Developers Voctrode Posted December 7, 2011 Developers Share Posted December 7, 2011 [quote]So.. first thing's first, thank's Winter for showing us this awesome RMT generator. It's amazing <3 Secondly, the actual introduction. Almost every other team of mine was influenced by some other team, or just copied for lulz. (mostly the weathers, which I don't use cause I hate them >_>) This one, however, was designed by me. Built: by me. And you'd best hope.. not pointed at you. TF2 references aside, let's just get into it~[/quote] [size=4][b][i]At a Glance:[/i][/b][/size] [Quote][img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/620.gif[/img] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/479-W.gif[/img] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/612.gif[/img] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/233.gif[/img] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/196.gif[/img] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/472.gif[/img][/Quote] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/620.gif[/img] @ Life Orb Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Hidden Power [Ice] - Fake Out - Hi Jump Kick - U-turn [Quote]Mienshao has to be my favorite lead ever. He pretty much does 4 things within the team. 1 - He can disrupt and even kill the opposing lead without breaking too much of a sweat. 2 - If the lead is going to use Stealth rock, after the Fake-out, he doesn't have to sacrifice momentum by just switching into Espeon, but can U-turn. 3 - Said U-turn [b]creates[/b] momentum in tandem with Rotom-W 4 - Can constantly come back in, due to regenerator's 33% HP increase, making it much more than simply a lead, and gives it a bit of a gluey property. I've chosen Hidden Power - Ice over Stone Edge simply due to opposing Gliscor, again for the sake of momentum, as well as the fact that I don't want Porygon2 getting poisoned if said Gliscor is carrying Toxic/Fling. Oh, and Hi-Jump Kick is the bossiest move ever. [s]When it doesn't miss[/s].[/Quote] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/479-W.gif[/img]@ Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hydro Pump - Trick - Hidden Power [Ice] - Volt Switch [Quote]It's really hard to make a team without Rotom-W for me anymore, simply because this team showed off his usefulness so well. Despite being a rather fast "sweeper," he also has a list of other great uses. [s]Yay lists[/s]. 1. 107/107 Defenses are nothing to scoff at, and this washing machine is much much bulkier than it appears. 2. It can easily revenge kill certain opponents. 3. Because it can revenge kill them so easily, they have a tendency to switch out, Volt Switch keeps the momentum on my side. 4. Lol Porygon2 get out of here with that Eviolite. :c 5. Gets stains out the [i]first[/i] time! One thing I would consider changing is the Hidden Power type, I dunno, Ice just doesn't seem that effective with the rest of my team.[/quote] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/612.gif[/img] @ Lum Berry Trait: Mold Breaker EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Dance - Outrage - Earthquake - Brick Break [Quote]Haxorus' Nickname on my team is "Intaccare," which literally translated, means "Damage." This is extremely true on both ends. Haxorus is next to the term "Glass Cannon" in the dictionary, because despite having 427 Atk before any ballet is involved, it is really bad at taking a hit. This is mitigated VERY nicely by second Pokémon down from this, and is the reason I would even consider using Haxxy. There isn't that much to explain here, other than the fact that you really want dual screens up before you bring this guy out. If you can, however, Espeon + Haxorus is one of the most common win conditions of this team, but shouldn't be used recklessly. Also, for the love of god, use Rotom-W and Mienshao to scout before you start raging all over the place. Steels don't care how high your attack is, they'll hurt you. (Fun fact, Mold breaker goes through Multiscale <333)[/quote] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/233.gif[/img]@ Eviolite Trait: Trace EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Thunderbolt - Thunder Wave - Ice Beam - Recover [Quote]Ikaru has named Porygon2 "Inuki's Signature Pokemon." And for very good reason, Porygon2 is on nearly all of my teams. Porygon2 can be best described as my panic button. And my "Oh hey, a Dragon" button. Even more fun is when I can Dual Screen and then send out Porygon2. 30 damage from a mach punch, okay! Meanwhile, Boltbeam's for coverage, Thunder Wave over Toxic for trolling and hax purposes, and also to ensure that I will be able to recover off something like a crit, or just a high damage move off life orb. (Using the opponent's life orb to make them kill themself is certainly a fun thing to do.) Porygon2 only has 2 real weaknesses, and those are Toxic and Conkledurr. It really just can't compete with Conkledurr, it's just too strong.[/quote] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/196.gif[/img] @ Light Clay Trait: Magic Bounce EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Reflect - Light Screen - Grass Knot - Psyshock [Quote]Oh I love this little pink ball of troll. Magic Bounce is, and forever will be, Espeon's main selling point. Sending back entry hazards is extremely useful for this team in general, as is sending back status, and completely sending back Whimsicott. Dual Screens are mainly for Haxorus to get off his sweep, but in practicality, nothing is going to mind taking half damage from attacks, plain and simple. I recently changed Hidden Power Fighting to Grass Knot, simply because anything that I would be using HP Fighting on was simply not taking any damage. Now it's not quite as much of a sitting duck, and can get rid of Quagsire, and do a decent amount of damage to Hippowdon, instead of just sending back rocks and then.. nothing. Meanwhile, Psyshock is just cool. Even though Blissey is rather rare now, Magic Bounce still makes Chansey about useless against Espeon.[sup][Citation Needed][/sup][/quote] [img]http://pokebattlecenter.net/Deity/ermt/sprites/472.gif[/img] @ Toxic Orb Trait: Poison Heal EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Toxic - Ice Fang - Earthquake - Protect [Quote]I love Gliscor for one reason.. well multiple reasons really, but mostly for one reason. He destroys Excadrill if it doesn't have +4. To elaborate on that, he practically destroys complete sand teams once all of their Hidden Power - Icers / Ice Beamers are gone. Meanwhile, Toxic Orb healing plays a double role in making Gliscor an effective switch-in to something that wants to use status to hurt you. (I'm looking at you Breloom.) Of course don't do that BEFORE you're toxic'd, but it's nice being immune to statuses. Ice Fang is just.. good. I can't really say what for, but.. again Breloom, I'm looking at you. Half the time, Ice Fang is either used for Dragons, or to pop Excadrill's Balloon. Then EQEQEQEQEQEQEQ. (loljk it only takes 1 to kill it, usually.) Using Toxic instead of Fling is a preference due to having Ice fang, but I just like this one better because it can, if needed, toxic stall more than one Pokémon. (And you don't get fucked as hard if they switch in a steel type.)[/quote] [spoiler]Mienshao (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Hidden Power [Ice] - Fake Out - Hi Jump Kick - U-turn Rotom-W @ Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Hydro Pump - Trick - Hidden Power [Ice] - Volt Switch Haxorus (M) @ Lum Berry Trait: Mold Breaker EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Dragon Dance - Outrage - Earthquake - Brick Break Porygon2 @ Eviolite Trait: Trace EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Thunderbolt - Thunder Wave - Ice Beam - Recover Espeon (F) @ Light Clay Trait: Magic Bounce EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Reflect - Light Screen - Grass Knot - Psyshock Gliscor (F) @ Toxic Orb Trait: Poison Heal EVs: 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spd Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk) - Toxic - Ice Fang - Earthquake - Protect[/spoiler] [b]Threats:[/b] [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/051.png[/img]Dugtrio- Dugtio's a threat? Well.. 2 of my Pokemon fly, 2 of my pokemon couldn't care less about physical attacks, 1 shouldn't be out without reflects anyway, and that leaves Espeon and Mienshao. Mienshao can live through and EQ and kick it to death, or U-turn out into Rotom-W for tons of momentum! Dugtrio would also likely try to Sucker punch Espeon, so Reflect > Grass Knot [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/065.png[/img]Alakazam- I haven't had much fighting with Zam lately, but it's extremely annoying. All I can really do is hope that Focus Blast misses Porygon2, to paralyse it. Also enough chipping away with Rotom-W can fix it. Gliscor can do a little bit too seeing as it lives with about 13% left. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/423.png[/img]Gastrodon- Toxic Stall or Grass Knot. (Likely grass knot cause lol HP Ice?) [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/251.png[/img]Celebi- U-turn, Ice Fang, Ice Beam. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/462.png[/img]Magnezone- They always carry HP Ice, so usually attack it with Rotom-W first before going into Gliscor to EQ it. I have no steel for it to trap, though. So that's handy. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/195.png[/img]Quagsire- Grass Knot / Toxic Stall [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/232.png[/img]Donphan- KYIK. Or Porygon2 in general. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/135.png[/img]Jolteon- Porygon2 Switch in to take Volt Absorb. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/080.png[/img]Slowbro- U-turn into Volt Switch into U-turn << >> Also if I can toxic it, that'd be pretty great. Also trick Choice Scarf to it if needed. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/145.png[/img]Zapdos- Ew ew ew. Zapdos is hard. I'd probably try to get a Light Screen up and then.. well then it doesn't matter a whole lot I wouldn't think. Toxic stall, again, would be decent too, but dat HP Ice. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/460.png[/img]Abomasnow- KYIK. Seeing as Abomasnow are always leads anyway. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/381.png[/img]Latios- Porygon2 and Rotom-W to an extent. Light Screen in general. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/530.png[/img]Excadrill- Gliscor [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/534.png[/img]Conkeldurr- Gliscor, Espeon to an extent. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/635.png[/img]Hydreigon-Porygon2 and KYIK. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/637.png[/img]Volcarona- DO NOT LET IT SET UP. Rotom-W as FAST AS YOU CAN. And hope to god that you got to bounce back rocks. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/639.png[/img]Terrakion- Gliscor, Rotom-W and Espeon [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/645.png[/img]Landorus- Porygon2 and Gliscor if there's no HP Ice (Which is common, so I'd normally go to Porygon2 [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/609.png[/img]Chandelure- Depends on who gets revenge killed by it, cause it's practically inevitable. I can deal with it pretty simply, but... all depends on what it does and who it kills. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/612.png[/img]Haxorus- Gliscor, Rotom-W, KYIK, Porygon2 to the extreme [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/640.png[/img]Virizion- I'm not sure. I've never fought one but.. KYIK, Toxic Stall, Espeon, and Porygon2 would probably be my best bet. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/560.png[/img]Scrafty- KYIK. Toxic Stall too but watch out for Ice Punch. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/579.png[/img]Reuniclus- Trick a Choice Scarf, U-turn shenanigans, Haxorus in general. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/494.png[/img]Victini- Gliscor and Rotom-W [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/620.png[/img]Mienshao- Espeon if it wins the speed tie, or if Mienshao has HP - Ice. Gliscor if it doesn't. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/555.png[/img]Darmanitan- Gliscor, Rotom-W, Porygon2 [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/647.png[/img]Keldeo- Espeon and Porygon2 [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/649.png[/img]Genesect- Rotom-W and, if it's scarfed and didn't use Ice Beam, send in Gliscor for Momentum. Also Espeon for the same reason if needed. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/641.png[/img]Tornadus- Porygon2, Rotom-W [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/380.png[/img]Latias- Same as Latios really. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/373.png[/img]Salamence- lolPorygon2 [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/091.png[/img]Cloyster- Best Case Scenario is having one of my switchers out. If so, U-turn or Volt Switch into Porygon2. If not, Pory2 on the smash and paralyse it. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/186.png[/img]Politoed- KYIK, predictive toxic stall, Light Screen [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/003.png[/img]Venusaur- Magic Bounce Sleep Powder, Ice Fang, let something be put to sleep and then Porygon2 [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/038.png[/img]Ninetails- KYIK. Gliscor, Espeon, Porygon2. Not really a problem. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/454.png[/img]Toxicroak- Espeon and Volt Switch shenanigans. Trick if I'm desperate. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/286.png[/img]Breloom- Espeon Espeon and more Espeon. Gliscor too, if it's already been out and is sufficiently intoxicated. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/132.png[/img]Ditto- Depends very highly on what it copied. Just look at the threat lists, and then give them a scarf. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/212.png[/img]Scizor- Gliscor and Rotom-W [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/272.png[/img]Ludicolo- Espeon, pray to Light Screen. I really dislike Ludicolo. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/376.png[/img]Metagross- These exist? EQ, Rotom-W, KYIK, Porygon2 stalling. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/392.png[/img]Infernape- Rotom-W, Gliscor, Sorta Porygon2 [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/485.png[/img]Heatran- Rotom-W, Porygon2, KYIK. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/149.png[/img]Dragonite- Haxorus totally. Also Porygon2 lolol [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/385.png[/img]Jirachi- Rotom-W or Porygon2. Also Gliscor if it's previously poisoned. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/479-wash.png[/img]Rotom-W- Rotom-W Volt Switch shenanigans, or Gliscor. Or both! depending on if it's scarfed or not. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/130.png[/img]Gyarados- Porygon2 and Volt Switch [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/245.png[/img]Suicune- Rotom-W, KYIK [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/141.png[/img]Kabutops- Porygon2 [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/248.png[/img]Tyranitar- [b][i][u]KYIK[/u][/i][/b], Rotom-W / Gliscor depending on the moveset. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/472.png[/img]Gliscor- Porygon2, Mienshao, Rotom-W, and my own Gliscor. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/242.png[/img]Blissey- Anything with a Psysical move >_> [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/437.png[/img]Bronzong- KYIK, Trick, Haxorus. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/113.png[/img]Chansey- Same with Blissey only slightly less so. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/386-speed.png[/img]Deoxys-s- Uber here so it doesn't matter. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/196.png[/img]Espeon- Rotom-W, Haxorus can set up pretty decently. Lol Brick Break. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/598.png[/img]Ferrothorn- Haxorus Set-up, Trick, KYIK, Espeon [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/205.png[/img]Forretress- Dual Screen Set-up, sorta KYIK, sorta Rotom-W. Mostly Espeon. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/368.png[/img]Gorebyss- Rotom-W before it passes oh god. If it does pass then.. yeah, I dunno. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/450.png[/img]Hippowdon- Rotom-W, Gliscor, Espeon. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/593.png[/img]Jellicent- Espeon, Rotom-W sorta, Haxorus Sorta, everything sorta. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/151.png[/img]Mew- U-turn, Gliscor, Espeon Set-up because it just passes to things. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/233.png[/img]Porygon2- KILL IT WITH KYIK or sacrifice gliscor to toxic it cause.. I use it for a reason << >> [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/227.png[/img]Skarmory- KYIKKKKK and Rotom-W. Porygon2 too but eh. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/073.png[/img]Tentacruel- Espeon, Gliscor, Haxorus [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/134.png[/img]Vaporeon- Kill. It. With. Anything. You. Can. Kill. It. With. Normally a KYIK or a trick with Rotom-W [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/547.png[/img]Whimsicott- lol Espeon. U-turn / Volt Swtich Shenanigans. [img]http://media.pldh.net/pokecons/302.png[/img]Sableye- TROLOLOL. Espeon though, or Haxorus if desperate measures are needed cause Lum berry. [Quote]It's very possible that I missed some things I could do in the threat list, cause.. well, I'm a derp, what can I say. Hope you enjoyed it, and.. please, criticism isn't only tolerated but extremely helpful! I might make this a little prettier in the future, I dunno, but thanks again, Winter, for showing us the RMT maker. So useful <3[/Quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developers Voctrode Posted December 7, 2011 Author Developers Share Posted December 7, 2011 Gliscor's a super wally pokemon for the team, Toxic + Protect can take down things a bit better than some of my other options. Additionally, I dislike Swords Dancing just to be forced out by whatever Ice attacker comes in after I kill, or just the switch in in general, and would rather give a lasting effect than a short lived boost that, in my opinion, isn't very necessary. Thanks, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-Pokemon Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 [b]Threats:[/b] [i]Overview: I like to look at a team "At A Glance" and name threats that I see your team has, and then, I try to change sets, change Pokemon around to best work around threats you have. So, lets see what threats you have![/i] [b]Non-Weather:[/b] 1.) [b]Scrotom [Combo: Scizor/Rotom-W]: [/b]This combonation can destroy just about everything, considering Scizor runs the superpower. The best thing you have for it is Rotom-W itself, but Rotom-W commonly run [b]HP [Grass]. [/b]So, there isn't much you can do, so its a big problem. [b][Note: This is also run in rain][/b] 2.) [b]Latios: [/b]Well, it can out speed and proceed to sweep everything here. What do you have for it, Porygon2? The problem I see is that you run a P2/Gliscor wall core. P2 can't resist ice/water or anything, its a deadweight. Anyways, Latios can sweep just about everything, and can trick your P2. [b]Weather Threats:[/b] [b][i]Rain:[/i][/b] 1.) [b]Tornadus: [/b]Its Hurricane, Focus Blast, and Grass Knot with specs set can sweep your entire team [OHKO everything]. You helpless against it. 2.) [b]Raikou: [/b]Thunder/HP [Ice]/Aura Sphere/Extreme Speed. Yeah, this set can take you on as well, unless you depend on Haxorus gaining a +1-2 everytime, as its the only offensive threat for any of these threats. I can name more, but I think I have an idea of what I need to do, [b]Your Weakest Links:[/b] [b]1.) Porygon2:[/b] Its supposed to be a wall that can work alongside with Gliscor, yet, it can't do its job properly. [b]2.) Mienshao: [/b]This thing really isn't doing anything for your team, as there ar beter leads out there. [size=5][b]The Rate:[/b][/size] [size=5][size=3][b][size=4]Mienshao: [/size][/b][/size][/size] [b][size=5][size=3][size=4]Overview: [/size][/size][/size][/b][size=5][size=3][size=4]What is it doing for your team? Fake Out? Protect is so common on Pokemon like Politoed and Ninetails, and even Heatran, when ran defensive. All of a sudden, your fake out does shit. Now how is it useful? It gives you [b]NO HAZARDS [/b]and on top of that, a move that hits you for 50% if it should miss. This lead has problems with just about everything except for Tyranitar. On top of that, it has no type synergy with Rotom-W, go with Scizor if you want U-Turn momentum *sigh*. Espeon is needed, but remember not every lead has hazards. Take Politoed for example, so will you switch into Espeon, or U-turn to Rotom-W? Politoed used toxic! The following turn it protects and can scout whether your lokced into V-Switch, or H-Pump. The switch into Gastrodon [or any common ground type like Swampert, or Quagsire] on V-Switch, and it can release more toxic while you switch. I really don't see how it helps you, Ninetails can protect, and can proceed to use Fire Blast, in sun, while Rotom-W barely lives with a little under half left. It can tank the Hydro in sun, and KO Rotom. So, all in all, its a T-Tar counter -.- [/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Suggestion: [/b] [b]Lead with Rotom-W[/b] instead? Just swap places with Mienshao, and Rotom-W leads better. It hits sun/sand/rain all hard. Also, [b]switch Meinshao for Scizor[/b]! Better synergy, and all in all, can deal with everything better. It benefits from opponents rain, and, priority is much appreciated for scarfers like Terrakion and sweepers like Tornadus.[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Sets: [/b][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]Scizor @ Iron Plate[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]Nature: [+SDef, - SpA][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]EV'S: 212 Hp/44 Atk/252 SDef[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]~ Roost[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]~ Swords Dance[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]~ Bullet Punch ~ Bug Bite[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Rotom-W[/b][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Overview: [/b][i]Remember to switch it to your lead slot. [/i]Rotom-W needs [b]HP [Grass] over HP [Ice] [/b]for Gastrodons that switch in on it when it leads. Its a good set, but, you might want to also test out a [b]Defensive Rotom-W [/b]for lead, although the set you run is generally better with Scizor. [/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Suggestion: [/b][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]HP [Grass] over HP [Ice][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Porygon2[/b][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Overview: [/b]PANIC! OMFG, IT HAS SUCH BAD WALL SYNERGY WITH GLISCOR! WHERE IS YOUR SEPCIAL WALL?! You can't take any special hits for shit. So, what will work well with Gliscor you ask? I know:[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Suggestion: [/b]Why are you not using Ferrothorn? The only weakness is fire, in which, Haxorus and Rotom-W resist. Ferrothorn can set up SR [EVERY FUCKING TEAM NEEDS STEALTH ROCKS!] It can troll way better than P2, even to the extent of providing Thunder Wave.[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Set: [/b][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]Ferrothorn @ Leftovers/Rocky Helmet[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]Nature: Sassy[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]EV'S: 252 Hp/168 SDef/88 Def[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]~ Stealth Rock[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]~ Leech Seed[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]~ Thunder wave[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4]~ Power Whip[/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Espeon[/b][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b]Overview: [i]Calm Mind over Light Screen[/i][/b][/size][/size][/size] [size=5][size=3][size=4][b][i]Final Rate: Overall, its a solid team. Try to retain on making a team solely for coutnering Sand teams, as it can't do shit to other teams XD[/i][/b][/size][/size][/size] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developers Voctrode Posted January 4, 2012 Author Developers Share Posted January 4, 2012 Okay so you're probably never coming back here. From what I've seen, I agree with one thing and disagree with the rest. HP Grass over HP Ice is a good idea, and I'll change it.. now pretty much. Now for the things I disagree with. Normally I'd be totally happy with your suggestion with Scizor over Mienshao, but then while playing I realized, "Holy shit Mienshao's amazing." This team isn't named "Timing is Everything" just cause it sounds nice, Mienshao's failing at Fake out can be easily turned into a good thing by switching based on what they did to make it fail. Them protecting as you say is common is, again, a good thing. If they don't, they're either stupid or running a choice set, and this to me is good information to get. I completely agree with your priority point, but Hi Jump Kick, even though it has nasty consequences if it misses (like the protect that my fake out was "wasted" on) dents so many things that it simply cannot be disregarded. Also! Jumping down a bit, you say that every team needs hazards. Well.. why? When you have something with magic bounce and 2 U-turners (both which are quite fast,) the game will, 90% of the time, be stealth on both, stealth on them, or no stealth at all, as it's rare somebody kills Espeon before getting their ever-so-precious rocks out anyway. Gonna pop into Espeon/Porygon2 next. You ask me where my special wall is, and then you say get rid of Light Screen. ..uh what. You also shouldn't ask Porygon2 where my special wall is right into his face, it makes him sad. Just because he has full investment in Def and HP instead of the standard 76 in Sp def (which I may change,) 374 HP and 340 Special defense makes me wonder exactly why you think he needs resistance to ice/water or why you think he isn't a good special wall, even though physical is his main suit. Also! Though the type synergy isn't the best it could be, Gliscor and Porygon2 can still be friends, and are quite good friends. (They've having tea next sunday as a matter of fact.) Porygon2 hates trick, right? I doubt anybody wants to have a Toxic orb tricked to them. And on the toxic note, guess who really really hates being hit by Toxic? And guess who loves it? I'll admit it may not be the best, but I'd sooner change gliscor than porygon2. (Also Specs Tornadus has a 0% chance to OHKO Pory2 with Focus Blast.) ..Hm, I thought I had more. Regardless, I do like your suggestion on HP type, and it's true that I get really really fucked in rain unless I play extremely smart (and I may do a bit better in an environment where DrizzleSwim isn't legal,) and thanks for taking the time to give a more in depth rate. I do use Scizor/Rotom in some teams, and hell I love Ferrothorn (though I only use him in stally teams,) so I hope you don't think I'm being all "pfft, noob doesn't know what he's doing, suggesting scizor, ugh," cause I'm not. ...Now I wonder why I did all this when I realize you probably won't even read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-Pokemon Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I do read it, Anyways, I said to get rid of screen because of Ferro acting as a special wall. I understand you like meinshao, but, weather is all around common and especially in SS + Drizzle enviorment priority is really nice. HI Jump Kick can get sponged by protect, and I understand it helps scout the opponent, but overall, its not worth being weaker to weather, as overall, it can only counter sand efficently. Although, tbh, most leads are kind of obvious, the one thing though is that Poli runs different sets and Fake Out on a offensive set would work. Hazards are needed on every team because of this reason: Dragonite/Volcarona are deadly. Most teams that run them run rapid spin support, and no SR. So, if you have no rocks, then they can send them in freely. On top of that, stall teams hate taking SR damage every time they switch, and really helps with rain stall. Rotom-W and Scizor can all around do more for your team, however, I see that you like mienshao so, at least do me a favor and try them both out and see which one yu perfer. I notice you love P2 as a mixed wall, and I didn't realize it can wall Tornadus, but its still a bit, how do I put this, a deadweight to your team. I respect your choices, and wish you luck ~ Freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developers Voctrode Posted January 4, 2012 Author Developers Share Posted January 4, 2012 Oh I know all about the Volcarona terribility when the opponent decides to not run rocks and use it, but why I asked why I need it is simply because hazards seems super redundant with Magic bounce sending them back so much. They always seems to just become dead when I use them in tandem with Espeon. I will try out Scizor though, seeing as I have that exact set in my PO boxes somewhere, so not as if it's difficult, and again, thanks for the in-depth rate =p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phazer Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I thought Magnezones carry hp fire because of revenge killing Scizors, Skarmories, and whatnot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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