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Rock Smash isn't going to do squat. By the team you get enough defense drops for it to matter, you'll have died 10 times or so. On that happy note, welcome to Reborn

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We're assuming Darkrai is just gonna sit there and sacrifice itself after Blaziken gets +1 Speed? There are 5 other Pokemon on a team, just saying.

Pretty, neat, though I'd imagine they'd be able to KO Machamp in that time frame, considering they'll definitely focus him on turn 2 after they see him Mimic Sheer Cold. Considering you're using this in Doubles/Triples at least.

[Milftank] [Miltank] (M/F) @ [Life Orb] Trait: [Scrappy] EVs: [252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP] [Nature] Adamant/Jolly - Double Edge/Return - Earthquake - Milk Drink - Ice Punch/Fire Punch/Zen Headbutt [When people look at Miltank, they see a slow wall that will heal all day and Toxic stall you, or maybe Curse. However, Miltank has a surprising 100 base speed, and a decent attack stat to work with. While the attack stat is usable, it is still far from desirable, so a Life Orb is used, and Adamant can be used as well, though Jolly is also possible. Thanks to its Scrappy ability, Miltank's STAB of choice will hit ghosts, making it quite a force. Rock and Steel, the remaining two types to resist it ccan be dealth with via Earthquake. Milk Drink help mitigate the Life Orb damage, and any other minor damage you rack up. However, remember that you are not using a tanky set, and that you should avoid taking any overly powerful attacks. For the final moveslot, a coverage move is used. Fire Punch is more effective against Ferrothorn, and hits Skarm. Ice Punch can go nicely with a Jolly nature, tying or exceeding most speed unboosted Dragon types. However, should you choose to use Miltank in a lower tier, in which it is more viable then Ice Punch and Fire Punch are less useful, and Zen Headbutt it a good move to hit those pesky Fighting types. However, a x2 Zen Headbutt is weaker than a neutral STAB Double Edge, and it has less accuracy, although it has a chance to flinch. ]

[Corsola is Corsola] [Corsola] (M/F) @ [Leftovers] Trait: [Regenerator/Natural Cure] EVs: [252 HP/252 Defense/4 SpDef] [Nature] Bold - Scald - Ice Beam - Toxic - Stealth Rock/Confuse Ray [Corsola has always been a sort of oddity, lurking in the nether regions of NU. It has poor stats, a fairly average movepool, and pretty "meh" typing. Its abilities are somewhat redeeming; Natural Cure is an excellent ability, and its new Dream World toy Regenerator is quite solid as well. Hustle on the underhand, leaves much to be desired with its lack of physical offensive prowess. Another inconvenience for Corsola is that its use of Stealth Rock is incompatible with Regenerator. Scald is a nice STAB to work with, though its not particular powerful. Your main source of damage will be Toxic, or Ice Beam against Pokemon weak to it. The EVs are physicall defensive; I find it rather counter productive to EV for Special Defense only to be OHKOed by commonly Special grass moves. However, you can go special defensive. As mentioned before, Regenerator is incompatible with Stealth Rock, however if your team doesn't need it Confuse Ray is a decent annoyance move. Of course, Natural Cure is still a fine ability.]

[I GOT GUTS] [Heracross] (M/F) @ [Flame Orb/Toxic Orb/Life Orb] Trait: [Guts] EVs: [252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP] [Nature] Jolly - Close Combat - Megahorn - Stone Edge/Rock Slide - Earthquake [Guts is a powerful ability, granting power equivalent to a Choice Band. However, it only takes effect when one is statused, and it's not very useful when frozen(if asleep, you can at least use Sleep Talk). Regardless, it does nullify the burn attack reduction, though not the damage. For this set, I would recommend you use one of the orbs, granting a free status. I can't really say one is better than the other, it depends on the situation. Burn is better for staying in for a prolonged period, as Toxic will build up damage over time. However, I recommend Toxic nonetheless, as at 2 turns it is superior, equal at 3, and worse at 4. As your speed is not exceptional, it is quite likely a counter will come in after a turn or two, forcing you to switch. In summary, you should be more of a hit and run Pokemon, sweeps will be very, very rare. Life Orb is also an option if you think you can consistently switch in on a status move, however it will drain your HP extremely quickly if you are burned or poisoned, also one mispredcition can screw you over. The damage is definitely worth it if you can pull it off, however it is quite a risky strategy. Close Combat and Megahorn are the best STAB moves Heracross has, X-Scissor has been omitted as the lack of power is a serious turn off for a Pokemon that needs to do maximum damage. However, for your rock move Rock Slide is possible, as it is more for coverage and not a STAB move you will consistently rely out. Earthquake is a fairly obvious move that rounds out the moves. EVs are pretty self explanatory, with all the attack you have Jolly is pretty much a must to compensate for your speed.]

[quote name='Zen' timestamp='1318008546' post='19650'] Standard Swift Swim qwilfish on my teams. Qwilfish (M) @ Black Sludge Trait: Swift Swim EVs: 255 Atk / 76 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Waterfall - Poison Jab - Explosion - Destiny Bond In rain, that's fast enough to pull Destiny Bond on most targets. High attack makes it damn near impossible to survive any of its STAB attacks if they're super effective, barring obscenely high defenses or nullifying abilities. [/quote] EVs... does not compute... [Anti-Lead] [Qwilfish] (M/F) @ [Focus Sash] Trait: [Intimidate] EVs: [252 Atk/252 Speed/4 HP] [Nature] Jolly - Spikes - Taunt - Toxic Spikes/Aqua Jet/Waterfall/Destiny Bond - Toxic Spikes/Aqua Jet/Waterfall/Destiny Bond [Qwilfish has primarily been used as a rain sweeper, however, it actually has a nice set of moves that can be used as a lead. Spikes are a rare, but extremely powerful hazard which Qwilfish gains access to, it i sone of the focuses of the set. Taunt is an exceptional move for a lead, shutting down opposing set up moves. Afterwards, there are a few options. If you're scared of a faster Taunt, you have offensive moves; Waterfall is stronger but Aqua Jet is priority. Both are fine for offensive options. Toxic Spikes is another potent hazards; however one Poison Pokemon can destroy your hard work. If you're running a stall-heavy team, it is well worth the risk however. Finally, Destiny Bond is a decent move in conujnction with your sash; however it relies on the element of surprise. Of course, you can also play mind games if you use it, but are not KOed that turn. Of course, Destiny Bond is fairly mediocre against faster leads. The EVs are simple, Maximum speed, and we don't really need bulk, so attack is fine. Though you can run the set with no attacking moves, I heavily recommend you use one.] anyways

I'd say ban all of them(the fully evolved moody users) until there's a way to ban the ability individually, but it's not exactly up to me to decide xd

Well, Moody kinda fails without leftovers for healing. Sooo, idk, Bidoof argument is kinda invalid :I

Quite a bit of suspects @_@

[Choice Band] [Sudowoodo] (M/F) @ [Choice Band] Trait: [Sturdy/Rock Head] EVs: [252 HP/252 Atk/4 Speed] [Nature] Adamant - Stone Edge - Sucker Punch - Earthquake - Wood Hammer/Explosion [Sudowoodo's most appealing traits are its high defense and solid attack, with a decent movepool. However, its special stats as well as speed are quite dismal, and its HP is lacking as well. This Sudowoodo is somewhat of an expendable attacker, having high power however being slow, and being quite vulnerable to special attacks. Sucker Punch can put quite a dent in frail ghost and psychic types, though you must have proper prediction. Also, being choice locked into Sucker Punch is quite dangerous. Stone Edge is a powerful STAB move, complemented by Earthquake. In your final slot, Wood Hammer can be used for better coverage, or Explosion to go out with a bang. If you wish, Sturdy may be switched to Rock Head if you use Wood Hammer.

Pretty cool, but watdo if Blissey taunted D:

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Warning: huge wall of text. I have no life. I noticed some of these Pokemon didn't have a description in the Tier Changes thread(description, argument, call it what you like). So... yeah. In any case, because I'm really bored right now, arguments,, for both those changes i agree and disagree with: Currently in Ubers: Deoxys-S: Do we really need a "run Deoxys-S or run Prankster lead" event? This thing's really fucking ridiculous, with a surpisingly good attacking movepool, the obivous speed, hazards, taunt, and actually isn't as paper thin as people think. Currently in OU: Bronzong: Bronzong is actually pretty damn strong. Sure Explosion was its most powerful offense but Bronzong is still incredibly tanky with great utility and can do some heavy damage Darmanitan: Yup, it's honestly not gonna sweep anything. Stealth Rock weakness, unphenomenal defenses, BL is fine. Keldeo: This thing hurts. A lot. With Calm Mind it can do heavy damage to pretty much any OU Pokemon, it has great speed, and decent defenses. Did I mention it really hurts? Meloetta: Pretty underwhelming. Will get destroyed time and time again in OU. I considered voting for UU, but it's still sketchy, so BL is fine. Mew: Yeah, it's good but not great stats really hurt it. BL you go. Starmie: LO Starmie actually is still incredibly powerful; Specs even more, Rapid Spin is obviously really good. It can even run scarf well. This thing is simplyreally stronk. Suicune: Kinda scared of what it could do in BL, but I suppose with such pokemon as Darmanitan, we need good walls. Swampert: Swampert just isn't that great. One strong grass move will kill it instantly; and it's still slow. I think UU is fine. Victini: It's admittedly pretty meh. But letting this 180 base power(before STAB!) shit in UU isn't gonna cut it. BL works. Weavile: It's not really that powerful. But I still think it would be too good in UU. Either way, BL seems where it belongs. Currently in BL: Celebi: Celebi's great versatility earns this IMO, it has so many sets that it can run so effectively. While not OU material,it can function quite well with a skilled user. Crobat: True dat, being fast isn't enough. It belongs in UU IMO. Jolteon: Sand teams devour it. Rain teams will pick it apart if they realize its scarfed. RestDration actually has little practical competitive use, and if it finds some, np with Jolteon beating it. Scarf Jolteon will also get dominated by Kingdra or Ludicolo, being unable to OHKO either by a long shot. Plus, most +1 DD Kingdras outspeed it anyways. Ludicolo: I love mexican pineapples, but yeah, with Drizzle stuck in OU it's fine to move this down. Mandibuzz: If there is ever a Pokemon that has been grossly overhyped, it's Mandibuzz. Having a Stealth Rock weakness, no efficent counter to Toxic, and a huge sign that says "Taunt me plox". I'm sorry but this deserves no place in OU. Roserade: Agreed; its below spectacular speed regulate it below BL. Scrafty: This guy is OP as fuck. Good riddance from my BL. Togekiss: It's speed is surprisingly average. Scarf sets are easy to wall. Either way,it relies on flinches at one point or another, and SR weakness is more important than some peoplemay think. Currently in UU: Archeops: I'd honestly like to contest this. Only Stealth Rock exists. Yes, it is that big of a factor. Azumarill: This thing hits like a fucking pony(that is to say, keldeo).Actually, I'd argue Choice Band Aqua jet is pretty huge, especially with prediction. Sap Sipper is a gimmick inferior to Huge Power anyways. Braviary: Why dis in UU? Ehhh it's ok. But I don't see it dominating LU or anything. Electivire: Back in 4th Gen, post-hype people realized Electivire actually doesn't actually destroy everything, because super effective =/= kill. Also, it's bulk is nothing special. Houndoom: Es bro. But bro not good enough for UU. :c Lapras: haha. Moltres: I has no weak! ohwait Registeel: Curse Registeel da best. seriously this thing is stronk Sawsbuck: I've seen worse.Obv vulpix matters. But this thing is honestly not great. Seismitoed: Cool frog bro. Slowking: Eh, physical vs special actually matters a lot. But I guess it couldn't hurt. Steelix: High defense must ban. Right? /sarcasm. Stoutland: hahaha. hahaha. It's not that OP, despite what one would think I think. It pretty much fails out of sand. Even in sand it's not really gonna sweep except very rarely. Once again, assuming both playersin any one game have competent teams. Venusaur: Please, get this out of the tier. Vulpix? Remember when people used to manually set up sun? Please no venusaur D: Virizion: Really OP pony. Hurts and tanks like a boss. Move up of course. Currently in LU: Absol: *coughAmefetishcough*? Anyways, it hurts but prediction still beats it and it's pretty frail. Crawdaunt: Even with 1 DD it's speed is far from the top; scarfers completely check it. Exeggutor: Kinda on the fence; its speed is pretty poor. But I guess better safe than sorry. Hariyama: Not on list of tier changes? Or maybe i have bad eyes Anyways, it hurts a lot. And some decent tankyness. I think it's fine. Honchkrow: Geokrow too good. Honestly, it does tons of damage and is generally too good for LU. Leafeon: Its movepool really is terrible. I don't know. I guess UU works. Liepard: Completely luck reliant. I'm not sure. I don't think it's that powerful. It's just really luck reliant. Kinda like Moody, only won't sweep, and less powerful in general. Primeape: Primerape #1... of NU. Agreed. Qwilfish: Like mentioned, not as good without Drizzle. Hazards lead is good, but balanced. Rampardos: Idk, trick room is pretty tempting. I guess we'll just have to see. Regice: It's nice. But it's still not that fantastic. Some powerful fighting moves will tear it apart. Also, super bulky sacrifices offensive potential. Regigas: haha. WTF is a regigigas? not a viable pokemon above NU, that's for sure Relicanth: good defense, good. poor typing, bad. poor speed, bad. Sigilyph: AHHHH. broken as fuck. idk if deserve BL though. well see Throh: it's actually pretty bulky and has some punch. plus it can phaze. just my 2 cents Vanilluxe: Agreed, NU is where it belongs. Weezing: Yeah it's annoying. But annoying isn't enough. I highly, highly doubt anyone's gonna pull a SkarmBriss stall or anything on you with this. Quite manageable. Currently in NU: Basculin: Really weak. Less than desirable movepool, even for LU. I think it should stay. Butterfree: hahaha. 1. Stealth Rock. 2. Anyone should know how much I support Sleep Clause. i hope thats nuff said. Cinccino: Cute, yes. Op, no. Deserves to be in NU, no. Too good. Combusken: You just mentioned why it's bad. Poor movepool, Eviolite denies surprise and better items, and without it you're really fragile. Oh, and it's stats are pretty poor compared to fully evolveds. Cottonee: The Health argument works until you get wrecked without a sub. Oh yeah, grass types exist.. Try hurricaning with a Cottonee plox. Cryogonal: *watches opponent poke Cryogonal with Tackle* *cries as it faints* Even with reflect, its defense is piss poor. its offense is nothing sweeper worthy. NU is fine. Electrode: Too fast in the NU environment. Good offense for NU. Go up plox. Fraxure: Now this is a real NFE. Unlike shit like Combusken it can actually do more than just Eviolite and be weak, though its still an option. Good poke is good. Golduck: Actually pretty powerful. It can even go mixed w/ cross chop. May not sweeper tier, but definitely too stronk, and who knows, Calm Mind may be sweeper tier. Gurdurr: No Lefties. No Life Orb. No surprises. If you go with a surprise set you just destroyed his viablitiy for a one shot deal. He's just not that good. Jynx: Mixed feelings here. i think the speed + sleep is what makes me give it the LU vote. Machoke: Dynamicpunch is strong yeah. But so are ghost types. And resistance. And counterattacking. I'd say it most definitely deserves a place in NU. Magneton: Eviolite? Gl tanking ground moves. Anti ground item(ex Balloon)? Good luck tanking everything else. Marowak: To be honest, people overestimate him. A lot. his attack looks ridiculous on paper. but he lacks the tools to make use of it. Still, I suppose he can go up to LU. Murkrow: Too strong for NU? yeah. Any higher than LU? That's sketchy. It's kinda in the Liepard vein, it's highly annoying but real risk is low. Still, it's too much of a crutch for NU teams, so into LU you go. Rhydon: Excuse me for saying so, but I think someone really has an NFE fetish << >>(idk who made these suggestions, but yeah) Double x4 weak too bad. Its speed is honestly also a big problem. I remember playing against someone with one of these long ago, it never did anything noteworthy. Pretty much just Rhy(in)ferior. *shot* Tangela: Once again, grass type argument. Sleep Powder is no Spore, that's for sure. Its actual offense is quite weak, if otherwise you lose much needed bulk. Not really a great threat IMO.

actually,^thatset I just posted today, but I edited it into my previous post instead of making a new post. actually, I'm making a new post anyways ^_~ [font=times new roman,times,serif][size=4][Agility] [Lanturn] (M/F) @ [Life Orb] Trait: [Volt Absorb] EVs: [252 SpAtk/252 Speed/4 HP] [Nature] Modest/Timid - Agility - Ice Beam - Hydro Pump - Thunderbolt [Sweeper Lanturn #2!. Anyways, Lanturn's speed is less than stellar, so this set alleviates that with Agility. Even with Timid, some non scarfed Pokemon will outspeed you, so Modest and Timid are both fine choices. In terms of offensive moves, we want the strongest moves around(except Thunderand Blizzard!). Actually, if you use this Lanturn in hail or rain, Thunder or Blizzard can replace their weaker counterparts. In any case, that's why Scald and Discharge aren't used. There's not much else to say, Lanturn is actually pretty powerful; however he can't really take down wallsthat aren't weak to him. Just treat him as any other sweeper; take down any counters/checks they have. Also, if you're truly paranoid about Hydro Pump missing you can use Surf.][/size][/font]

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