an hyperbolic statement" Meaning OPM is far from the best anime ever. Aren't you just confirming that the show is overrated in the end? man, this shit is one of my favorite things to have come out in the most recent years. such a good shounen with an engaging story. even the ecchi humor is relatively different from what you're used to. it only gets better and better as you go through it, especially during the second half. and there's also going to be a new season in 2016, in case you end up liking this one.
  2. And you call the current ratings reasonable? Man, according to that logic, I could even make the shittiest most overrated shows seem good, no matter how "bad" they actually were. I dropped the character development/story arguments long ago, given that was your main complaint. I am rating it based on the comedy, which is repetitive and poorly executed, despite people praising it to be godlike. And a parody is original exactly because it's a different take on a classic genre. It pokes fun at the over-used tropes on said genre rather than having a serious story. That makes it original if you compare it side by side with other shows of that same genre. Otherwise, say, Shimoneta wouldn't be original when comparing it to Ergo Proxy, Psycho-Pass or Shinsekai Yori, which is clearly false lol. The show being overrated has nothing to do with how the media uses/sees the terms. It is based on what the fans say. Whether the statement is hyperbolic or not is subjective. For a fanboy with little experience, saying "best of ___" wouldn't even be an overstatement, it would just be the truth to them. And when you consider said statements to be of "hyperbolic nature" you're only further proving my point, which is that the show isn't as good as it's being made out to be. It isn't even close to living up to the hype the media/fans set.
  3. That's exactly the point I made and why I said it's overrated. The show is average because it uses the comedy as a focus and has nothing else to offer. Even if the comedy is original and different, it's just so repetitive and poorly executed that I find it impossible to laugh at the same thing for a full anime cour. The shows I used to compare have average, if not below average comedy as well, and because they don't focus on it and have other significant traits, they provide more enjoyment. What I said has nothing to do with whether the character cast is good, bad or original. In fact, I mentioned how most of the times originality is irrelevant and has little effect on how good a show is. I was trying to understand exactly how those characters introduce any good comedy at all, as you said they do, when the comedy is still the same in terms of structure. And again, by good comedy I mean this. Also, please stop complaining about my comparisons just because the genres are different. When using the moe/horror one, I am in no way linking One Punch Man to the actual shows, but merely trying to exemplify how originality can be a good or a bad thing, or even have no effect at all on the outcome. According to your logic, it would be almost impossible to compare any anime at all, especially One Punch Man since there isn't anything similar to it out there. And if you can't compare One Punch Man, you can't label it as best anime of _____ . When I make comparisons, I connect the similarities between the shows and how one does good and the other doesn't, and the first thing you do before even looking into them is bitch about the differences when they have nothing to do with what I was saying. And going back to my initial statement. Disprove this. Explain why you think a show which people call "best anime of the season" or "of the year" or "ever", while shitting on pretty much everything else currently airing or that aired recently isn't overrated. You're not allowed to answer with "because it's worth the hype", in which case I can just mention 3 shows this season that are worth as much if not more hype. You're also not allowed to say "because the humor is good", as that is nothing but an opinion. To me, the humor is average structurally and relies entirely on being "different". Calling that sort of humor good would be like calling comedy anime shorts and shitty sitcoms like the big bang theory god-like.
  4. I'm not complaining about it not being dramatic. For a show to be good and enjoyable it has to be well written and even comedies can be well written without being serious in any way. Writing has nothing to do with a show being dramatic or super serious, if that's how you think about it. Care to explain exactly how do the new characters introduce any variety in the comedy? - Ninja guy: punched in the balls and rekt by Saitama. I bet they will make him Saitama's main punching bag who gets destroyed whenever on screen, despite always being so cocky. No variety here. - Tornado green haired chick: she has gotten almost no screen time so far and I'm already expecting some sort of tsun/thugdere personality towards Saitama, to contrast with all the other heroes who look down on him. Or the author could be even more stupid once again, and have her look down on him and praise Genos, like everyone else does. - Old-ish guy who was having a chat with Genos before Saitama showed up to save the day: so far his character is not original since I have seen this role being played many times before, but that doesn't mean much right now. He is probably the only character so far that's interesting enough. I have many different expectations from him, so I won't develop on this one too much. - Every other villain/hero: Irrelevant, as they all act the same way, meaning there's even less variety in the "comedy" here, if you can even call that shit comedy at this point. If by variety you meant the heroes/villains all have original/distinguishable character designs, super powers and whatnot, then that's just standard shounen traits. It doesn't contribute to the comedy in any way and you'll come across it on almost any shounen, no matter how good or bad it is. You almost make it seem like this isn't a hard thing, but it's more the opposite. It's like saying "the only way you can't enjoy ecchi is if you're not into fanservice". How can you actually find such a badly written comedy funny? It is no different from standard ecchi/harem/comedy or action/comedy/shounen shows, structurally. The only thing special or unique about it is the different take on super heroes, everything else is the same: repetitive and shitty, because the author can't come up with good jokes other than the initial one. Imagine super hero parodies were actually an entire genre much like ecchi/harems, as if there were at least three per season that sold relatively well, regardless of the writing. Now think about the most common tropes and how those shows would try to handle the diversity in the genre, the comedy and whatnot. You know what a "good" comedy would be like? Something that can surprise the viewer with an even funnier moment every single episode, rather than relying on the same shit for an entire cour. And a good parody of super heroes would do much more than what One Punch Man does, but that's besides the point. If you're going to say something like "but super hero parodies aren't a common thing like ecchi/harems which makes one punch man original and thus good", this rule doesn't apply to just ecchi/harems. Take a look at other original twists to genres that are now turning into genres themselves, like cute things/moe with psychological/horror. Higurashi and Madoka, which were some of the first ones doing this are good regardless of the time they air at, even if the latter relied too much on shitty shock factor to be enjoyable. That is, except if Madoka aired after something like YuYuYu, as it would be seen as a rip-off when the real rip-off is the latter. But those situations aside, a show would still be good because of how well written it was, rather than how original it was. So even if things like Gakkougurashi or Selector aired in past ages they would still be garbage, as the writing wouldn't change. These two examples only rely on the shock factor and contrast between two different genres to be good, failing pretty much everywhere else. On the other hand, things like Higurashi manage to explore their world and the twist to the genre well, making good use of the shock factor and not failing in the writing. Good writing equals to enjoyment. Whenever I'm not enjoying a genre I'm into, that means there is likely something wrong with the writing. In the case of One Punch Man, originality does not equal to variety in the comedy, because, as you can see, the comedy is the same throughout the entire show and it is still an original anime. In the end, it just relies too much on the comedy to be good. And the comedy isn't good, so no surprise the outcome isn't good. There are many shows that have comedy mixed into them that isn't necessarily great. In fact, the average anime with comedic relief, such as Noragami or No Game No Life, has almost the same quality in the comedy as One Punch Man, despite being pretty different. But now imagine you took almost every other story element from those two shows and were only left with that comedy. You think that shit would be funny or enjoyable? Even if it was a parody or if it was original? Fuck no. If you want a show that relies entirely on comedy to be enjoyable you have to do the comedy right. Even episodic comedies with no actual story like Nichibros and Plastic Nee-san do it right. One Punch Man does not, for the reasons I have already stated.
  5. i wanna start gintama so bad but every time i try, i just think 200+ episodes and go bleh. ive already seen the first two episodes and found them pretty enjoyable, and from what i've heard, it's only supposed to get "good" at 50+.
  6. The humor isn't good. At first it was cool and I was enjoying it, but at this point they're just repeating the same old shitty joke of Saitama being a hero for fun, underrated and crazy overpowered every single episode. Every now and then, there is some relatively good comedy, such as when the ninja dude got hit in the balls, but even those are connected in some way with the show's pretentious way of being a "different" take on the classic super heroes genre. Every single time they're going to throw a joke at me I already know what's going to happen. Man, how do you even expect someone to laugh at the same joke for a full anime cour lol. That said, the show doesn't know how to become a proper parody. All it is doing is relying on the same shitty joke it came up with, rather than developing it or exploring the super heroes genre. Looking at other parodies, let's say Shimoneta (which parodies the entire genre of dystopian societies), the show starts with a stupid premise and exaggerated ecchi humor, which is pretty funny at the beginning due to being so different, and, as the show proceeds, said humor and stupidity only go crazier and crazier, making it surprising and highly enjoyable. I will admit that at certain points the sex jokes got so old only a 7th grader would laugh at them, but overall, the show still managed to have some variety in the humor and a little character development to make up for the lack of an actual story. Furthermore, certain details, such as the usage of censorship that contradicts the entire point the anime is trying to make only further remind you of how the show is stupid and ridiculous, acknowledges it and proceeds to make fun of itself. Now if you take a look at other (actual good) comedies, rather than just parodies, such as Nichibros, you can tell the show's humor at least has some sort of variety. Despite having a repetitive structure, it still manages to have unique gags every episode, which can often have me laughing for 5 minutes straight, depending on how good/unique the humor is. I know One Punch Man and Nichibros are different types of comedy (i.e. one aims to parody of a certain genre, while the other is an episodic comedy that is immensely relate-able and often makes fun of itself as a show), but the latter is still clearly superior because it does not commit One Punch Man's error which is lacking in variety. I will admit that production-wise the show is great. Not the best I've seen, but nonetheless pretty good, which is expected considering it's Madhouse. I haven't read the manga, so I don't know how good the show gets after this, but if it's the same as it is currently, then it really is nothing special. At the end of the day, the entire show's story boils down to super serious heroes/villains who contrast with Saitama's "hero for fun who doesn't care about what standard heroes care about, yet overpowered" character and their respective predictable af character interactions. The serious heroes/villains get surprised upon finding out Saitama's true power. Everyone, except for Genos, looks down on Saitama. He makes stupid and silly faces, which is all that I currently find funny about the show (and a few original comedic moments every now and then). Genos will eventually develop to think the way Saitama does. Saitama's development so far is practically non existent, and all he does is beat anything in his path, shocking everyone near him. Not the audience though. I doubt someone would actually be stupid enough to be surprised at Saitama beating an opponent after watching half a cour of this show. Unless Accelerator somehow teleported to the One Punch Man universe, nope. Finally, this show is currently rated 8.8+ on most networks and fucking 9.6 on imdb. It has a higher rating than certain TV classics which are incomparably better than it. I'm not saying the show is terrible by any means, because even I can enjoy it to some extent and appreciate the good things about it. But it is nowhere near as good as you're making it out to be. That said, One Punch Man is just a new Attack on Titan/Sword Art Online, but more like the former: just over-hyped, not bad. And it is not anime of the year or of the season for me. Iron-Blooded Orphans is better imo, and if you wanna look at the entire year, I can name at least 10 shows that did better than One Punch Man.
  7. one punch man is overrated *runs away*
  8. dat shrine scene. my feels.
  9. kill la kill only proves my point though. no one took it seriously at first and then it turned out fucking awesome. by episode 6-8 of the series you were practically used to it.
  10. ecchi doesn't even matter as long as it doesn't interfere with the writing and your attention span isn't somewhat weak. you could have every character in a relatively good show naked and, while the show would be worse for adding unnecessary fan service, it would still be better than asterisk by a long shot. this is obviously an exaggeration though, 'cause I doubt anyone would take a show where every character is naked seriously lol.
  11. rakudai does not fail in the writing as much as gakusen does. the only cliche you could really complain about regarding the former is the fact that sometimes, stella is nothing but a tsundere. but even then, she feels like a different tsundere when it comes to handling her feelings. rakudai's romance is also actually good and doesnt make you fall asleep like gakusen's does. the character interactions are also better on the former. neither of them are funny, despite trying pretty hard, but at least rakudai does something different, whilst gakusen does not. everything about gakusen toshi asterisk is just predictable. nothing special is going to happen. if you were to hand the show as it is to 10000 different people and tell them to finish writing it, there would surely be many different outcomes, but there would still be one outcome that would be the most common comparing to all. that outcome would be the anime/light novel series as it is. the show starts off with cliche characters and does nothing to try to make the writing seem good over the time. instead, it sticks with its shitty cliches and an extremely poor story. just another "let's see how many dere characters I can fit on this show" type of harem. characters are all one-dimensional and there's no way to connect to them. the personalities and character interactions have all been done before. shit, even the protagonists' back stories are all ripped off from other shows. on rakudai, the only anime that really comes to mind for having similar characters/story is mahouka, and even then, they're pretty different shows on their own. all they are is similar, rather than a complete rip-off.
  12. tell me one thing about asterisk that hasn't been done at least 10 times before in anime. I don't know about you, but i wasn't able to find that thing.
  13. there's already an opening/ending thread if you wanna share that. and i agree, man with a mission's songs are all freaking great.
  14. most of the problems i had with the first season were only "problems" because it didn't have a sequel. for starters, i hated yukine. i could barely relate to him or like him at all, despite everything he went through. seeing how he has changed on the second season though, has made me like him much more. i found it really easy to relate to him and understand his development. though hot-headed sometimes, he isn't the same bratty asshole he was on the first half of the first season, which is good. the other thing is that yato, bishamon and kazuma all had extremely vague pasts, which made it hard for me to even understand them. i like yato a lot just for the comedic relief and how awesome he is in general, but that was about it. after going through their backstories though, i eventually started to connect to even more. so far, the second season is doing a great job in exploring the rules that were set regarding the master and their regalia. every character has a motive you can understand too, even if some of them are a bit vague. other than that, my only real issue has to be hiyori. she was fine in the beginning of the series, but other than providing comedic relief (something every character contributes to in one way or another), she's just a damsel in distress most of the times. and the romance that the show tries to hint is pretty unnecessary, given how predictable it is. all in all, i personally enjoy the comedic relief moments to some extent, and i usually tend to dislike that sort of thing, especially on average shounens. i find it really easy to understand the character conflicts and every single fight scene/dramatic moment so far has been done so well i can't help but feel hype. i can understand how some people find this just a slightly above average shounen series, though.
  15. noragami aragoto is still the one at the top of the season for me. it's amazing how this show manages to blend in out of context comedy, good action, hype, drama and immense character development so well. the episodes only keep getting better and better. in general, it's a huge quality increase from the first season, which was already nice imo.
  16. id go with the second one, im sure there's many other people in the forum who would like to share their favorite anime osts.
  17. the volcarona/bug one looks pretty cool
  18. rakudai has even more onii-sama though. and better onii-sama. mm incest seriously though, the show is pretty much ecchi/harem bait at first, but then there's actual good romance. and there was this one scene in episode 3 that was just pure epicness. minor spoilers ahead, but watching this will probably convince you to keep up with rakudai. im liking heavy object a lot more now too, but damn that cgi is just so freaking bad. im not even exaggerating, it almost makes me want to not watch it, and i usually dont mind bad animation in anime. the sea looks like yogurt or some kind of gooey substance. just look at how they're animated ascending from the water on the first few seconds LOL the explosions and fire are also pretty shitty. jc staff is obviously saving up for index/railgun sequels. other than that, it's entertaining. the protagonist has a surprising amount of badass moments and as i watch it i just want to see them succeed. you even get used to the fan service pretty easily.
  19. i personally found asterisk to be boring. i guarantee you won't find anything special or different about that anime, it's just another ecchi/harem troupe mash-up with an unoriginal supernatural powers system. rakudai, on the other hand, is pretty nice. i just hope ikki doesn't end up like a tatsuya aka anime jesus. at least he doesn't feel like a robot or one-dimensional, and the romance is also pretty good imo.
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